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London Mayoral Election - Who Will You Vote For

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Now that we know who is standing in the election for mayor of London I would like to ask who you are voting for. I will be voting for Jenny Jones of the Green Party. I am interested in ecological issues but the Green Party is the only one I know that has sensible policies on the issue of prostitution.

I am not sure of Jenny Jones's own personal opinions. I know that the party leader Caroline Lucas MP seems to believe the feminist nonsense about prostitution being a form of slavery. But the party has some good ideas. I have copied-and-pasted from their website. See below.

The election will be a 'supplementary vote' which means you can put who you really want to win first even if they've got no chance of winning. I'm going to put Jenny Jones first and Ken Livingstone second. Obviously Jones has no chance of winning but it's not a wasted vote for me to put her first.

http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/rops/45-tr11-3

Ending the Long-Term Stigmatisation of Sex Workers and Former Sex Workers

The Green Party calls for the ending of the classification of the offences of "Loitering or Soliciting for the Purpose of Prostitution" and "Brothelkeeping" as sexual offences. We recognise that the permanent retention of sexual offences on an individual's record, through the enhanced criminal records bureau check, can be a significant barrier to women and men who wish to leave sex work but are prevented from entering many jobs as a result of this record, and may also have severe and unwarranted consequences for family life.

Passed Spring 2012

http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/rr

Prostitution and the Sex Industry

RR550 The Green Party believes that the law should not seek to regulate consensual sexual activities between adults where those do not affect others. Where there are such effects, a balance must be reached. Adults should be free to do as they wish with their own bodies, and to practice whatever form of sexual activity they wish by themselves or with each other by mutual consent. This includes the freedom not only to engage in such sexual acts, but also to be photographed or filmed doing so, to make such images available to other adults with their consent, and to be able to view such images. That someone might receive payment for any of these activities should not affect this freedom.

RR551 Regardless of generally accepted standards of public morality in the past, no attempt to end various aspects of prostitution with prohibitive laws has worked. In addition, with the availability of sexually explicit material via the internet it is not realistic to expect that censorship laws will be able to stop access to such material in the future.

RR552 For the reasons given above, the Green Party believes that attempting to stop the sex industry by using prohibitive laws is neither desirable nor realistic.

RR553 Criminalisation of many parts of the sex industry leaves those working within it in a vulnerable position. They are often unable to turn to the law for help in cases where their rights are violated, and instead fall prey to criminal gangs and pimps.

RR554 Therefore, all aspects of sex work involving consenting adults should be decriminalised. Restrictions and censorship of sexually explicit material should be ended, except for those which are aimed at protecting children. Workers in the sex industry should enjoy the same rights as other workers such as the right to join unions (See WR410), the right to choose whether to work co-operatively with others etc. Decriminalisation would also help facilitate the collection of taxes due from those involved in sex work. Legal discrimination against sex workers should be ended (for example, in child custody cases, where evidence of sex work is often taken to mean that a person is an unfit parent).

RR555 The Green Party recognises that, although people should be free to engage in sex work if they wish, this is an industry which can be more exploitative than others, and those who work in it should be adequately protected against such exploitation. There should be zero tolerance of coercion, violence, or sexual abuse (including child abuse). Those who have been trafficked into the country and forced to work in the sex industry against their will should receive protection under the law (see MG450-454). There should be legal support for sex workers who want to sue those who exploit their labour unfairly, and access to re-training for those sex workers who want to leave the industry. As far as possible, public services, the Government and legal system should aim to end those social attitudes which stigmatise those who are, or have been, sex workers.

RR556 Regular health checks should be available to all sex workers, free of charge (see H300), to protect both them and their clients.

RR557 The use of commercial premises as brothels should be legalised, and such brothels should be subject to licensing by local authorities to ensure protection of those working there and clients from abuse, and protection of the local community from nuisance and abuse. Some prostitutes choose to work from home, or similarly in residential premises, like some other trades. Such use of primarily residential premises should be permitted without a licence being required, subject to the avoidance of nuisance and abuse. This exemption from licensing requirements should still apply if more than one person works in such premises, provided that such activities take place on a sufficiently small scale that they are not tantamount to a commercial brothel.

RR558 The decriminalisation of prostitution should not require all prostitutes to work in regulated brothels. Doing this would still leave a criminalized street prostitution market. Those workers whom regulated brothels chose to employ would work legally, and those who not so employed would still work illegally on the streets. In order to protect those street workers (often the most vulnerable) the law shall not criminalize their activity.

RR559 Laws against soliciting should be repealed, and issues of "public nuisance" should be dealt with under general legal provision against nuisance. In order to minimise any such nuisance, wherever possible particular areas should be designated where street prostitutes can work in safety without upsetting local residents and traders. Such areas should be decided by negotiation between the police, prostitutes and/or their representatives, and the residents and/or their representatives. Local authorities and the health service should ensure that such street workers have ready access to health facilities and advice about the health risks of their work.

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Personally, as a nature lover, I'm also concerned about GW, but I would never vote green party for several reasons.

The only other party that 'supports' 'prostitution' seems to be UKIP. Of course no one wants to ban it, but some parties seem to 'support' it more than others.

‘Yes, but I am also a libertarian. I think prostitution, for instance, should be decriminalised and regulated. I feel that about drugs, too. I don’t do them myself but I think the war on drugs does more harm than the drugs themselves. I am opposed to the hunting ban and the smoking ban, too. What have they got to do with government? The one thing I cannot be accused of is hypocrisy.’

This is a quote by UKIP Leader Nigel Farage. I agree with it 100 pct.

I wouldn't call myself right or left wing. But I think, if I lived in London, I would vote UKIP. I agree with many things they say. (also their view on Europe)

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There are only two runners (with any chance) ------------------ Ken Livingstone is an old dinosaur who is still living in the days of the GLC, it looks like we will have Boris for another 4 year term.

Jenny Jones has absolutely no chance, the average man in the street could not care less about green issues, they are more concerned about important things like paying their bills.

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Good post richardhead, very enlightening information about an often ignored party. It's not often a post of such length is worth reading to the end.

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There has just been a debate on LBC radio with the leading candidates for the Mayoral election, you can vote on who won the debate, this was the result at 10-42 am, of course it could change as the day goes on.

Which candidate did the best in the London Mayoral Debate?

Boris Johnson - 66.94%

Ken Livingstone - 19.13%

Jenny Jones - 7.1%

Brian Paddick - 6.83%

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ken has no chance. he has been naughty with his tax affairs which will not increase his popularity.

so Boris it is till he gets the call to replace Cameron ( :) )

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Boris, definitely, I don't trust red ken.

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Anyone who gets rid of the second congestion zone is worth voting for.

Go Boris.

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Have you seen what Andrew Boff has written about the Sex Industry in the Olympic Boroughs? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123846/Brothels-closed-London-Olympics-prostitutes-cleaned-streets.html and that Trafficked women are only found in 1% of brothel raids: http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/19/met-police-sex-trafficking-investigations-criticised?cat=uk&type=article

I don't want him to lose in Hackney! The GLA needs him.

Boris is presiding over this, Ken reputedly hates the Sex Industry, Jenny Jones may want more raids to find these elusive trafficked women, Paddick was a disaster for Lambeth by all accounts & Siobhan Benita wants to be Mumsy in a Celebrity campaign!

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would not vote for livingstone ever !!

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would not vote for livingstone ever !!

Jenny Jones is even worse, she proposes increasing the congestion charge to £15 for normal cars and £40 for what she called "gas guzzlers", she wants a 20 MPH speed limit on all London roads -------------------- and last but not least she described Bob Crow as a lovely man. :(

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think it will be a close call and if i had a vote it would be for ken

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Whilst the views of the Green Party on prostitution are refreshing, and the major parties would benefit from listening to them, they have no chance. The are only two candidates with a chance of election, Boris and Ken.

Boris is a highly intelligent eccentric with flaws. Ken, as someone here has pointed out is a dinosaur, living in a past political era, who is not in touch with modern issues. His exposure as a tax avoider and expenses sponger, after his years of castigation of that breed, reveals his hypocrisy. Articulate though he is, he lost the first broadcast debate by a reported vote of 61% to 19%. There is no likelihood of coming back substantially from that position.

But what should be one of the overriding considerations for voters, but probably won't be, is what the victor will do to improve the economy of London and its surrounding region. Fortunately, from that point of view, the candidate more likely to achieve that end is the candidate likely to prove more popular with the voters--Boris, who is acceptable to the voters, is not too close to the current Government, and has that degree of quirkiness that appeals to a lot of people.

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The official manifesto of the green party is refreshing, but the MEP and leader of the Green Party Caroline Lucas I believe is totally abolitionist. I voted Green for the MEP in the last election on the belief they were sex work friendly. Then I found Caroline Lucas was sex worker abolitionist. I did complain, and was told that each MEP had their own opinions.

So though the Greens may be sex work friendly, check that who you vote for is actually positive.

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if the green parties policy is pro sex work then i wudnt worry about individual views as they will have to tow the party line.

I heard talk of a coalition between green and respect. Given respect parties awesome win in bradford, id say thats a good coalition to send a good signal to the main three parties that we're fed up with their bs. I reckon we shud all vote green n respect to shove two fingers up at the establishment lol

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also, if we always hold the view that a vote for anyone except labour liberal conservative is a wasted vote then we will be at their beck and call forever. They have gotten complacent and feel they have their places secure forever. George galloway was a big shock to them. They are the same as each other and are screwing us over. Im happy george galloway won bradford. Only if at some point the masses lose this brain shackle that we must always vote for the big three, will we break free from their shackles.

I think green and respect is well worth it as at least we can help boost their credibility and move them towards being seen as an alternative.

Think of the shock the establishment wud receive if other parties started gaining huge wins. They wud have to grovel to us :-) rather than us grovelling to them. They screw us over time after time and we let em get away with it.

I say we give em a kick up the backside by going for green and respect and other similar organisations.

Id stay away from bnp and ukip tho, dont particularly fancy supporting the rise of nazi fascists in our country. My grandfather faught to keep nazis out of britain and was a paratrooper in the 6th airborne and faught in normandy to liberate europe from fascism. He'd turn in his grave if he knew whats going on now with the rise of the far right.

Moderate alternative parties are the way forward imo and deserve our support. The main 3 are a bunch of tossers

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conservatives have taxed just about everyone except the incredibly wealthy. The millionairres of the uk saved about £40,000 each from the new tax rate.

It beggars belief that they wud get away with taxing the poor, elderly, students etc while giving massive savings to millionairres and still garner support from anyone except their millionairres beneficiaries.

Why do we continue to vote for these idiots?

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also, if we always hold the view that a vote for anyone except labour liberal conservative is a wasted vote then we will be at their beck and call forever. They have gotten complacent and feel they have their places secure forever. George galloway was a big shock to them. They are the same as each other and are screwing us over. Im happy george galloway won bradford. Only if at some point the masses lose this brain shackle that we must always vote for the big three, will we break free from their shackles.

I think green and respect is well worth it as at least we can help boost their credibility and move them towards being seen as an alternative.

Think of the shock the establishment wud receive if other parties started gaining huge wins. They wud have to grovel to us :-) rather than us grovelling to them. They screw us over time after time and we let em get away with it.

I say we give em a kick up the backside by going for green and respect and other similar organisations.

Id stay away from bnp and ukip tho, dont particularly fancy supporting the rise of nazi fascists in our country. My grandfather faught to keep nazis out of britain and was a paratrooper in the 6th airborne and faught in normandy to liberate europe from fascism. He'd turn in his grave if he knew whats going on now with the rise of the far right.

Moderate alternative parties are the way forward imo and deserve our support. The main 3 are a bunch of tossers

UKIP fascists? Are you sure? After reading this article in the Daily Telegraph a couple of years ago I thought Nigel Farage was quite liberal. I'm a frequent visitor to London, but am not eligible to vote in the mayoral election. Nevertheless, if I were a Londoner I'd be strongly tempted to vote UKIP if they're fielding a candidate. Nigel Farage's liberal views on prostitution are about half way down the page.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/8128877/Nigel-Farage-born-to-rant.html

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he's not as bad as the bnp ill admit but he's still a racist. I dont have time for people who make immigration and race a key issue. With all due respect, if we are to stick to our own principles on immigration, shudnt we be taking in millions of white americans and australians as they are immgrants who have flooded two continents. I find it arrogance to view these lands as belonging to white people. I dont like people who make an issue out of race or immigration.

I have bigger more pressing issues facing me. Like the dreadful state of our economy whilst we waste billions on war, our politicians took liberties with expenses, bailed out banks for billions and then paid them bonuses, the rich were handed thousands on a platter this budget whilst the poor were mugged for more of what little they have left, so i wont be distracted by non issues and scare mongering, its clear the real criminals are messing us about and then distracting us with muslim this immigrant that. Ppl are more worked up about immigrants than our own politicians robbing us blind. Id love it if we sent em a good strong message by voting in alternative parties like green, respect, the socialist parties etc.

Its good that he has liberal views on prostitution but politicians make u turns all the time, dont expect him to do anything he says he'd do. I think he's britains answer to le penne or sarcozy. I dont want to live in a country that thrives off attacking ethnic minorities. As i mentioned, my grandfather was a staunch anti fascist and protected this country so we cud live in a decent society devoid of these ideas. We colonised, enslaved and robbed the world blind for centuries and now we have a cheek to complain about them coming here. We support dictators in their lands that make them unbearable to live in whilst we mine all their gold and diamonds so we can stay rich and then dont like when they want some dignity for themselves by emmigrating. Ill never support someone who uses ethnic minorities for political points. Rather vote in the monster raving looney party

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Fair enough. I'm not British, and it sounds like you clearly know a lot more about UKIP than I do.

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he's not as bad as the bnp ill admit but he's still a racist. I dont have time for people who make immigration and race a key issue. With all due respect, if we are to stick to our own principles on immigration, shudnt we be taking in millions of white americans and australians as they are immgrants who have flooded two continents. I find it arrogance to view these lands as belonging to white people. I dont like people who make an issue out of race or immigration.

I have bigger more pressing issues facing me. Like the dreadful state of our economy whilst we waste billions on war, our politicians took liberties with expenses, bailed out banks for billions and then paid them bonuses, the rich were handed thousands on a platter this budget whilst the poor were mugged for more of what little they have left, so i wont be distracted by non issues and scare mongering, its clear the real criminals are messing us about and then distracting us with muslim this immigrant that. Ppl are more worked up about immigrants than our own politicians robbing us blind. Id love it if we sent em a good strong message by voting in alternative parties like green, respect, the socialist parties etc.

Its good that he has liberal views on prostitution but politicians make u turns all the time, dont expect him to do anything he says he'd do. I think he's britains answer to le penne or sarcozy. I dont want to live in a country that thrives off attacking ethnic minorities. As i mentioned, my grandfather was a staunch anti fascist and protected this country so we cud live in a decent society devoid of these ideas. We colonised, enslaved and robbed the world blind for centuries and now we have a cheek to complain about them coming here. We support dictators in their lands that make them unbearable to live in whilst we mine all their gold and diamonds so we can stay rich and then dont like when they want some dignity for themselves by emmigrating. Ill never support someone who uses ethnic minorities for political points. Rather vote in the monster raving looney party

wanting to discuss immigartion isnt racist, you muppet. Its part of the discussion on how we want our country to be.

saying i dont want no more blacks to come here is racist. saying we should restrict immigration because we dont have re resources to cope with them is rational discussion. Saying we want to restrict immigrationbecause we need to employ our unemplaoyed who are here is rational discussion. Even saying we need people who come here to be able to read and write English, and to have a points system so only those skills we need come her is rational discussion.

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UKIP fascists? Are you sure? After reading this article in the Daily Telegraph a couple of years ago I thought Nigel Farage was quite liberal. I'm a frequent visitor to London, but am not eligible to vote in the mayoral election. Nevertheless, if I were a Londoner I'd be strongly tempted to vote UKIP if they're fielding a candidate. Nigel Farage's liberal views on prostitution are about half way down the page.

http://www.telegraph...rn-to-rant.html

I agree. I'm a bit of a mix between a conservative and a liberal and UKIP would be the right choice for me. UKIP has members of all races and their manifesto isn't racist at all, just common sense imho.

I'm pretty sure that they will overtake the Libdems in the next general election (my prediction is UKIP 11 percent- Libdem8).

And I think they will finish first in the next European elections.

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. Even saying we need people who come here to be able to read and write English, and to have a points system so only those skills we need come her is rational discussion.

Teaching most English people to read and write English would be something :lol:

(that's not a personal dig....just a reflection on our society as a whole.)

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wanting to discuss immigartion isnt racist, you muppet. Its part of the discussion on how we want our country to be.

saying i dont want no more blacks to come here is racist. saying we should restrict immigration because we dont have re resources to cope with them is rational discussion. Saying we want to restrict immigrationbecause we need to employ our unemplaoyed who are here is rational discussion. Even saying we need people who come here to be able to read and write English, and to have a points system so only those skills we need come her is rational discussion.

Or even restricting entry to people who don't have the equivalent of A*-C GCSE English (and potentially Maths too). ;)

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