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How Do Girls Find Appartments To Live/work From?

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Ok,this might look like a punter being excessively nosey - but I will try to explain.

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And let me appologise if this forum is the wrong place to ask for advice on behalf of a working girl.

I have visited a particular foreign working girl half a dozen times,and have just come to realise what her circumstances are.

She speaks next to no English,but I spoke to a friend of hers (her only friend in this country) last time I saw her,and now understand that she is in a bad position,and I would be willing to help her if it is possible.

She needs to leave the place where she is staying,and would like to rent a flat/appartment in Bristol, Oxford,or somewhere near to those places

Being foreign,new to the country and given her job,she can provide no references from landlords or employers,and has no checkable credit history.

How on earth is she to find a place to live (and maybe work from) ?

I suggested seperate living/working addresses would be much safer - what do the ladies on here think?

The only options I could think of are

1. I rent somewhere for her.

This is pretty much out of the question - I am Married and could not risk any post/phonecalls comming to my house.

Furthermore,If she did work from the flat - would I be seen as her pimp with my name on the lease?

2. Some landlords will rent without references if you pay 6 months rent in advance.

I see this as a possibility.It is done for foreign students.She could get the money together - maybe.

But she is very worried that if things went wrong,she would get thrown out and lose all the money.

Obviously this is not such a danger if she is not working from the flat.But then she also needs to find a place to work from.

3. She finds a landlord who knows what she is doing and is ok with it.

But how would she ever find such a person?

I am sure it takes girls years to make the contacts to find such landlords they can trust.

And such valuable information would probably be closely gaurded and not readily shared.

Does anyone have advice?

I would very much like to help her in some way,but don't know how.

I am new to the forum,so may be viewed with some suspicion.That is quite understandable.If anyone would like to talk privately with me,I will try to convince them of my genuineness.

Hope someone has some ideas!

Thanks. (oops! I almost signed off with my real name!!!)

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Run.

1) Don't put anything in your name.

2) If she is legal she will be able to work and save.

3) Landlords don't advertise for WG's, one just takes a chance of being found out and being told to leave with loss of deposit.

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It might be wise for her to just rent a room or a bedsit for a short period of time, as usually, the criteria is lax i.e. no references, just a payable deposit. Then she can build up her credit and after say six months, then she can rent her own place.

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I am sorry to be blunt to you Sir, but her and her working arrangements should be of no concern to you at all.

Stay out of it.

You have met a lady just 6 times who you can not even talk to in English.

You are married, and yet you want to get involved like this.

A very unwise move on your part to even think about helping her to sort such stuff out.

Lucy :)

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Lucy, bluntness is no problem.

I dont think I an interfering - I was asked (through her friend) if I could help.

I feel the least I can do,if someone asks me for help is give it serious consideration.And that is what I am now doing.

I think you reaction is probably what most sane people would say.

I would not do anything that I considered a risk to my own circumstances,but I feel for the girl who is in a bad situation largely due to other people.

Its a crazy place to put myself,i know.

Any practical help rather than life advice?

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I dont think I an interfering - I was asked (through her friend) if I could help.

Any practical help rather than life advice?

Not from me then, I only reply in a realist way to what I read, take is as life advice or what ever you wish to tag it as.

Why would her "friend" ask a stranger to help her "friend", she can help her if she wants to.

You are just a punter, a paying client, a paying friend then.

Wise up Sir.

Lucy :)

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Not from me then, I only reply in a realist way to what I read, take is as life advice or what ever you wish to tag it as.

Why would her "friend" ask a stranger to help her "friend", she can help her if she wants to.

You are just a punter, a paying client, a paying friend then.

Wise up Sir.

Lucy :)

I am sorry if my last comment sounded sarcastic.

Her 'friend' has done an awful lot to help her. This is not the place to to tell a very long storey.And I have been told it from three different sides now.

I appreciate your 'blunt' advice - honestly! It has not gone unheard.

:)

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Have you reviewed her? A review is the most you can do to help her make enough to sort herself out.

How she arranges her housing / working arrangements depends on her attitude to risk.

Now, yesterday I was called an illiterate by one charitable poster, so I am not brain of Britain. Why would 2 women pick themselves up & move to a Country where they know nobody and do not speak the language, without a plan? It sounds like a hustle.

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I know you're not interested in people telling you this sounds like a bad idea. I guess she will have to do what most people do when they need somewhere to live and rent a flat at the income level she can afford, obviously including deposit and a months rent in advance. As you say without references (does she not have any from her home country, or get one from the place she is currently staying?) she will probably have to pay more rent in advance, I'm sure there are reputable landlords who will do this, maybe you can help her find one by researching for her? None of us know your area so maybe you need to do more specific research. Indeed why can her friend not do this, or indeed help find something for her? There are places which can advise- local council, citizens advice, local charities for immigrants etc.

Most WGs on here are British, or at least fluent in English, have had/have careers, families and support networks, I doubt they have any first hand experience of this kind of situation other than hearing about cons and scams so rife in this game. However I hope someone can give you more practical advice and that you don't hand over any hard cash. Your kindness is warming, but you will find much cynicism here and for good reason.

What do they think you can do to help?

Your kindness is well meant I know, but if not hard cash they want from you what is it?

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Oh apart from anything else, however does she think she can operate as a working girl if she can't understand English? How will she market herself, take bookings and interact with clients? All seems very odd if there is noone behind her in all this...

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Why not look at it this way . You have seen her now maybe about six times . She may think that is enough times to have you on the line. She brings her friend in to help to convince you she needs help. Financial help . You are getting interested, you want to go on seeing her......

Do take care . :(

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Ok,this might look like a punter being excessively nosey - but I will try to explain.

.

And let me appologise if this forum is the wrong place to ask for advice on behalf of a working girl.

I have visited a particular foreign working girl half a dozen times,and have just come to realise what her circumstances are.

She speaks next to no English,but I spoke to a friend of hers (her only friend in this country) last time I saw her,and now understand that she is in a bad position,and I would be willing to help her if it is possible.

She needs to leave the place where she is staying,and would like to rent a flat/appartment in Bristol, Oxford,or somewhere near to those places

Being foreign,new to the country and given her job,she can provide no references from landlords or employers,and has no checkable credit history.

How on earth is she to find a place to live (and maybe work from) ?

I suggested seperate living/working addresses would be much safer - what do the ladies on here think?

There are a couple of threads on here already...renting a flat...how do I find somewhere to rent? "www.saafe.info" may give advice. The economics of the business are such that few girls can afford to have separate work/private accommodation. Most foreign girls work for someone who provides the infrastructure/marketing for a percentage...just look at profiles on **.

Has she thought about touring (even if just using a hotel...) or working for a parlour until she settles in better.

Presumably she needs to know about bank accounts etc...

Jack

PS you cannot afford to get too sucked in, esp if married.

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I would echo what the others say but want to add that you need to direct her to SAAFE, there she can get info about her options, many previous threads have covered this, she can view ads for people in Oxford or wherever who are offering rooms to rent whether full time or hourly (she could always live elsewhere like a house share to start). If she cannot read or write English you could always help her post a request there, or translate offers already there, but that would be as much support I would advise you giving her.

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Ok,this might look like a punter being excessively nosey - but I will try to explain. . And let me appologise if this forum is the wrong place to ask for advice on behalf of a working girl. I have visited a particular foreign working girl half a dozen times,and have just come to realise what her circumstances are. She speaks next to no English,but I spoke to a friend of hers (her only friend in this country) last time I saw her,and now understand that she is in a bad position,and I would be willing to help her if it is possible. She needs to leave the place where she is staying,and would like to rent a flat/appartment in Bristol, Oxford,or somewhere near to those places Being foreign,new to the country and given her job,she can provide no references from landlords or employers,and has no checkable credit history. How on earth is she to find a place to live (and maybe work from) ? I suggested seperate living/working addresses would be much safer - what do the ladies on here think? The only options I could think of are 1. I rent somewhere for her. This is pretty much out of the question - I am Married and could not risk any post/phonecalls comming to my house. Furthermore,If she did work from the flat - would I be seen as her pimp with my name on the lease? 2. Some landlords will rent without references if you pay 6 months rent in advance. I see this as a possibility.It is done for foreign students.She could get the money together - maybe. But she is very worried that if things went wrong,she would get thrown out and lose all the money. Obviously this is not such a danger if she is not working from the flat.But then she also needs to find a place to work from. 3. She finds a landlord who knows what she is doing and is ok with it. But how would she ever find such a person? I am sure it takes girls years to make the contacts to find such landlords they can trust. And such valuable information would probably be closely gaurded and not readily shared. Does anyone have advice? I would very much like to help her in some way,but don't know how. I am new to the forum,so may be viewed with some suspicion.That is quite understandable.If anyone would like to talk privately with me,I will try to convince them of my genuineness. Hope someone has some ideas! Thanks. (oops! I almost signed off with my real name!!!)

My best advice is dont get involved in a WGs private business whether asked or not, if you think she is in a dangerous situation call the police anonymously and let them handle it. As others have said inform her about Saafe.info where she will hopefully get some good advice.

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Ringo I would proceed with caution and heed the advice of the members on here.

xx

Holly

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If you rent the place for her, eg, your name, and something goes down--like a crime, drugs, or she has a friend come stay with her and she happens to be an escort, all of a sudden, you are culpable for running a brothel--you are talking about a witches brew of legal mess and exposure.

I think you are kind to help, flip for her deposit or something in cash that she could pay back in trade, but keep your signature off any dotted line. JayKay is right, run.

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Putting your name to anything such as this does lead you down a road you don't need to be travelling on. In your name could quite easily lead to you being charged with living off immoral earnings. JKay is correct.. you need to get the hell out of this situation.. as it could end in tears for you.

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Have you reviewed her? A review is the most you can do to help her make enough to sort herself out

. Why would 2 women pick themselves up & move to a Country where they know nobody and do not speak the language, without a plan? It sounds like a hustle.

Review - no.but feedback on **,yes - I think four times.

As to 'Why would 2 women....' i would love to disclose the whole lengthy storey,it is not nearly as simple it looks,but cannot for fear of doing harm - I just don't know who might read this forum and realise who I am talking about.

I may be wrong,but however foollish it may be to get involved,I am confident it is not a hustle.

I know you're not interested in people telling you this sounds like a bad idea. I guess she will have to do what most people do when they need somewhere to live and rent a flat at the income level she can afford, obviously including deposit and a months rent in advance.

What do they think you can do to help?

Your kindness is well meant I know, but if not hard cash they want from you what is it?

I am happy to hear how bad an idea it is to get involved.Such comments remind me to be very cautious - but that is not the same thing as turning and running,

Money is not so much an issue.I asked whether it was and was told straight away she will not take money from me - nor will she borrow it!

The issue is references and credit history.

What do they think I can do to help?

Initially one thought was work references.She knows I have my own bussiness.I have no problem with bogus work references using a borrowed address/phone number.I have made up my own references in the past!

But i explained that they are of little use without corresponding bank statements (that can be done too - but its a longish term project).

So far all I have done is a little research - phoning letting agents etc. and getting nowhere in particular.

Lydia - thankyou for at least believing that my concern is well ment!

Oh apart from anything else, however does she think she can operate as a working girl if she can't understand English? How will she market herself, take bookings and interact with clients? All seems very odd if there is noone behind her in all this...

She already does well enough.

Not so much someone behind her,as beside her.The 'friend' runs an independent answering service,and has been so generous to what was a stranger that it makes me blush.

"www.saafe.info" may give advice. The economics of the business are such that few girls can afford to have separate work/private accommodation. Most foreign girls work for someone who provides the infrastructure/marketing for a percentage...just look at profiles on **.

Has she thought about touring (even if just using a hotel...) or working for a parlour until she settles in better.

Presumably she needs to know about bank accounts etc...

I have directed her to the saafe forum,but no english is a problem.I have been reading much on saafe,and trying to get some of the information across.I am gaining quite an education into a world I never gave a thought to before!

Touring? Yes - a good idea,but booking hotels is next to impossible without a credit card.

This was another thing she thought I could help with,but if things go wrong then the hotel booking would always be traced back to me.

I dont mean the extras on the bill - that really is nothing - I am more concerned about police involvement.A well known hotel in bristol was raided last week when a group of romainian women were working there - if you believe the gossip!

Bank accounts? Yes, she needs one - and again this is a small matter where I can and have given advice.

if you think she is in a dangerous situation call the police anonymously and let them handle it.

Not a dangerous situation.Just manipulative and exploitative - and she has no easy way to walk out of it - Other than to get straight on a flight back to Her native country - and it seams she would choose not to do that!

All the cautionary advice I take with gratitude.I know it is well ment.

I will proceed with caution.There are some clear limits to what I will do to help.I am still exploring the possibilities.

To help each other through life,in whatever way,is about all we have.

Thanks to you all.

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Just today we and my wife drove past an infamous Surbiton Flat used for years as a mainly Afro- caribean massgae parlour. Seems that there are now only ordinary residential tennants there and this flat and the one next door were plastered with warning notices saying GO AWAY to unwanted gentleman callers. (I never visited there but we used to live nearby.)

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I am sorry to be blunt to you Sir, but her and her working arrangements should be of no concern to you at all.

Stay out of it.

You have met a lady just 6 times who you can not even talk to in English.

You are married, and yet you want to get involved like this.

A very unwise move on your part to even think about helping her to sort such stuff out.

Lucy :)

Seconded - this is good advise mate, and you should heed it. Sorry, but there it is. Every minute of my 30 years' punting experience says "don't do this."

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Point her in the direction of other girls from her country, perhaps if you know one who you have visited regularly so she knows you are not trying to set her up in some odd situation you can ask if its okay to give this girl her number. She will then be able to give her proper advice in her language and was also possibly in this position or one similar once. Other than that I would stay out of it altogether. I know that sounds heartless but there are thousands of girls in her position I am sure every year when they first come to the uk. The best you can do is find her someone who can giver her advice having been there done that who she can actually talk too, just make sure its one who is most definaltey not on the end of the pimp stick or you could make the situation way worse.

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Thank you Chloe, good advice.

Unfortunately I dont know any other girls that speak her language.

But it is just what she needs - to talk to other working girls with similar experience.

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Initially one thought was work references.She knows I have my own bussiness.I have no problem with bogus work references using a borrowed address/phone number.I have made up my own references in the past!

I definitely wouldn't recommend that. It would be fraud by false representation (section 2 Fraud Act 2006). Maximum penalty - 10 years.

You seem determined to help her, but I would caution against offering any assistance that involves your taking a tenancy in your name, acting as guarantor or providing a fraudulent refererence.

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You do know that people can buy pre-paid credit cards, with no ID, they can't reload them, but it shouldn't be a problem.

There is a real difference in the clients you get from ** and a listing here. To get a listing here, I built my own website all by myself.

I am very suspicious of women who are all "hard luck" and "woe is me!" The most obvious solution, if they aren't here illegally, is to enrol on an English course, which will get them help with opening bank accounts & finding a home... and learning English.

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