JemmaLondon

My Naughty Business Card Fantasy

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So I have been wondering about this for some time - when I am about and about in London (especially when dressed really nicely for outcall bookings, stockings, heels etc), men give me very naughty/desirable glances, and I always WISH I had a floozy business card to hand to them with a cheeky grin! I constantly fantasise about doing this, but don't know if I really would be able to actually go through with it if I had an cards to begin with!

What is stopping me is, firstly this would most likely be considered solicitation (any legal gurus on here care to confirm) - even though it is highly unlikely that someone who had been trying to flirt with me or sending me dirty glances would go and report me, unless of course it was Superintendent Joe Blogs from the Anti Vice Unit or whatever. Secondly, though some blokes may be highly offended, I would assume the majority would be well pleased, as when guys eye you out in public they are thinking 'I wish I could have a bit of that', but realising the odds are tiny. If I handed them a card with a definite way to make that a VERY possible reality surely they would be chuffed?

Now I know this is really just my imagination going into overdrive (the look on their faces when they read the card amuses me for hours when thinking of this in public places), but seriously what are your thoughts on this, and any experiences with this, both punters and WG's?

See you on a packed train soon (or a wine bar/or a busy street/or a sandwich bar, or is it a one way ticket to HMP Holloway?) ;)

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Love the idea and no idea about the law side of the question I'm afraid, my concern would be handing a card to a married man who's wife then goes on to find it... I won't go into the rights and wrongs of married guys seeing WGs as that isn't an issue for me, but I don't think I'd cope with the knowing that there is a possibility that my 'card' caused issues at home if that makes sense?

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Hi Jemma, i've just 'researched' your web page.....does drool clean out a keyboard easily?

If i were having a sneaky look you up and down on the train.....wondering if they were stockings you were wearing with matching black lingerie and what you might do for fun?.....to then be handed your business card would initially stun me......quickly followed by excitement and if i'd never punted before the 'should i or shouldn't i' debate going on in my head.

I hope your idea/fantasy catches on!!!

Mr V

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Love the idea and no idea about the law side of the question I'm afraid, my concern would be handing a card to a married man who's wife then goes on to find it... I won't go into the rights and wrongs of married guys seeing WGs as that isn't an issue for me, but I don't think I'd cope with the knowing that there is a possibility that my 'card' caused issues at home if that makes sense?

That is a good point, though one should hope they could just memorise your web addy and then bin the card, that also is valid for evidence if it is illegal doing this. Dollymopp and I were discussing my idea a while ago, and thought maybe cupcakes with your website on them, then they would have to eat the evidence! Apologies in advance to MissPinkCupcakesxx if this infringes on your intellectual property rights :)

Hi Jemma, i've just 'researched' your web page.....does drool clean out a keyboard easily?

If i were having a sneaky look you up and down on the train.....wondering if they were stockings you were wearing with matching black lingerie and what you might do for fun?.....to then be handed your business card would initially stun me......quickly followed by excitement and if i'd never punted before the 'should i or shouldn't i' debate going on in my head.

I hope your idea/fantasy catches on!!!

Mr V

Thank you Mr V! I certainly hope the idea catches on, it would make London a lot more friendlier/happier I think! :P

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I've thought about this recently when I was talking to a shop owner (who's into the swinging scene) and what I did came up in conversation,. He asked if I had a business card, which I didn't.

I think it may be illigal though, as Jemma states, it's technically touting for business (solicitation), and like you Diana, I would feel terrible if my card was discovered by a guys partner and caused problems with their relationship. Although it still hasn't stopped me from wondering whether it's worth getting some discrete cards made up, and only handing them out when the occasion calls for it. Tricky :unsure:

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How about a non-committal business card that just gives, for example, your name and mobile number? Assuming that you can talk to the lucky recipient when you give the card, you can make it clear why you've given it and what's on offer. If the lucky guy's partner finds it, well, it's just someone's business card that he picked up somewhere.

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Dexi - it is a tricky one, but I think could be appropriate in the right circumstances.

Max Gentle - I was thinking of going entirely the other way, having only my website on it, because I wouldn't want to deal with the 20 questions phone calls, I would prefer that they saw my site, my rates, services etc, and then if they were keen gave me a call. Your way is a lot more discreet, but requires discussion (often wouldn't be able to do that), and then a lot of time explaining everything on the phone. So instead of getting a free naughty chat from me, they would have to put some effort into viewing my site, which they would only do if they were seriously thinking of meeting.

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well I for one would be happy to accept a business card from you in the street :-)

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Hi Jemma, some years ago a friend and I were doing a cleaning service where we would clean in our panties and heels.

We had some business cards made by www.vistaprint.co.uk with just our website address and what we would do, is go into bars around the city, and if a group of men looked our way (we were dressed up too), we would smile and just put a couple of the cards on their table.

We received a large number of calls...

I had a look at your website, you look lovely... I wish you all the best :)

Ps keep us posted!

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I think it may be illigal [sic] though, as Jemma states, it's technically touting for business (solicitation), ... ... Although it still hasn't stopped me from wondering whether it's worth getting some discrete cards made up, and only handing them out when the occasion calls for it. Tricky

I'll defer to my bretheren, but I don't think that handing over a business card would be illegal: see CPS' guidance here:

Loitering or Soliciting for Prostitution

Section 16 of the Policing and Crime Act 2009 amends section 1(1) of the Street Offences Act 1959 to create an offence for a person (whether male or female) persistently to loiter or solicit in a street or public place for the purposes of offering services as a prostitute, with effect from 1 April 2010. The term "common prostitute" has now been removed.

Section 1(4) has been amended to insert that for the purposes of section 1, conduct is persistent if it takes place on 2 or more occasions in any period of 3 months.

Section 1(5) provides that in deciding whether a person's conduct is persistent, any conduct that took place before the commencement of this section will be disregarded.

To demonstrate "persistence" under the amended legislation, two officers would need to witness the activity and administer the non statutory "prostitutes caution". This caution differs from ordinary police cautions in that the behaviour leading to a caution may not itself be evidence of a criminal offence and there is no requirement for a man or woman to admit guilt before being given a prostitutes caution. Details of these "prostitutes cautions" are recorded at the local police station. Insertion of the word "persistently" provides opportunities for the police to direct that individual to non-criminal justice interventions to help address the issues that may have caused them to enter prostitution and to ultimately find routes out.

The amended offence requires the prosecution to prove that the activity the subject of the charge itself was persistent; therefore there is a need to particularise when and where that persistent activity took place. Thus, once conduct has already been included within the scope of one prosecution that same conduct cannot be included in the scope of a later prosecution. Further, once an offender's cumulative conduct is met by a finding of guilt in a criminal court, to that extent there is a wiping clean of the slate. Therefore, a caution or conditional caution will wipe the slate clean.

Each case of subsequent "persistent" loitering or soliciting does not need to be met with any kind of formal warning to be considered for prosecution. However, in the event of an offender who leaves court following a conviction for soliciting or loitering, and then immediately resumed this activity, they would need to be told to desist at least once before they could be considered for any fresh prosecution.

The card, obviously would need to be tasteful, but I come to both "loitering" and "soliciting" - I'd say that one has to loiter in a relatively fixed place, so that the persistence would have to be on a lady's "beat" (yes, Mods, I know the street scene is banned here) and the OP wasn't for a moment considering loitering, but simply when she happened to catch an eye, giving a card with a smile and moving on, so no persistent loitering. Soliciting is different - when, in my distant youth in the East that is no more, a dusky maiden said "You want jig-jag, John?" that was certainly soliciting, but handing a constructively ambiguous card over and passing on without further ado? I really don't think so.

What to put on the card?

Delicious Daisy,

www.daisy-really-does.co.uk

07x6x7x6x7

I'd know what that implied, but could the beak be really sure, so that he was certain?

I say, go for it!

Edited by Irgendeiner

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If you were going to include just a domain name then you could use one of the URL shortening services to make it less obvious to an unintended recipient coming across the card later.

For example if you were to use something like the bit.ly shortening service and obtain the custom short word "secretarial" then you could put http://bit.ly/secretarial and this would redirect to your site.

Of course you need to impress upon the person receiving the card in the first place that it was not (purely) secretarial services on offer so you'd need to be more inventive than I am...

There are many such shortening services, but not all allow the customisation of the name (some provide a short random part). http://searchengineland.com/analysis-which-url-shortening-service-should-you-use-17204

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How about a non-committal business card that just gives, for example, your name and mobile number? Assuming that you can talk to the lucky recipient when you give the card, you can make it clear why you've given it and what's on offer. If the lucky guy's partner finds it, well, it's just someone's business card that he picked up somewhere.

A friend of mine was doing this years ago . Just the name on the card ,a phone number , and underneath written , " special services "

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How about a non-committal business card that just gives, for example, your name and mobile number? Assuming that you can talk to the lucky recipient when you give the card, you can make it clear why you've given it and what's on offer. If the lucky guy's partner finds it, well, it's just someone's business card that he picked up somewhere.

The saucy, suggestive business card sounds like a great idea; I think most blokes would be quite flattered to be singled out to receive one.

I would, however, be very wary of following this up with a chat "making it clear why you've given it an what's on offer". That sounds uncomfortably like soliciting to me. Maybe our legal friends might add to this?

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So I have been wondering about this for some time - when I am about and about in London (especially when dressed really nicely for outcall bookings, stockings, heels etc), men give me very naughty/desirable glances, and I always WISH I had a floozy business card to hand to them with a cheeky grin! I constantly fantasise about doing this, but don't know if I really would be able to actually go through with it if I had an cards to begin with!

What is stopping me is, firstly this would most likely be considered solicitation (any legal gurus on here care to confirm) - even though it is highly unlikely that someone who had been trying to flirt with me or sending me dirty glances would go and report me, unless of course it was Superintendent Joe Blogs from the Anti Vice Unit or whatever. Secondly, though some blokes may be highly offended, I would assume the majority would be well pleased, as when guys eye you out in public they are thinking 'I wish I could have a bit of that', but realising the odds are tiny. If I handed them a card with a definite way to make that a VERY possible reality surely they would be chuffed?

Now I know this is really just my imagination going into overdrive (the look on their faces when they read the card amuses me for hours when thinking of this in public places), but seriously what are your thoughts on this, and any experiences with this, both punters and WG's?

See you on a packed train soon (or a wine bar/or a busy street/or a sandwich bar, or is it a one way ticket to HMP Holloway?) ;)

Amusing idea, Jemma, and I can see how a guy would be fattered but isn't this a play on an old idea? They may not be handed out personally but working girls 'calling cards' have been on display in London telephone boxes for years.

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Fattered?? I think I meant flattered!..lol

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Have you ever been approached by any onlookers?

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I'll defer to my bretheren, but I don't think that handing over a business card would be illegal: see CPS' guidance here:

Loitering or Soliciting for Prostitution

Section 16 of the Policing and Crime Act 2009 amends section 1(1) of the Street Offences Act 1959 to create an offence for a person (whether male or female) persistently to loiter or solicit in a street or public place for the purposes of offering services as a prostitute, with effect from 1 April 2010. The term "common prostitute" has now been removed.

Section 1(4) has been amended to insert that for the purposes of section 1, conduct is persistent if it takes place on 2 or more occasions in any period of 3 months.

Section 1(5) provides that in deciding whether a person's conduct is persistent, any conduct that took place before the commencement of this section will be disregarded.

To demonstrate "persistence" under the amended legislation, two officers would need to witness the activity and administer the non statutory "prostitutes caution". This caution differs from ordinary police cautions in that the behaviour leading to a caution may not itself be evidence of a criminal offence and there is no requirement for a man or woman to admit guilt before being given a prostitutes caution. Details of these "prostitutes cautions" are recorded at the local police station. Insertion of the word "persistently" provides opportunities for the police to direct that individual to non-criminal justice interventions to help address the issues that may have caused them to enter prostitution and to ultimately find routes out.

The amended offence requires the prosecution to prove that the activity the subject of the charge itself was persistent; therefore there is a need to particularise when and where that persistent activity took place. Thus, once conduct has already been included within the scope of one prosecution that same conduct cannot be included in the scope of a later prosecution. Further, once an offender's cumulative conduct is met by a finding of guilt in a criminal court, to that extent there is a wiping clean of the slate. Therefore, a caution or conditional caution will wipe the slate clean.

Each case of subsequent "persistent" loitering or soliciting does not need to be met with any kind of formal warning to be considered for prosecution. However, in the event of an offender who leaves court following a conviction for soliciting or loitering, and then immediately resumed this activity, they would need to be told to desist at least once before they could be considered for any fresh prosecution.

The card, obviously would need to be tasteful, but I come to both "loitering" and "soliciting" - I'd say that one has to loiter in a relatively fixed place, so that the persistence would have to be on a lady's "beat" (yes, Mods, I know the street scene is banned here) and the OP wasn't for a moment considering loitering, but simply when she happened to catch an eye, giving a card with a smile and moving on, so no persistent loitering. Soliciting is different - when, in my distant youth in the East that is no more, a dusky maiden said "You want jig-jag, John?" that was certainly soliciting, but handing a constructively ambiguous card over and passing on without further ado? I really don't think so.

What to put on the card?

Delicious Daisy,

www.daisy-really-does.co.uk

07x6x7x6x7

I'd know what that implied, but could the beak be really sure, so that he was certain?

I say, go for it!

Thanks, thats good to know. And I've just noticed I've spelt illegal wrong. Typical.

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If a random guy tries chatting me up, I tell him I'm an Escort. Saying "I've got a boyfriend" or "I'm married" doesn't work. I was really shocked when one guy asked my rates, so I trebled my rates & walked away. My URL is memorable, so I wouldn't need a card.

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I like the idea but might need to have a ready made excuse if Mrs P found such a card in my pocket.

Since I live nowhere near London I think my pockets are pretty safe. :)

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well I for one would be happy to accept a business card from you in the street :-)

You silly man, you don't need one you know where I live so well you could find it blindfolded! :P Welcome to PNet! xxx

Hi Jemma, some years ago a friend and I were doing a cleaning service where we would clean in our panties and heels.

We had some business cards made by www.vistaprint.co.uk with just our website address and what we would do, is go into bars around the city, and if a group of men looked our way (we were dressed up too), we would smile and just put a couple of the cards on their table.

We received a large number of calls...

I had a look at your website, you look lovely... I wish you all the best :)

Ps keep us posted!

Ha ha, brilliant business and marketing idea that! Thanks for the link, my webdesigner can adapt a card from my front page then I can print them with vista. Thanks so much for the wishes, really kind of you :wub: mwah x

Irgendeiner & Marky31 thanks so much for the fab ideas and all the research! So what would your response be if a girl gave you such a card in the street or in public somewhere? Thanks to everyone else for your comments. x

Have you ever been approached by any onlookers?

No not directly, but I get very naughty looks which I would love to silence with the card. I wouldn't say a word, just pass them the card and carry on walking without looking back (well maybe a little backwards glance and cheeky grin, that is what my 'fantasy' revolves around). There was the local off licence owner who used to constantly hit on me where I used to work, he was cute, but there was no way he was getting it for free, eventually I had had enough of his relentless flirtation so I wrote my website on a piece of paper and gave it to him saying 'check my rates and then call me if you want to book'. The look on his face was priceless, and I so had the upper hand. I still used to go there loads, and instead of being lecherous he became quite respectful, never did book though, occasionally would ask for a discount, I just used to laugh my head off and tell him to save up. It was marvellously empowering! xxx

Lara - that is brilliant!!!! Hee hee hee..... :D

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What is stopping me is, firstly this would most likely be considered solicitation ............

Yes, it's soliciting in a street or public place for the purpose of prostitution .

It's not loitering though unless you are actually loitering.

The soliciting needs to be persistent ie.to have taken place on 2 or more occasions in any period of 3 months.

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Interesting Ideas.

Needs some thinking..

I'd consider something along these lines :

Daisy - for Extraordinary Secretarial Services and Special Assignments.

tel: 07696 969 696

Possibly add : daisy@specialservices.com

and to maks stuff for wifes and GF, put a QR (square barcode) on it that contains your WL website.

That way it is less obvious.

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If a random guy tries chatting me up, I tell him I'm an Escort. Saying "I've got a boyfriend" or "I'm married" doesn't work. I was really shocked when one guy asked my rates, so I trebled my rates & walked away. My URL is memorable, so I wouldn't need a card.

Yes, brilliant.

and the website is indeed very easy to remember.

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