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If Threatened By Wgs' Minders...

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Its a cliche, if you turn up at a booking or flat and you change your mind, because the woman is not the one in the photo, or she is not your type etc, the woman says if you dont pay she will call the minders in the next room....

I know some eastern european girls have been known to do this. Some guys panic and pay up.

Wouldnt the best thing to do is to call their bluff? if you were met with viiolence they could not stay in business at the same address?

What if you took your phone out and threaten to call the police, to say you are being robbed, blackmailed etc after being tricked into a house or room used for prostitution and they are 'demanding money with menaces', I believe that is a crime on the statute books. The address, number and website is on the internet etc. I bet nine times out of ten no one else is in the other room.

Just wondered how other guys have handled this situation

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I've been punting for 40 years and it's never happened to me, and I've been in some seriously iffy places in my youth.

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I don't mind going to a slightly dodgy area but I wouldn't go to a seriously dodgy area. I'm more worried about the car than getting a beating. In 20+ years of punting I've never been threatened or felt threatened.

If a girl threatened to call her minders then I'd probably call her bluff. If they appeared then I'd pay up and leave quickly.

As regards your comment: "if you were met with violence they could not stay in business at the same address?" - That would be a great comfort to me if I were in A&E getting stitches from a nurse!!

I wouldn't call the police. That's the last thing that I'd do. The police around here wouldn't be interested. They'd just take your details and add them to the computer a few days later, with a note that you see prostitutes in dodgy areas. The next time a prostitute gets murdered in the city your name comes up on the screen with all the other usual suspects. I've seen it all before.

There's also the risk that if the police do actually turn up, the girl says that you tried to attack her and her boyfriend heard her screaming and came to her rescue. Again I doubt that anything would come of it but there's a danger that you could end up being arrested and have your photos, fingerprints and DNA sample taken down the local nick.

Personally I'd write the whole thing off down to experience and post a warning here.

Another thing that I've learnt over the years is that a fair proportion of punters in dodgy areas are quite dodgy themselves and can be pretty nasty vicious people who take it very seriously if somebody tries to rip them off. Sooner or later these blackmailers/scammers get their just desserts because they pick on the wrong guy who comes back with his mates seeking revenge.

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Thankfully it's never happened to me, but I think if you are suspicious it's best to run immediately, and keep going fast. I would leave my car a few streets away to avoid it getting damaged if the thugs caught up with me there. I guess most thugs would only chase you for a few yards, but I have no intention of putting my theory to the test!

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I have been in various situations where different threats have been used specially abroad. I think it is important that you consider your circumstances carefully and choose your punts and the level of perceived safety accordingly. In relation on to how to handle a situation I would say that you really ought to exercise judgement given the particular set of circumstances. If you go the route of confrontation then you really need to know what you are doing and there could be consequences to this.

Personally I would never pay and would confront anyone who tries to force me to do so. But you need to keep a cool head and handle the situation to avoid unnecessary escalation. In most situations the other party has a lot more to lose than you if they are sensible. There is no guarantee however that the other party would make sensible decisions.

The last episode I had was last year and the girl became very aggressive. She was not right in the head and despite me keeping very cool and not encouraging her she decided to attack me just as I was leaving. I had anticipated this and mange to handle the situation in way that no harm came to anyone. This was however a very unpredictable situation and could have ended badly.

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that sounds scary. i wouldn't suggest sticking around, because your safety is more important than these people being caught. however, one thing you could do is that after you've left, you could call the police, give the address and say that you've heard shouting and screaming coming from that flat and that you're worried. there isn't anything they'll be able to do, but it may well go on their record so that next time some poor guy goes there and gets conned/beaten up, the police will believe him.

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Its a cliche, if you turn up at a booking or flat and you change your mind, because the woman is not the one in the photo, or she is not your type etc, the woman says if you dont pay she will call the minders in the next room.... I know some eastern european girls have been known to do this. Some guys panic and pay up. Wouldnt the best thing to do is to call their bluff? if you were met with viiolence they could not stay in business at the same address? What if you took your phone out and threaten to call the police, to say you are being robbed, blackmailed etc after being tricked into a house or room used for prostitution and they are 'demanding money with menaces', I believe that is a crime on the statute books. The address, number and website is on the internet etc. I bet nine times out of ten no one else is in the other room. Just wondered how other guys have handled this situation

Thankfully this is a very rare occurence, i have been threatened but not attacked. I just want to get out of the premises back to the safety of my car personally so hanging around calling the WGs bluff isnt something i would risk, who knows who might be on those premises or quickly turn up.. Post about it on here is my advice and chalk it down to experience. If in anyway physically assaulted i would go to the police though. Informing the benefits agency and taxman is an option as well. If no laws are being broken on them they have nothing to worry about, if they are breaking the law on them then they should of thought about that before threatening, scamming or ripping honest punters off in my view. :)

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Never happened to me so far and pray it never does! But of the cases I heard abt,most were in Eastern Europe when Brits were visiting as tourists etc It has happened here in the UK but dont think its as common.

Im not very keen when there are male 'maids' at some parlours but in all the places I went to it wasnt an issue etc

with regards to calling someone's bluff....the problem is just dont know what they are prepared to do.....they might let you go or they might batter the crap out of you.....

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Minders? Sorry, my fault for being here. When I was looking at the index I read Mothers instead. That sounded so interesting that I followed the link. Must be something to do with not having English as a native language.

I've never been threatened by a WG's mother, though that must be really something when it happens. Does anyone have any tales of that sort?

I've been threatened by ordinary civilian girls' mothers, though, (twice) when I was a lusty young fellow who hadn't fully taken on board that sex or anything like it just wasn't done in that part of the world. In one case I must admit that sex was somewhere in the back of my mind - but only in the back because nothing could have been further from what was in the girl's mind. In the other it was Mother's pure imagination. That was life around there.

In my punting career I've only had one threat from a minder. More than a threat, in a place where there was no obvious way out except through the minder. Bad luck for him, thanks to spcialised training (which wasn't intended for that job).

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Well first of all I'd never go to a brothel wiith only girls form East Europe. Just too many bad experiences. Secondly if organized prostitution was legal and regulated, like in Germany or the Netherlands, this would never happen and if you called the police they would be compelled to investigate and would do it gladly. But this is bigoted Britain and when it comes to sex we have to surrender to all the mafias.

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Minders? Sorry, my fault for being here. When I was looking at the index I read Mothers instead. That sounded so interesting that I followed the link. Must be something to do with not having English as a native language.

I've never been threatened by a WG's mother, though that must be really something when it happens. Does anyone have any tales of that sort?

I've been threatened by ordinary civilian girls' mothers, though, (twice) when I was a lusty young fellow who hadn't fully taken on board that sex or anything like it just wasn't done in that part of the world. In one case I must admit that sex was somewhere in the back of my mind - but only in the back because nothing could have been further from what was in the girl's mind. In the other it was Mother's pure imagination. That was life around there.

In my punting career I've only had one threat from a minder. More than a threat, in a place where there was no obvious way out except through the minder. Bad luck for him, thanks to spcialised training (which wasn't intended for that job).

LOL - God, mothers!!! that demands an entire new board never mind a new thread. :eek:

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Never been threatened, but once when I said I did not want to stay (I found the lady very unattractive, not at all like her description, but did not say so), she got very angry and called to the maid to lock me in the flat, which she did, unless I paid her.

I decided that there was little risk of a minder attacking me, so stayed calm and just kept politely asking her and the maid to unlock the door. The girl then called the police to complain but from the conversation they seemed to be saying that nothing she said indicated any offence or threat.

Then another customer turned up. The girl told me to hide myself in the bathroom, which I refused to do. The maid opened the door and I shouted "Help, let me out". The customer beat a hasty retreat. The door was slammed shut and locked before I could get to it.

So we had a stand-off. There was no threat of violence. I could not get out. No customer would come in hearing a male voice demanding to be let out.

After a few more minutes she decided she was losing too much business and told the maid to unlock the door. I did not pay anything.

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In my punting career I've only had one threat from a minder. More than a threat, in a place where there was no obvious way out except through the minder. Bad luck for him, thanks to spcialised training (which wasn't intended for that job).

Oh, what a tease you are! Come on, you can't leave it at that. I'm sure we're all wanting to hear more.

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Long ago, in a flat on the Edgware Road, by the telephone exchange, I'd just entered the bedroom and been greeted by the WG when the maid came in, flustered and said something. I was then swiftly sent into the loo, given two cigarettes (I don't smoke!) and told to lock the door and stay quiet until she told me I could come out!

Shortly afterwards, doors opening and shutting; a male voice, and then I was let out, and the punt continued as normal!

I could only assume that the "boy-friend" / minder / ponce was calling to collect the takings, or something worse. I never saw him or heard any words, so the "threat" was only implied....

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So you wait and plod turn up as a previous poster said, she claims you attacked her tried to rape her. So that leads to 15 hours minimum in the local nick fingerprints and DNA only to be sent home (eventually if you are lucky) in a white suit in the middle of the day so all your neighbours can see. Then the wife gets to find out and so do all her family. Then they have your details on there systems and your DNA on the police national database (which also covers Europe now) for LIFE. Not forgetting that they have you down as a person who uses prostitutes. Or you put up a fight get battered like a cod in a chip shop and you have given them even more ammunition to screw u over. Your DNA will be all over the place and she/they can do whatever they like with it.

These girls and their minders know that the majority of their customers are normal respectable law abiding people who have this habit. They prey on that and know for the sake of £60 or so you are not going to risk the potential consequences. I got done just before Christmas and as I posted on a previous thread sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the war.

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So you wait and plod turn up as a previous poster said, she claims you attacked her tried to rape her. So that leads to 15 hours minimum in the local nick fingerprints and DNA only to be sent home (eventually if you are lucky) in a white suit in the middle of the day so all your neighbours can see. Then the wife gets to find out and so do all her family. Then they have your details on there systems and your DNA on the police national database (which also covers Europe now) for LIFE. Not forgetting that they have you down as a person who uses prostitutes. Or you put up a fight get battered like a cod in a chip shop and you have given them even more ammunition to screw u over. Your DNA will be all over the place and she/they can do whatever they like with it.

These girls and their minders know that the majority of their customers are normal respectable law abiding people who have this habit. They prey on that and know for the sake of £60 or so you are not going to risk the potential consequences. I got done just before Christmas and as I posted on a previous thread sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the war.

Good post, this could easily be a scenario that might occur, only if attacked would i go to the police. I have chalked scams and rip-offs down to experience myself and just posted about it on here since i joined, if that saved one punter from the same then it was worth posting in my view.

I certainly agree regarding the preying on punters and as has been shown on here for a lot more than £60 on occassion sadly. Perspective is crucial here in my opinion, in 29 years punting its been a handful of times that i can recall where i have been threatened and most SPs do offer whats been agreed, but there will always be scum out their preying on punters. :)

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Luckily never happened to me and I've punted in some truly dodgy locales in London

I've never had any problem of this sort when I've indicated that I wont stay and theyve seemed all too happy to get me out the door quickly

Have no idea how I'd handle such a situation if it did arise

(As with other posters I never punt with EE wgs so perhaps thats a factor?.....)

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Luckily never happened to me and I've punted in some truly dodgy locales in London I've never had any problem of this sort when I've indicated that I wont stay and theyve seemed all too happy to get me out the door quickly Have no idea how I'd handle such a situation if it did arise (As with other posters I never punt with EE wgs so perhaps thats a factor?.....)

Not in my case, i have been scammed, ripped-off and attempted scammed by Brits, Orientals and EE WGs. Being a liar or worse is an individual trait in my experiences. :)

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From my own experiences and what I have read on here this seems to be a rare occurrence, which is hardly surprising since these girls' primary aim is to make money not trouble. But it really depends from whose part the trouble arises. If a girl is out to scam punters then she won't be in business for very long once the word gets out so best to just cut your losses and get out with the minimum of fuss.

If it's a case of the punter turning up and then changing his mind for some trivial reason like, she's not my type (whatever that means), then it's hardly surprising she will be angry as he has wasted her time as well as his own. I have found the best policy with any booking is to clarify as much as possible over the phone so as to avoid the kind of misunderstandings that lead to these disputes. However, if there has been a genuine mistake on my part and I see she is clearly not happy about it, I would offer some form of compensation. If all avenues of diplomacy had been exhausted and things turned nasty I would cut my losses, get out and then inform others through the appropriate channels. Going to the police would be a last resort.

Follow the basic ground rules of good intel, feedback and feeling the vibe over the phone helps me to avoid such calamities.

Spok out.

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that sounds scary. i wouldn't suggest sticking around, because your safety is more important than these people being caught. however, one thing you could do is that after you've left, you could call the police, give the address and say that you've heard shouting and screaming coming from that flat and that you're worried. there isn't anything they'll be able to do, but it may well go on their record so that next time some poor guy goes there and gets conned/beaten up, the police will believe him.

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Not sure that making hoax calls to the police is such a good idea.

Spok out.

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I've never had any problem of this sort when I've indicated that I wont stay and theyve seemed all too happy to get me out the door quick

Yeah , but you're a big guy , tall , strong , built like an athlete, and an oversize cock to go with it . Don't deny it as I have it confirmed by you know who . :ph34r:

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'Speak softly and carry a big stick' in the words of Theodore Roosevelt, never let me down.

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As spok says, threatening punters is not a good business model. I went to a clip joint in Paris a long time ago, started talking to a girl who took me to a booth and ordered a bottle of champagne. When I complained, some heavy types appeared. I'm very tall and was a bit trimmer then, but I didn't have much choice. That must be much more likely rip-off than a pimp in an apartment.

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As spok says, threatening punters is not a good business model. I went to a clip joint in Paris a long time ago, started talking to a girl who took me to a booth and ordered a bottle of champagne. When I complained, some heavy types appeared. I'm very tall and was a bit trimmer then, but I didn't have much choice. That must be much more likely rip-off than a pimp in an apartment.

As said earlier, 'speak softly and carry a big stick', if you're going to find yourself in such situations.

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A gentleman told me he had turned away an escort because she was nothing like the picture on her profile, a classic case of bate and switch.

5 minutes later there was a knock at the door. He answered to 2 bulky men who pushed their way in, and 'forced' him to pay the full fee.

This was in a hilton hotel. I asked if he had reported the incident. "Report it where?" he asked.

Not many men have never heard of sites such as punternet, so i suspect many, MANY, incidents go unreported.

If you have to terminate a booking due to the wg's deception i.e. services on profile are not offered, bait & switch etc, be careful about answering the door after the lady has left.

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