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Is Being Caught Red-handed Different In A Sexless Marriage?

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Following on from Lancelot's interesting thread about unfortunately being caught out by his partner, I've been wondering about my own situation.

From what I can gather, a lot of men in long-term relationships punt because they either have a sex drive that outstrips that of their partner or because they want to be intimate with more than one partner. In those situations, I can understand a wife/girlfriend being upset because, apart from anything else, their man has chosen to have sex with another woman over having sex with them. But what if a couple aren't sexually active anyway?

My wife and I haven't made love for quite a few years (actually, it adds up to about half the time we've been married). It's her choice and although she says that she's not happy about feeling this way, she's not interested in counselling or therapy to see if that might help either. We're affectionate with each other and are still in love.

Nearly two years ago I went from wishing I could have sex with my wife to just wishing I could have sex, full stop. I really missed the intimacy and release. I didn't want to have an affair because that, to me, would involve a romantic attachment of some sort and I already have a woman I'm in love with. So, I started to visit escorts.

My question here is: how would she react if she found out my activities? I'm not choosing to have sex with other women instead of with her because we don't have sex anyway. If our sex life reappeared (which seems unlikely) then I'd give all this up immediately. Part of me really wants to be honest with her about it anyway, but I'm afraid that wouldn't be a good idea.

Any thoughts from the ladies and gentlemen here would be much appreciated!

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From what I can gather, a lot of men in long-term relationships punt because they either have a sex drive that outstrips that of their partner or because they want to be intimate with more than one partner. In those situations, I can understand a wife/girlfriend being upset because, apart from anything else, their man has chosen to have sex with another woman over having sex with them. But what if a couple aren't sexually active anyway?

My wife and I haven't made love for quite a few years (actually, it adds up to about half the time we've been married). It's her choice and although she says that she's not happy about feeling this way, she's not interested in counselling or therapy to see if that might help either. We're affectionate with each other and are still in love.

Nearly two years ago I went from wishing I could have sex with my wife to just wishing I could have sex, full stop. I really missed the intimacy and release. I didn't want to have an affair because that, to me, would involve a romantic attachment of some sort and I already have a woman I'm in love with. So, I started to visit escorts.

My question here is: how would she react if she found out my activities? I'm not choosing to have sex with other women instead of with her because we don't have sex anyway. If our sex life reappeared (which seems unlikely) then I'd give all this up immediately. Part of me really wants to be honest with her about it anyway, but I'm afraid that wouldn't be a good idea.

Any thoughts from the ladies and gentlemen here would be much appreciated!

Firstly, sorry to hear about your situation. Addressing the comments in bold I'd say this. Marriage vows almost always preclude sex with outside of the marriage so the vows become meaningless if either partner strays. Saying that, some couples are able - I don't know how - to have trusting but open relationships, and that's their business. As for wife not wanting sex but also not wanting to try to address the problem, it's an awful situation for you, and again, reverse the situation and I'm sure her girlfriends would be all too understanding if she jumped into bed with a bad boy chancer.

If I were in your shoes, and I'm not, I'd insist on some kind of reolution to the situation, even if that ultimately be divorce. However, if she understood that living as a loving couple without sex meant that sex would be sought elsewhere, it would be strange but maybe I could live with that. But as we know, women are very unlikely to be so understanding.

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Marriage vows almost always preclude sex with outside of the marriage so the vows become meaningless if either partner strays.

But also, from the Church of England marriage service:

The gift of marriage brings husband and wife together

in the delight and tenderness of sexual union

So when one partner decides they no longer want to go along with this important element, they have also broken the vows IMHO.

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But also, from the Church of England marriage service:

The gift of marriage brings husband and wife together

in the delight and tenderness of sexual union

So when one partner decides they no longer want to go along with this important element, they have also broken the vows IMHO.

isnt there a bit about 'with my body i thee worship. I thought that was sex too.

failing to consumate a marriage is grounds for an annulment.

difficulty is when she has done her duty once then thats that in the eyes of the law.

there again what has all this mumbo jumbo got to do with real life.

and lest we forget, women are as capable of adultery as men are.

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It was in quite early days, I came home from a job abroad and started a conversation with "I have confession to make". Before I got any further she jumped in with "That's all right, you were more than 300miles away and in another country" In fact I was feeling guilty about buying myself a rather expensive watch.I didn't take up the implied permission for another 15 years.

Years later, but still before she gave up on it entirely, she ended a very good but retrained half hour with " if you rally want wilder sex, just don't do it in this bed!"

I never have

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Following on from Lancelot's interesting thread about unfortunately being caught out by his partner, I've been wondering about my own situation. From what I can gather, a lot of men in long-term relationships punt because they either have a sex drive that outstrips that of their partner or because they want to be intimate with more than one partner. In those situations, I can understand a wife/girlfriend being upset because, apart from anything else, their man has chosen to have sex with another woman over having sex with them. But what if a couple aren't sexually active anyway? My wife and I haven't made love for quite a few years (actually, it adds up to about half the time we've been married). It's her choice and although she says that she's not happy about feeling this way, she's not interested in counselling or therapy to see if that might help either. We're affectionate with each other and are still in love. Nearly two years ago I went from wishing I could have sex with my wife to just wishing I could have sex, full stop. I really missed the intimacy and release. I didn't want to have an affair because that, to me, would involve a romantic attachment of some sort and I already have a woman I'm in love with. So, I started to visit escorts. My question here is: how would she react if she found out my activities? I'm not choosing to have sex with other women instead of with her because we don't have sex anyway. If our sex life reappeared (which seems unlikely) then I'd give all this up immediately. Part of me really wants to be honest with her about it anyway, but I'm afraid that wouldn't be a good idea. Any thoughts from the ladies and gentlemen here would be much appreciated!

Whether its different or not depends how your partner would view it. My advice is to do what suits you and makes you happy, others morality is their morality, you have your own as we all do.

What i find helps in punting is to be a selfish, good at lying arsehole who feels no guilt, it makes it so much easier. Personally i seperate punting which is for the sex and variety of different women and love which is so much more than just sex. Having had an affair myself that was far more damaging to me emotionally than punting.

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isnt there a bit about 'with my body i thee worship. I thought that was sex too. failing to consumate a marriage is grounds for an annulment. difficulty is when she has done her duty once then thats that in the eyes of the law. there again what has all this mumbo jumbo got to do with real life. and lest we forget, women are as capable of adultery as men are.

It depends if you have agreed to this mumbo jumbo for some i assume. I wouldnt agree to such a concept so have never and will never get married but punting only offers me sex, i require more than just sex though. I find monogamy a sickening thought, one woman for ever, not in this lifetime but good on those that are happy with such a thing. ;)

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dont confess to your wife, you will only hurt her and possibly break up your marriage. Noone gains anything.

Do your punting and be a great kind loving husband.

Perhaps converting to islam is an option lol so you can have multiple wives, that seems to solve the issue of not wanting to commit adultery and wanting multiple sex partners

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But also, from the Church of England marriage service:

The gift of marriage brings husband and wife together

in the delight and tenderness of sexual union

So when one partner decides they no longer want to go along with this important element, they have also broken the vows IMHO.

I agree. Whilst I wasn't referring in a religious sense to the problem the OP described, I think it us unrealistic to expect a man to remain in a sexless marriage. At the same time it is unrealistic to expect a woman to tolerate her husband having sec with other women.

I'm afraid if I were the OP, unless there was some movement on wife's part, I'd see only one logical conclusion. :(

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It was in quite early days, I came home from a job abroad and started a conversation with "I have confession to make". Before I got any further she jumped in with "That's all right, you were more than 300miles away and in another country" In fact I was feeling guilty about buying myself a rather expensive watch.I didn't take up the implied permission for another 15 years.

Years later, but still before she gave up on it entirely, she ended a very good but retrained half hour with " if you rally want wilder sex, just don't do it in this bed!"

I never have

:) Every married man's idea of the perfect wife , you're a lucky man .

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My wife knows that I punt and actually approves, in fact she has given me a quota! It is strange how it all came about. I guess it started when she discovered my porno collection before we were even married (about 20 years ago now). Rather than being annoyed about it and storming out like some women would, she just said she didn't mind if I looked at other girls as long as I didn't touch them. Just after we were married, I was invited to a stag night and rather than pretend I was just going for a drink with the lads, I told her openly and again she was not the slightest bit bothered. After the kids were born, our sex life kind of petered out to just a few fucks a year and I was getting most of my satisfaction from magazines - not good. One day I asked her if she would mind if I went up to some of the pole dancing clubs in London as the magazines were not really doing it for me any more. She was fine with that so I did that for a year or so but they soon became boring just like the mags had. It was my missus that suggested that I went to a full service party to spice things up a little more. I explained that they would involve touching as well as looking and she said she was happy for me to do anything I liked as long as I did not fuck anyone - I agreed and after each party I went home and explained what I had been up to, I progressed slowly from just feeling to licking and then on to blow jobs and each time I would tell my wife exactly what had happened and each time she seemed to get more turned on by it. This went on for a while and then one day, quite out of the blue, my wife said, "you would love to fuck one of those girls wouldn't you?" I lied, of course, and said no, because that would be unfair on you. Her reply to that was that it would be more unfair of her to both deprive me of sex herself and then stop me from getting it elsewhere - I could not believe my luck! Anyway, one thing has led to another and I now have an annual quota of five girls a year. All my wife asks is that I always let her know what I am up to. The deal is strictly no bareback which is fine by me. I'm happy, she's happy and our marriage is much stronger for it. I often ask her if she is really okay with the arrangement and she is adamant that she is. In fact, we have more sex together now than we used to simply because she gets so turned on when I talk about my last punt that I end up getting it twice in one day!

I know all women are different, I would not recommend just telling the missus that you are punting! It took me nearly 20 years to go from getting away with having a wank over a copy of Mayfair to getting permission to visit an escort every couple of months. But is was worth the wait, because I have now slept with quite a lot of girls since I first met my wife, yet I have never been unfaithful to her once and I cannot get caught out which takes all the pressure off.

When you think about it, all my wife is doing is taking control of something in order to stop something worse happening. She has worked out that it is better to let me screw other girls on her terms than for me to have a secret affair and end up running of with some younger girl leaving her in the lurch. She knows that escorts only do it for the money and that offers her some kind of assurance. I don't know how many other people are in my shoes, but I consider my self to be a very very lucky man with an excellent sex life!

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Following on from Lancelot's interesting thread about unfortunately being caught out by his partner, I've been wondering about my own situation.

From what I can gather, a lot of men in long-term relationships punt because they either have a sex drive that outstrips that of their partner or because they want to be intimate with more than one partner. In those situations, I can understand a wife/girlfriend being upset because, apart from anything else, their man has chosen to have sex with another woman over having sex with them. But what if a couple aren't sexually active anyway?

My wife and I haven't made love for quite a few years (actually, it adds up to about half the time we've been married). It's her choice and although she says that she's not happy about feeling this way, she's not interested in counselling or therapy to see if that might help either. We're affectionate with each other and are still in love.

Nearly two years ago I went from wishing I could have sex with my wife to just wishing I could have sex, full stop. I really missed the intimacy and release. I didn't want to have an affair because that, to me, would involve a romantic attachment of some sort and I already have a woman I'm in love with. So, I started to visit escorts.

My question here is: how would she react if she found out my activities? I'm not choosing to have sex with other women instead of with her because we don't have sex anyway. If our sex life reappeared (which seems unlikely) then I'd give all this up immediately. Part of me really wants to be honest with her about it anyway, but I'm afraid that wouldn't be a good idea.

Any thoughts from the ladies and gentlemen here would be much appreciated!

Sorry to hear about this situation Grendel. Society's general view on your behaviour is that you are cheating and betraying trust no matter how trying the circumstances. Against that however is the fact that your situation is extreme. Most humans need to have sex and even though you are betraying her, your wife must realise that you have needs.

Maybe her reaction to finding out would be that she's not surprised but I am sure that she would be hurt that you have deceived her. If you are both happy and in love (albeit with the rather important physical side missing) then you have the option to leave things as they are? If you can live with the guilt that is. I wouldn't be too hard on yourself though, she must realise that denying you any sex must be torture for you especially as she does not want to try counseilling or similar which strikes me as pretty selfish. She's made "a choice" and expects you to live with it so she shouldn't be too shocked if you see escorts. As you say you have made a positive decision not to get emotionally involved with someone which I think is a greater betrayal than a pure physical sexual release. Everybody and every relationship is different of course - best of luck....

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Following on from Lancelot's interesting thread about unfortunately being caught out by his partner, I've been wondering about my own situation.

From what I can gather, a lot of men in long-term relationships punt because they either have a sex drive that outstrips that of their partner or because they want to be intimate with more than one partner. In those situations, I can understand a wife/girlfriend being upset because, apart from anything else, their man has chosen to have sex with another woman over having sex with them. But what if a couple aren't sexually active anyway?

My wife and I haven't made love for quite a few years (actually, it adds up to about half the time we've been married). It's her choice and although she says that she's not happy about feeling this way, she's not interested in counselling or therapy to see if that might help either. We're affectionate with each other and are still in love.

Nearly two years ago I went from wishing I could have sex with my wife to just wishing I could have sex, full stop. I really missed the intimacy and release. I didn't want to have an affair because that, to me, would involve a romantic attachment of some sort and I already have a woman I'm in love with. So, I started to visit escorts.

My question here is: how would she react if she found out my activities? I'm not choosing to have sex with other women instead of with her because we don't have sex anyway. If our sex life reappeared (which seems unlikely) then I'd give all this up immediately. Part of me really wants to be honest with her about it anyway, but I'm afraid that wouldn't be a good idea.

Any thoughts from the ladies and gentlemen here would be much appreciated!

If you are already actively punting then you have already made your decision IMO. The one optimistic thing is that you do feel some guilt for your actions but continuing to visit prostitutes will not solve your marital issues. I think this is how many married men start out but when they discover the highly adicitve world of punting there is no going back.

Spok out.

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Thanks for your comments so far, and for the good wishes too :)

Would I be correct in assuming that those who've suggested a divorce aren't actually married themselves? There's more to marriage than 'sex on tap' and, as I've said, I'm in love with my wife and have absolutely no desire for us to part. Having had a few years of a regularly intimate relationship and then having that intimacy just stop is pretty difficult to deal with though.

Spok's right in that I've made my decision to punt, but I'm interested in how my wife might view it bearing in mind our particular circumstances. I think I agree with the posters who've said it wouldn't be a good idea to just tell her, but I do wonder how she'd react if I floated the idea as a hypothetical question. Mind you, how she'd feel about a possible situation compared to an actual fact might be very different!

If the ladies here have any opinions/advice/insight then please chip in!

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If there's one thing that's shocked me since I started escorting, it's the dishonesty that exists in relationships between men and women. I really can't understand how couples can go on year after year, having unsatisfactory or non existent sex lives and pretend it isn't happening, whilst one half of the couple sneaks off and has sex elsewhere.

Personally I think it's better to discuss the situation that exists between you and in your case Grendel, I'd tell her that you're unhappy and ask her what she thinks you should do.

I think it's terribly unfair that some women ( and some men) go off sex for whatever reason and then expect their partner also to endure a sexless existence and if you love each other it should be possible to negotiate a solution that suits both of you.

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If there's one thing that's shocked me since I started escorting, it's the dishonesty that exists in relationships between men and women. I really can't understand how couples can go on year after year, having unsatisfactory or non existent sex lives and pretend it isn't happening, whilst one half of the couple sneaks off and has sex elsewhere.

Personally I think it's better to discuss the situation that exists between you and in your case Grendel, I'd tell her that you're unhappy and ask her what she thinks you should do.

I think it's terribly unfair that some women ( and some men) go off sex for whatever reason and then expect their partner also to endure a sexless existence and if you love each other it should be possible to negotiate a solution that suits both of you.

Dishonesty within marriage has always existed and always will, and not just in the sex department.

Couples go on year after with an unsatisfactory or non existent sex life as they still love each other, love their kids, love their whole lives with their partners etc,

To break up the marriage and family just because of lack of sex at home would be ridiculous in my opinion.

Divorce causes ripples in all sorts of ways.

Men and women can talk about getting the sex back in to their marriage to the cows come home, but actually putting that in to practise is easy said than done.

It takes two to lose the sex within the marriage.

Sex is not the be all and end all of being happy within a marriage, but I do accept that a man does have needs that are sometimes a lot stronger than the womans, especially after years of marriage to the same person.

Men who do sex this way to get their needs and desires for just the basic act of sex, or the ones who seek out more intimacy, do not do it lightly I should imagine.

The present Mr.Lucy went without sex for many a year in his previous marriage, he relied on his hand and porn.

He got a quick fix, but what he craved was the touch of a woman and just the intimacy of being with a woman.

Guys who seek us naughty ladies out have a lot of guts to go down this route,

I feel sorry for Lancelot as he has compromised his marriage, I feel sorry for his wife as well.

The ripples for him will always be there now what ever, as the trust has been lost.

Yet another warning to the guys to cover their tracks.

Grendel.....

You sound like you want to tell your wife about your activities.

Tread carefully there.

What a wife does not know does not hurt her..

Most wives would react badly and you could end up without the woman you love by confessing all.

I do meet with men who whose wives know they meet escorts, but they are few and far between.

They are the type who turn the blind eye as they do not want to lose their life style.

Lucy.

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Mr Grendel, I feel I've just read my own post, that really could be me. Specifically, I dont want an affair and also my wife, who's been asexual since our third, half our marriage like you, recognises the pain it causes - she just thinks i drink too much to compensate (which isnt a hardship) - but will not talk about it or seek counselling etc. I've given up on that now. Like you, I dont want divorce cos we really enjoy each others' company and have too much invested like the kids, home, savings, pensions etc. Cynical, maybe

However, I now recognise that i like this arrangement. I'm shagging super ladies 25 yrs younger than me who would never give me a second glance in Tiger Tiger - even if I had a VIP room. So we seem to have reached a form of equilibrium and to the outside world we're a comfortable, happy family, which we are but its a different model to most. And the children are happy. Critical

BUT ONE IMPORTANT POINT MR GRENDEL IS DONT SAY ANYTHING TO HER ABOUT YOUR HOBBY NOTWITHSTANDING I DETECT YOU WANT TO

Lucy7, who's posted above, is the wisest person on these boards. Read what she says. Keep shtum

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Great post, Lucy. Spot on as ever. Interesting that you suggested that we dont do this lightly. Agree, took me so long initially but glad I do. Love it

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:) Every married man's idea of the perfect wife , you're a lucky man .

If the fervour of the 1st ten years had beeb maintained, I'd be a happy man

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I do meet with men who whose wives know they meet escorts, but they are few and far between.

They are the type who turn the blind eye as they do not want to lose their life style.

Lucy.

A great post Lucy, but I don't entirely agree and I think that last sentence is a little disingenuous.

My wife does not just turn a blind eye to my punting, in fact she positively encourages it! She has come to realise that the fact that I have a much higher need for sex than she does could potentially cause a problem with our relationship if it was not dealt with. She has also realised that sex and love are not really as related as society would like to have us all believe. We have had long discussions about this and she takes a very philosophical view on the whole subject. She sees love as being about trust and making each other happy rather than about the ownership of sexual rights. Because I am and have always been very open about what I want and what I do with working girls, she trusts me. I have no needed to hide my tracks from her and I would never conciser having an affair. I love her, she loves me and we are genuinely happy. I have to say that the financial side of it does concern us both a bit which is why she has set me a quota of just 5 girls a year, but I am fine with that, after all sex is like a drug and if I had more, I would just want more which would not be good for the bank balance - Porn is cheap and life is a compromise.

As I said in my previous post, I know I am lucky and the status quo took many years to evolve, but not all women either forbid it or turn a blind eye and I would recommend testing the water albeit very carefully. Maybe suggest a porno film to try and spice up the sex and take if slowly from there. Build up the trust side and let her suggest the next move, you may get lucky - It worked for me and I didn't even plan it as such.

Would I still punt if things were different? - I don't really know - probably and I think my wife worked that out some years ago and just pre empted it to keep things on her terms.

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It takes two to lose the sex within the marriage.

Surely it only takes one?

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I think it's terribly unfair that some women ( and some men) go off sex for whatever reason and then expect their partner also to endure a sexless existence

Judging by my own case, and similar discussions on here, it seems that often the partner who is not as interested assumes that their other half feels the same way.

We've had "the talk" a few times, when I've expressed my desire for more frequent sex (probably 15-20 years ago, before I had started punting I suggested 2-3 times a week would be fine!) but after all the tears and a make-up shag things quickly return to how they were.

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Surely it only takes one?

There are a lot of contributory factors for the sex to stop within the marriage I feel.

Yes we all know that when the kids come along things change, it just happens.

The wife is busy being a Mother, working at times, keeping house,picking up from school, after school activities, running around like a blue arse fly half the time and the last thing on here mind is sex with hubby!

At the end of the day she wants to sleep and not get jiggy with the man who she used to be getting jiggy with all the time at one stage.

It just slowly happens over time and then before you know it, you have not done it for weeks, and then months, and then years.......not good at all.

A mans sexual needs are far greater to a womans in my non expert opinion.

I went without for 13 years......I now would find it hard to go without for 13 days!

For me personally I tried to get the sex back in my first marriage, but failed unfortunately due to my ex hubby having a few issues in other areas.

Like I typed before, having a good old talk is easy, but putting it in to practise is so bloody hard.

I meet with many men who say that they do not get sex at home.

They all seem to blame the wife, they never hold themselves accountable at all.

A few even said that they do not fancy their wives any more as the wife has let herself go.

I do wonder sometimes if these blokes who make those comments to me look in the mirror at themselves.

As much as a bloke has a great personality, if he also has let himself go and is seriously over weight and does not maintain his bushy eyebrows and nostril hair, is his wife after all those years going to lust after him in the same way as she once did?

I think not.

That is why I think it takes two for the sex to go within the marriage.

Now please do not read this post as a dig at all married men, as I clearly know that you are all unique and individual and each of your circumstances are different, and of course not all of you let yourselves go!

This is just one womans view point.

I could go on more, but most will get bored of reading my drivel, so time to stop!

Lucy :)

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Never get bored of you Lucy x

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There are a lot of contributory factors for the sex to stop within the marriage I feel.

Yes we all know that when the kids come along things change, it just happens.

The wife is busy being a Mother, working at times, keeping house,picking up from school, after school activities, running around like a blue arse fly half the time and the last thing on here mind is sex with hubby!

At the end of the day she wants to sleep and not get jiggy with the man who she used to be getting jiggy with all the time at one stage.

It just slowly happens over time and then before you know it, you have not done it for weeks, and then months, and then years.......not good at all.

A mans sexual needs are far greater to a womans in my non expert opinion.

I went without for 13 years......I now would find it hard to go without for 13 days!

For me personally I tried to get the sex back in my first marriage, but failed unfortunately due to my ex hubby having a few issues in other areas.

Like I typed before, having a good old talk is easy, but putting it in to practise is so bloody hard.

I meet with many men who say that they do not get sex at home.

They all seem to blame the wife, they never hold themselves accountable at all.

A few even said that they do not fancy their wives any more as the wife has let herself go.

I do wonder sometimes if these blokes who make those comments to me look in the mirror at themselves.

As much as a bloke has a great personality, if he also has let himself go and is seriously over weight and does not maintain his bushy eyebrows and nostril hair, is his wife after all those years going to lust after him in the same way as she once did?

I think not.

That is why I think it takes two for the sex to go within the marriage.

Now please do not read this post as a dig at all married men, as I clearly know that you are all unique and individual and each of your circumstances are different, and of course not all of you let yourselves go!

This is just one womans view point.

I could go on more, but most will get bored of reading my drivel, so time to stop!

Lucy :)

Lucy, your posts make interesting reading and I always look foward to your contributions on the threads on here. Wish you were based in London.

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