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Losing Grip On Reality Because Of The Things That Punting And Porn Shows Us

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In recognition of Lancelot's post.

I popose that we have lost a grip on reality because we punt and/or watch porn.

Lets face it, how many of think that it is quite normal behaviour to cum on our partners faces, shag the missus up the arse and then stick our willies in their mouths?

To have a lady on her knees squirming and moaning with pleasure during the act of sucking one off?

Hardly realistic is it?

IN response to Lancelot, its not the beauty that has made my punting unrealistic, but the acts that these ladies are prepared to carry out.

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Prepared to carry out?!! Prepared to carry out?!!

I'm spluttering over my coffee here. That sounds awful. There are women who are very into the idea of exploring sex and sexuality too you know? Some women LIKE anal sex and orgasm from it. Get off on the experience of making a guy's knees tremble. Enjoy oral.

Of course there are people, not just women, who are prepared to do anything for a quick buck despite it being unpalatable to them. I'm sorry if I am reading your post in the wrong way, but it just sounds as if you think all sex workers are some kind of brain dead, heartless, sex automatons who are prepared to utterly degrade themselves for money.

Same with porn. Of course there are performers who are very damaged, and prepared to degrade themselves for money. I have met a couple of people who do porn, and they seem very happy with it. And very far from that stereotype.

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In recognition of Lancelot's post.

I popose that we have lost a grip on reality because we punt and/or watch porn.

Lets face it, how many of think that it is quite normal behaviour to cum on our partners faces, shag the missus up the arse and then stick our willies in their mouths?

To have a lady on her knees squirming and moaning with pleasure during the act of sucking one off?

Hardly realistic is it?

IN response to Lancelot, its not the beauty that has made my punting unrealistic, but the acts that these ladies are prepared to carry out.

I agree, and it appears many girls offer what the punters watch in porn, hence services like Nuru or PSE exist

I often find it odd, when i punt that all i want is quite vanilla stuff

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Prepared to carry out?!! Prepared to carry out?!!

I'm spluttering over my coffee here. That sounds awful. There are women who are very into the idea of exploring sex and sexuality too you know? Some women LIKE anal sex and orgasm from it. Get off on the experience of making a guy's knees tremble. Enjoy oral.

Of course there are people, not just women, who are prepared to do anything for a quick buck despite it being unpalatable to them. I'm sorry if I am reading your post in the wrong way, but it just sounds as if you think all sex workers are some kind of brain dead, heartless, sex automatons who are prepared to utterly degrade themselves for money.

Same with porn. Of course there are performers who are very damaged, and prepared to degrade themselves for money. I have met a couple of people who do porn, and they seem very happy with it. And very far from that stereotype.

Well there are several people on here, such as spoksasshole and lancelot, (but pollyp23 isnt usually guilty of this), who are convinced that their own limited experiences/limited mentality/limited choices/ and limitations in general MUST apply to everyone else, and that if anyone dares claim that 'no thats not the case based on my experience', or 'no that doesnt apply to me' then theyre either deluded or liars.

Its just a typically stunted cul-de-sac mindset

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If I did all the fake moaning & groaning, I'd give myself a head-ache!

I enjoy oral, but vocalising while sucking is a distraction! 69 is a distraction! I like to concentrate on giving head.

I spoke to the Health Advisor when I picked my Cert. up last week, and if cum gets in your eye, you can get infections, including HIV.

Oh, and a UK "pornstar" has tested positive for a Nasty, they're awaiting a re-test before circulating the details.

Pornstars are not my sexual role models!

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Of course there are people, not just women, who are prepared to do anything for a quick buck despite it being unpalatable to them. I'm sorry if I am reading your post in the wrong way, but it just sounds as if you think all sex workers are some kind of brain dead, heartless, sex automatons who are prepared to utterly degrade themselves for money.

I don't think he is really talking about the WG at all. He is talking about the mindset of the guys. Guys who forget women are individuals and each will have a list of things they love/like/dislike/hate.

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Well there are several people on here, such as spoksasshole and lancelot, (but pollyp23 isnt usually guilty of this), who are convinced that their own limited experiences/limited mentality/limited choices/ and limitations in general MUST apply to everyone else, and that if anyone dares claim that 'no thats not the case based on my experience', or 'no that doesnt apply to me' then theyre either deluded or liars.

Its just a typically stunted cul-de-sac mindset

I take exception to that - you obviously don't consider carefully my posts.

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In recognition of Lancelot's post.

I popose that we have lost a grip on reality because we punt and/or watch porn.

Lets face it, how many of think that it is quite normal behaviour to cum on our partners faces, shag the missus up the arse and then stick our willies in their mouths?

To have a lady on her knees squirming and moaning with pleasure during the act of sucking one off?

Hardly realistic is it?

IN response to Lancelot, its not the beauty that has made my punting unrealistic, but the acts that these ladies are prepared to carry out.

All of the above seem quite normal; to me , outside of punting I have experienced them all .

What I find strange / abnormal is the guy who swears in all his married life , some 40 years , he has never had it away with another woman . I am convinced they are liars or zombies... I once told a guy like this what I had been up to over a weekend in London . He laughed his socks off and called me a liar.

I told him of a mmf encounter where me and a friend had both cum over the face of a girl me had met a few hours earlier . This was not a paid sex meeting , just your average fun some years ago .

I could go on , but don't want to come over as some type of sex god.

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I take exception to that - you obviously don't consider carefully my posts.

I was essentially defending newbie who said something to the effect of him believing that or in actuality that he has or could 'pull' girls as attractive as those that he punts with, and you seem to think this must be deluded fantasy on his part, or that if he 'can get them for free then why pay?'

i just dont see what the big deal is in believing Newbie's claim

Many people pay for sex for the ultimate convenience of a paid for and more or less guaranteed fantasy at the end of a phonecall, rather than the far from guaranteed, but possibly just as costly pulling attempt on a night out or other social situation

You browse the site, you phone the agency, you turn up, you pay, you enjoy yourself, you leave and thats that

If one cant afford this or struggles to find the cash to do it then yeah, its a big deal, but if you have the disposable readies ....wheres the problem, and whats so unbelievable ?

Newbie, myself or anyone else, reasonably fit, reasonably decent looking and personable cant go out and get guaranteed sex with civvie girls as and when the urge arises, but thats not to say he or anyone else wouldnt pull a reasonably attractive girl now and again

Punting DOES guarantee it, hence.......we punt !

Newbie is a young guy, hes had relationships, hes been out with girls, so whats so unbelievable about the thought of him being with civvie girls who are just as, if not more, attractive than those he punts with ?

I simply dont get your incredulity

What really is the big deal ?

I've been with civvie girls who are at least as physically attractive as girls I punt with, I've also been with girls who are more attractive and some who are less so

I cant imagine that this is uncommon either ?!

I'm sure there are plenty of posters on here who could or have pulled very attractive women also

(Or is it really just the scepticism of just a couple of truly out of shape, past it, old, ugly b*stards with zero social skills and no personality to speak of, absolute no-hopers, who are also so tight fistedly stingy and mean that there is no way in Hell theyd ever consider paying a woman for sex if they even remotely felt they could pull a half decent civvie girl ?)...........and really i'm just guessing here, because I genuinely dont get all this blanket unfounded disbelief.

To me it simply comes across as wretched bitterness and possibly envy ?

Or am i totally wrong Lancelot ?

Please tell me as I'm genuinely curious

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Sames as worldpunter, I have experienced many things it seems you would consider the confines of pron movies in real life. I've had a girlfriend who could squirt pint loads, I've had girlfriends who enjoyed anal, I had one girlfriend who literally could not get enough of me cumming on her face, to the point it was putting me off because she kept wanting more - the pressure, sheesh! I had one girlfriend who loved to be tied up and before me had a b/f who would take her to dungeons and she loved it. I thought I was bad!

You'll be surprised how many women have kinks and fantasies about sex that are 'porn' like. You just have to be in the kind of relationship where you are comfortable opening up about what you want to try. If you haven't met women who like this kind of thing I would think it's either you just haven't met the right women or you don't feel comfortable discussing sexual needs and wants with the partners you have met and stick to the 'vanilla' stuff.

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If you are paying for it you create your own reality but it would be foolish to expect the same in a relationship unless you find a woman who has the same tastes as you. We all have free reign to live the lives we desire so absolutley no hang-ups from me. Once you learn how to detach reality from Punting it's a far more rewarding experience. It's like having an alter-ego but the mask is quickly removed. It makes the task of finding the perfect mate far harder but challenging all the same.

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In recognition of Lancelot's post. I popose that we have lost a grip on reality because we punt and/or watch porn. Lets face it, how many of think that it is quite normal behaviour to cum on our partners faces, shag the missus up the arse and then stick our willies in their mouths? To have a lady on her knees squirming and moaning with pleasure during the act of sucking one off? Hardly realistic is it? IN response to Lancelot, its not the beauty that has made my punting unrealistic, but the acts that these ladies are prepared to carry out.

That's not how I read it Robert2. I read 'No nice girl would do these things, and we have lost our grip on reality by thinking that any girl would do that without being A PAID WHORE, cos it's DISGUSTING.' And not 'normal'.

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Oh the joy of a healthy debate!...lol.

As for my thoughts, well I see escorts as I know that they perform the sort of experiance I am after, and I dont get in my relationship, this is because the whole sexual act has been opened up to me and my mind is going to let it roam free as i try to discover new and varied experiances, whereas the wife like the same old usual vanilla stuff, nothing wrong with that, it just does me good to explore something and its going to help me to see escorts who like the type of booking im after.

In no way do I think this makes me lose grip on reality.

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I was essentially defending newbie who said something to the effect of him believing that or in actuality that he has or could 'pull' girls as attractive as those that he punts with, and you seem to think this must be deluded fantasy on his part, or that if he 'can get them for free then why pay?'

i just dont see what the big deal is in believing Newbie's claim

Many people pay for sex for the ultimate convenience of a paid for and more or less guaranteed fantasy at the end of a phonecall, rather than the far from guaranteed, but possibly just as costly pulling attempt on a night out or other social situation

You browse the site, you phone the agency, you turn up, you pay, you enjoy yourself, you leave and thats that

If one cant afford this or struggles to find the cash to do it then yeah, its a big deal, but if you have the disposable readies ....wheres the problem, and whats so unbelievable ?

Newbie, myself or anyone else, reasonably fit, reasonably decent looking and personable cant go out and get guaranteed sex with civvie girls as and when the urge arises, but thats not to say he or anyone else wouldnt pull a reasonably attractive girl now and again

Punting DOES guarantee it, hence.......we punt !

Newbie is a young guy, hes had relationships, hes been out with girls, so whats so unbelievable about the thought of him being with civvie girls who are just as, if not more, attractive than those he punts with ?

I simply dont get your incredulity

What really is the big deal ?

I've been with civvie girls who are at least as physically attractive as girls I punt with, I've also been with girls who are more attractive and some who are less so

I cant imagine that this is uncommon either ?!

I'm sure there are plenty of posters on here who could or have pulled very attractive women also

(Or is it really just the scepticism of just a couple of truly out of shape, past it, old, ugly b*stards with zero social skills and no personality to speak of, absolute no-hopers, who are also so tight fistedly stingy and mean that there is no way in Hell theyd ever consider paying a woman for sex if they even remotely felt they could pull a half decent civvie girl ?)...........and really i'm just guessing here, because I genuinely dont get all this blanket unfounded disbelief.

To me it simply comes across as wretched bitterness and possibly envy ?

Or am i totally wrong Lancelot ?

Please tell me as I'm genuinely curious

No it's not envy or bitterness. As you may know my situation is not that great at the moment but that does not cloud my judgement. Newbie's position is that punts have given him the confidence to pull lookers, more or less. So I question why pay for something you can get for nothing. It's not that unreasonable especially as he is single. Reading his other thread it now seems he only is interested in Thai girls and has written off the rest. I could speculate about his reasons for that but it would be worthless chatter I suppose. Based on what he has said - I assume his position now stands thus: I believe I can pull the Thai girl I want - but for reasons unstated I am and have been using Thai WGs.

I think it would be better to try and pull a Thai civvie girl and come back and say: "I have pulled". Saying that you can pull is not worth much especially when it is said on a punter's board where I suspect many or maybe even all single guys punt because they cannot or have not been able to pull what they want. Better to prove it first and then say it. I would pull up any braggart in a pub who claims he can knock out Amir Khan, or whoever - so why not do it on this board?

Also - it's my right to regard something as a big deal if I want just as you can accuse me of envy/bitterness as a result. OK?

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Prepared to carry out?!! Prepared to carry out?!!

I'm spluttering over my coffee here. That sounds awful. There are women who are very into the idea of exploring sex and sexuality too you know? Some women LIKE anal sex and orgasm from it. Get off on the experience of making a guy's knees tremble. Enjoy oral.

Of course there are people, not just women, who are prepared to do anything for a quick buck despite it being unpalatable to them. I'm sorry if I am reading your post in the wrong way, but it just sounds as if you think all sex workers are some kind of brain dead, heartless, sex automatons who are prepared to utterly degrade themselves for money.

Same with porn. Of course there are performers who are very damaged, and prepared to degrade themselves for money. I have met a couple of people who do porn, and they seem very happy with it. And very far from that stereotype.

Yes, I think you are reading it the wrong way, I meant no offence, lets see how others take it.

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I don't think he is really talking about the WG at all. He is talking about the mindset of the guys. Guys who forget women are individuals and each will have a list of things they love/like/dislike/hate.

Agreed!

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No it's not envy or bitterness. As you may know my situation is not that great at the moment but that does not cloud my judgement. Newbie's position is that punts have given him the confidence to pull lookers, more or less. So I question why pay for something you can get for nothing. It's not that unreasonable especially as he is single. Reading his other thread it now seems he only is interested in Thai girls and has written off the rest. I could speculate about his reasons for that but it would be worthless chatter I suppose. Based on what he has said - I assume his position now stands thus: I believe I can pull the Thai girl I want - but for reasons unstated I am and have been using Thai WGs.

I think it would be better to try and pull a Thai civvie girl and come back and say: "I have pulled". Saying that you can pull is not worth much especially when it is said on a punter's board where I suspect many or maybe even all single guys punt because they cannot or have not been able to pull what they want. Better to prove it first and then say it. I would pull up any braggart in a pub who claims he can knock out Amir Khan, or whoever - so why not do it on this board?

Also - it's my right to regard something as a big deal if I want just as you can accuse me of envy/bitterness as a result. OK?

Sure OK !

But it is a bit silly expecting some sort of 'proof' of 'pulling ability' to be provided on a forum

What'd you want ...........photographic/video evidence ?

A signed affidavit ?

Anyhow this is really a pointless and circular argument as youll never get the sort of 'proof' you want, and posters will 'pull' attractive women without paying and still continue to punt as well, whether you believe them or not, and other posters will have an attractive and sexy wife/gf at home and yet......... still punt.....whether you believe them or not..........and really.....so what ?!

Why would you care so much, or be in so much disbelief as to go so far as to request or expect 'proof' in the first place ?

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Well if men think this then they are meeting/marrying the wrong women! I have plenty of female friends who do and get off doing facials, anal and so on. Indeed, I do far kinkier things with my partner than I would dream of doing with a client and we do them because I enjoy them as much as he does. The things you mention are 'normal' in many relationships!

I didn't take the OPs post in quite the way Lovelyslut did, but I totally hear her sentiment that men seem to think we are some sort of special breed of women (OK, maybe we are in some ways).

The issue is as I see it so many men marry a nice sweet girl who fits in with their wifey ideals and will be a great mother to their children and then she becomes this and sits on a pedestal that you created and then you feel you can not ask her or broach the subject of your sexual desires and fantasies. On the same token she probably daren't ask about them either for fear you might think she was some kind of wanton slut!

However, porn is ridiculous in that all the squealing and squirming and panting is put on but most men are bright enough to notice if a woman is doing this in real life she is probably faking it!

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Sure OK !

But it is a bit silly expecting some sort of 'proof' of 'pulling ability' to be provided on a forum

What'd you want ...........photographic/video evidence ?

A signed affidavit ?

Anyhow this is really a pointless and circular argument as youll never get the sort of 'proof' you want, and posters will 'pull' attractive women without paying and still continue to punt as well, whether you believe them or not, and other posters will have an attractive and sexy wife/gf at home and yet......... still punt.....whether you believe them or not..........and really.....so what ?!

Why would you care so much, or be in so much disbelief as to go so far as to request or expect 'proof' in the first place ?

OK - keep your hair on. I never asked for proof - if newbie came back and said he'd found the dream thai non-wg and had pulled her i would accept that and say well done mate.

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i think it needs to be recognised that pornstars are not exactly actors. therefore what they are filmed doing is actually how they go about sex. also a lot of those porno type things do come about quite easily for most couples, but probably more so in the early years.

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In my opinion porn and punting are different...perhaps I am deluded but I personally don't do some of the things I have seen in porn.

I seem to repeat myself on all my posts....but I do like to have a chat etc before getting down to the dirty and don't do A stuff nor weeing on me.

We are NORMAL girls too, and have normal relationships, not as Lydia makes clear in her post a completely different breed of woman.

However, I will say that in my civvie life, it would probably take a few dates to get to do what people pay for in an hour, and of course, in a relationship it'd be different as I hope he actually wants to please me. When I see men in this context yes they want to please me sometimes, but it's not the same as in a relationship. Not worse, just different.

Some girls may do anything to get paid, but some of us just do what we would normally do!!

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In conclusion to the last post...I think it is porn that makes some men think that we love it up the bum and in our mouths and in our front bits all at the same time.....Some women do, but if people cannot differentiate reality from fantasy, this is where the problem lies.

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I'll admit that most porn does little for me, as it just seems far too fake - and I don't mean the acts being depicted, the people themselves seem fake. Punting has been very different to that for me so far, and the wgs I've met have been very real and down to earth, but that's the kind of girl that I'm choosing to see at the moment.

Some interesting points from the ladies here

I'm spluttering over my coffee here. That sounds awful. There are women who are very into the idea of exploring sex and sexuality too you know? Some women LIKE anal sex and orgasm from it. Get off on the experience of making a guy's knees tremble. Enjoy oral.

Certainly - someone in my past was like that - she wanted to try everything at least once, and she loved anal. She was far too adventurous for me if I'm honest, and ended up with a bad experience as she wouldn't respect my boundaries. I learnt a lot with her and from her, and some of what she wanted to try still frightens me!

This sentence has got me thinking as well...

I didn't take the OPs post in quite the way Lovelyslut did, but I totally hear her sentiment that men seem to think we are some sort of special breed of women (OK, maybe we are in some ways).

I think that you probably are a special breed of woman, but maybe not the way you'd think. There seems to be an inference that wgs are providing this sort of service because that's what the punters want, as in the "prepared to provide" comment from the OP. From those I've met so far I've formed the opinion that it's more a case that they were far more sexually open, and into exploring their sexuality anyway, before making the decision to make some money from it.

Of course I could be completely wrong, as I'm quite new to this!

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All of the above seem quite normal; to me , outside of punting I have experienced them all . What I find strange / abnormal is the guy who swears in all his married life , some 40 years , he has never had it away with another woman . I am convinced they are liars or zombies... I once told a guy like this what I had been up to over a weekend in London . He laughed his socks off and called me a liar. I told him of a mmf encounter where me and a friend had both cum over the face of a girl me had met a few hours earlier . This was not a paid sex meeting , just your average fun some years ago . I could go on , but don't want to come over as some type of sex god.

Good post and same here. What i always chuckle at are others experiences where they might not have experienced such things so think no one else has or that it doesnt go on, it certainly goes on.

I have a firm grip on reality and realise porn and punting are not the same as real life and the reason is emotions like love come into play in relationships and unlike porn or punting living a fantasy is not as easy as it might seem, i know i have tried. For me it became boring after a while and i needed a break back into shopping at Aldi and taking my car to get serviced. :)

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Perhaps I could offer a different slant on this one...losing grip on reality because of the things advertising and media shows us.

In recognition of the question posed by the OP.

I propose that many women have lost a grip on reality because - much more than men - they buy into the advertising and media that perpetuate the consumerism, celebrity cilture and image and material-driven 'values' of 21st century society.

Lets face it, how many think it is quite normal behaviour to follow the instructions of a trash magazine, let bad boy lookers and charmers shag them up the arse whilst keeping it strictly off limits for him indoors, plan their lives around soaps and reality TV, demand their men earn more and look better and then dump them when they hardly see them because they're too knackered from nothing but work and the gym?

To have a man on his knees begging and moaning with despair as she walks out, taking the kids with her, because she's 'bored'?

Hardly realistic is it?

IN response to the OP, it's not all men that have made punting their solution, but the unrealistic demands and expectations that many ladies have, and the lengths they are prepared to go to seeking what they believe they 'deserve'.

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