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The Sex Myth - Brooke Magnanti

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Just wondered if anyone has read this yet? I'm sure most of you know that Brooke Magnanti is the real name of the famous "Belle de Jour". Like to hear if anyone thinks it's worth buying before I splash the cash on it. Thanks

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If she was so tuned into the liberalism and freedom of sex she'd still be selling it. I don't buy into this myth that just because you have been a WG you know everything about sex and men.

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Yes, I've read it and I enjoyed it. It's more about statistics and how to judge the objective evidence behind the headlines rather than being about sex and men per se. The rather sad truth is that the people who really should read it probably never will, the people who will read it probably don't need convincing anyway.

If you're expecting this to be at all like Belle de Jour, you will be disappointed. It is quite a serious (although not heavy) attempt to put some balance back into the debate about pornography, prostitution and the rights of women and men to choose what to do with their own lives (and bodies). I would recommend it to anyone who has ever read a story in the press and thought, "Why doesn't someone stand up to these people and answer them back?".

Well done to Ms Magnanti for being willing to put her head above the parapet and do exactly that. I don't envy her the inevitable cloud of shit which is heading in her direction from the usual quarters. Over the next six months I suspect we will see a number of insidious articles appearing in the press which will attack her on personal grounds while completely ignoring the inconvenient truths she has highlighted in her book. C'est la guerre.

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I'm reading it. I'd echo brinjer's comments. Interesting and informative.

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I've had it on order from Amazon for a month have it down for delivery in March 2013 as not release yet.

How can you have already read it?

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Odd, Wyke Tyke.....it's available now for delivery in a day or so. Or so Amazon tells me. It was published on 3 May.

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I've just sent an email, obviously something wrong.

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I prefer to do it rather than read about it or even watch it on the box.

In the box, rather than on the box ( TeHe :) )

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Yes, it's an excellent read.

My only objection is to the publishers giving the author as "Dr Brooke Magnanti". That really is pooter-ish.

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Yes, it's an excellent read.

My only objection is to the publishers giving the author as "Dr Brooke Magnanti". That really is pooter-ish.

The lady's got a PhD. And the book is research methodology oriented. I see a very clear reason why her research background is important.

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The lady's got a PhD. And the book is research methodology oriented. I see a very clear reason why her research background is important.

Yes, but no serious academic is described on the title page and cover as "Dr..." The information would be given, if it were given, in the blurb.

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Yes, but no serious academic is described on the title page and cover as "Dr..." The information would be given, if it were given, in the blurb.

But it isn't an 'academic' book, it's one of those vaguely populist-but-reasonably-referenced jobs, like The Spirit Level.

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The lady's got a PhD.

And it is not in sex or relationships.

She is a brand associated with sex and it sells - she is making money so fair play to her. I have this notion that WG's and Punters know absolutely nothing about sex and relationships. I would pay top dollar to punt with her though, but she probably leads a very monogomous lifestyle at the moment. I loved the 'Secret Diary' but the cap doesn't fit with this one I'm afraid.

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To those who have read it, can someone give a quick precis of it's contents.

What is the myth?

How does she explode it??

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And it is not in sex or relationships.

She is a brand associated with sex and it sells - she is making money so fair play to her. I have this notion that WG's and Punters know absolutely nothing about sex and relationships. I would pay top dollar to punt with her though, but she probably leads a very monogomous lifestyle at the moment. I loved the 'Secret Diary' but the cap doesn't fit with this one I'm afraid.

No offence, Vulva Sailor, but the book's all how data has been misused in the construction of social myths about human sexual behaviour. She's a statistician, and she's very qualified to debunk common ideas about sex on the grounds that the evidence is tenuous.

I always find that criticising a book is easier when one has read it. ;)

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No offence, Vulva Sailor, but the book's all how data has been misused in the construction of social myths about human sexual behaviour. She's a statistician, and she's very qualified to debunk common ideas about sex on the grounds that the evidence is tenuous.

I always find that criticising a book is easier when one has read it. ;)

She's not a sex and relationships counsellor she researches cures for cancer. She doesn't debunk anything, she is in a monogomous relationship and can't quite grasp the concept of lust and making money and how they correlate. I would be more interesting in reading a book on why she doesn't sell sex (given the obvious financial rewards). She's a member here so maybe she can come on here and debate it with us. She won't - like a WG she is out to make money.

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Thanks for the replies folks. Apart from Vulvasailor (great name by the way!), it seems most think it's worth a look so I'll get my copy tomorrow. Of course, it will do nothing to deter the moral supremacists from their tedious and ill-informed tirades but at least it sounds as if it's a much needed voice from the other side of the argument

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What is the myth?

How does she explode it??

Myth 1: The differences between how men and women view sex

Myth 2: Sex addiction

Myth 3: Children are exposed to sex too young, and modern culture treats women like objects

Myth 4: Lap dance clubs cause rape

Myth 5: Pornography objectifies women

Myth 6: It is too easy to get hold of pornography on the internet and society is suffering as a result

Myth 7: Tens of thousands of women are trafficked into Britain as sex slaves

Myth 8: Making prositution illegal will stop women from being exploited

Myth 9: The people who oppose sex work and pornography are motivated by what is best for society

if you want to know how she refutes these, buy the book.

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She's not a sex and relationships counsellor

The book isn't about sex and relationships so how is this relevant?

she researches cures for cancer.

No, she doesn't. As far as I am aware, she has never done this. What she has done is statistical research in a variety of areas, including (I believe although I may be wrong) the epidemiology of certain cancers (that's a very different thing from researching a cure). I can't help feeling that the fact that she is a professional statistician does in fact qualify her to write a book about statistics, which is what this book is about.

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if you want to know how she refutes these, buy the book.

OK, will do...thanks for that!

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The book isn't about sex and relationships so how is this relevant?

Sex is entwined within relationships : It takes two people to have sex. I have an understanding of what the book is about but I have come to the conclusion that sex is not some generic philosophy that needs teaching and expert analysis, it is a spiritual adventure and enlightenment that is unique to each individual and dependant on many more factors. I don't think anybody can define freedom and liberalism in sex and lay it bare with statistics. I have a concern about the sexualisation of society and the common expression of men/women within that society. I just don't think Magnanto and Bindel are experts on sex but I respect them both.

No, she doesn't. As far as I am aware, she has never done this. What she has done is statistical research in a variety of areas, including (I believe although I may be wrong) the epidemiology of certain cancers (that's a very different thing from researching a cure). I can't help feeling that the fact that she is a professional statistician does in fact qualify her to write a book about statistics, which is what this book is about.

Her work is very important in the quest to find a cure for cancer so I wasn't that far off the mark.

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Yes, it's an excellent read.

My only objection is to the publishers giving the author as "Dr Brooke Magnanti". That really is pooter-ish.

I think that's unfair because:

1. Probably it was the publisher's choice (OK, she could veto it, but many authors reasonably leave that sort of thing to the publisher as marketing, a job they presumably know well)

2. It communicates useful information about the fact that she's a member of an unusual group of people: a ex sex worker with a background in science and statistics.

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If she was so tuned into the liberalism and freedom of sex she'd still be selling it. I don't buy into this myth that just because you have been a WG you know everything about sex and men.

WTF?

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