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I see on todays The Big Questions which starts at 10am on BBC1 one of the discussion topics will be paid sex. They have an anti MP and an ex-WG who punted with Wayne Rooney. Its focussed on whether young women should become WGs.

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Just watched it Smiths and to quote Albert Steptoe"A load of old cobbler".

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I thought the two women seeking to get the facts right and focussing on the difference between street-walking druggies and women working indoors of their own free will did an excellent job. The gorgeous girl who had been an escort but was in favour of increasing the age limit to 21 also at least knew what they were talking about. For once the usual clich├ęs and pre-conceptions were at least challenged. Even George McCoy was quite sensible. If you can find it on the BBC website, it's well worth watching.

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I see on todays The Big Questions which starts at 10am on BBC1 one of the discussion topics will be paid sex. They have an anti MP and an ex-WG who punted with Wayne Rooney. Its focussed on whether young women should become WGs.
Interesting debate. Nicky Campbell introduced it by saying there are many woman working on the streets who are on heroin.

Catherine Stephens of the IUSW was excellent in my view making many good points and is opposed to this change of law.

John Mann MP is wanting to bring in a bill making it illegal to punt with women under 21. He says this will basically protect more vulnerable people, when it was mentioned that in this country a person is legally an adult at 18 he had no cohesive reply as to why being an adult and thus taking personal responsibility for what you freely do at 18 needs to be 21 where prostitution is concerned.

George McCoy was also on it and couldnt answer the question how he knows a WG is 18 and not younger, he said its not something he asks.

Helen Wood was the ex-WG and actually said at the end if a woman freely decides to become a WG at 18 then thats her responsibility.

A lawyer pointed out there are already enough laws regarding punting and i was expecting her to then say and in some cases they arent being adhered to and yet the police do nothing about them. She didnt. There was much talk about street workers and another ex-WG made some very good points that its not by a long way all about street workers. A guy then made the good point that its the traffickers that need catching and dealt with, according to Mann he hasnt any trafficked women in his area, it was pointed out how does he know that, he again had no cohesive response. The fact is he cant know for definite that he doesnt. So in my opinion Mann is clueless as regards all the facts regarding prostitution.

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cool, is it on iplayer?

Absolutely no idea. :)

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I see on todays The Big Questions which starts at 10am on BBC1 one of the discussion topics will be paid sex. They have an anti MP and an ex-WG who punted with Wayne Rooney. Its focussed on whether young women should become WGs.

Missed it !! :mad:

Can it be downloaded in any way ?

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The gorgeous girl who had been an escort but was in favour of increasing the age limit to 21 .

That would be almost impossible to enforce, how would punters know for sure that the girl was 21+, how many girls would be prepared to show ID in the form of a driving licence or passport. ??????????

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Missed it !! :mad:

Can it be downloaded in any way ?

I have absolutely no idea. :)

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Missed it !! :mad:

Can it be downloaded in any way ?

You missed it ? You should have been on the panel , after reading that thread you started yesterday :D

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Interesting debate. Nicky Campbell introduced it by saying there are many woman working on the streets who are on heroin.

Catherine Stephens of the IUSW was excellent in my view making many good points and is opposed to this change of law.

John Mann MP is wanting to bring in a bill making it illegal to punt with women under 21. He says this will basically protect more vulnerable people, when it was mentioned that in this country a person is legally an adult at 18 he had no cohesive reply as to why being an adult and thus taking personal responsibility for what you freely do at 18 needs to be 21 where prostitution is concerned.

George McCoy was also on it and couldnt answer the question how he knows a WG is 18 and not younger, he said its not something he asks.

Helen Wood was the ex-WG and actually said at the end if a woman freely decides to become a WG at 18 then thats her responsibility.

A lawyer pointed out there are already enough laws regarding punting and i was expecting her to then say and in some cases they arent being adhered to and yet the police do nothing about them. She didnt. There was much talk about street workers and another ex-WG made some very good points that its not by a long way all about street workers. A guy then made the good point that its the traffickers that need catching and dealt with, according to Mann he hasnt any trafficked women in his area, it was pointed out how does he know that, he again had no cohesive response. The fact is he cant know for definite that he doesnt. So in my opinion Mann is clueless as regards all the facts regarding prostitution.

Excellent synopsis, smiths. I'm hopeless at remembering names.

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I hardly think Helen Wood she be held up as an example of the profession - as the woman who blabbed to the gutter press re wayne rooney she is a very bad example of an honest wg and will say any old guff to get on telly for 15 minutes.

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i'm glad the difference between street work and other sex work is finally being recognized. i started out on the street as a kid...it was incredibly traumatic and damaging....not at all like my time spent in parlours. nearly all women on the street are being pimped. the difference is huge, yet when people think of prostitution, they immediately think of street workers and forget about the rest of it.

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did anyone else see this? had george mcoy and catherine stephens (iusw) debating john mann m.p. private members bill.

had actually asked to be in the audience before i knew what the topic was going to be,shame i was'nt invited to be part of the audience as i would have liked to take part.

the presenter seemed to be sceptical that the law was needed

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You missed it ? You should have been on the panel , after reading that thread you started yesterday :D

No, YOU should have been !! ha,ha :D

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McCoy made a couple of useful points namely:

1. We are prepeared to send a 17 year old to war, so why prevent an 18 year old from entering into the piad sex trade so long as it's her own choice?

2. If a girl decides to work in a parlour in a different area and needs to be driven to her place of work, then apparently this counts as trafficking. No wonder the figures are so exaggerated.

As per usual, it was a difficult task trying to disentangle the happles drug addicted street worker from the strong-willed self-determined young woman who makes an informed choice to work in an establishment.

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sorry,already posted about this in the legalities section!

interesting debate,was hoping to get on the show as it was meant to be in bury but never heard anything back.

john mann replaced a retiring m.p. labours joe ashton who was once caught up in a brothel raid where there were trafficked women!

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John Mann MP is wanting to bring in a bill making it illegal to punt with women under 21. He says this will basically protect more vulnerable people, when it was mentioned that in this country a person is legally an adult at 18 he had no cohesive reply as to why being an adult and thus taking personal responsibility for what you freely do at 18 needs to be 21 where prostitution is concerned.

Why are under 21's vulnerable where prostitution is concerned but it is totally acceptable to send under 21's to the front line in Afghanistan, these politicians really are clueless.

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did anyone else see this? had george mcoy and catherine stephens (iusw) debating john mann m.p. private members bill. had actually asked to be in the audience before i knew what the topic was going to be,shame i was'nt invited to be part of the audience as i would have liked to take part. the presenter seemed to be sceptical that the law was needed

Yes, i posted a thread on the main board just before it started and gave my synopsis afterwards. No it shouldnt is my answer because in this country a person is adjudged to be an adult at 18 and thus assuming they have free choice are responsible for their own actions.

Mann was poor in my view showing he didnt have a good grasp of prostitution. He even said he knew he didnt have any trafficked women in his area and when asked how he knew that he blustered, the fact is he cant know that for definite.

A lawyer made the good point that there are already many laws regarding prostitution, she didnt then follow up with yet the police dont enforce them in many areas which wasnt discussed at all.

Stephens made some excellent points as did an ex-WG who was very vocal throughout and opposed to this bill.

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I saw this and it was cringy in parts, people calling us immoral, implying all prostitutes are desperate and on drugs etc, the same rhetoric as always. The VERY loud woman made good points to seperate street vs indoor but she just wouldn't stop interupting and that annoyed me.. it's a law against punters and i'm certainly not in favour of it. If an 18 year old wants to work as a wg, let her and protect her.

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We will only form sound honest policies when they are based on information from reliable and truthful data; that surrounding the sex trade is anything but.

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sorry,already posted about this in the legalities section! interesting debate,was hoping to get on the show as it was meant to be in bury but never heard anything back. john mann replaced a retiring m.p. labours joe ashton who was once caught up in a brothel raid where there were trafficked women!

And Mann made a point of saying there werent any trafficked women in his area which i assume meant constituency, when asked how he knew this he had no cohesive response, the fact is he cant know he doesnt of course. Just gives an insight into his thinking, ignorant being about right going on what he said in my view.

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