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Withheld Phone Numbers

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Bit one sided really. I often would like to book online but always they want my phone number. Now I don't have a problem with that, but I DO have a problem with the fact that I could be called at a very embarrassing moment. Don't tell me it won't happen because it does, and HAS. I had an agency (now busted) who would ring and hang up, a wg who won't stop texting or phoning at all times such that I've had to ditch the number, and return calls to email bookings I haven't been expecting. Its all very well expecting agency/ girl to expect my number be left behind but how do I explain to a casually inquisitive wife who asks a perfectly normal question like "who was that?" at 9:30 in the evening when watching CSI?

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Bit one sided really. I often would like to book online but always they want my phone number. Now I don't have a problem with that, but I DO have a problem with the fact that I could be called at a very embarrassing moment. Don't tell me it won't happen because it does, and HAS. I had an agency (now busted) who would ring and hang up, a wg who won't stop texting or phoning at all times such that I've had to ditch the number, and return calls to email bookings I haven't been expecting. Its all very well expecting agency/ girl to expect my number be left behind but how do I explain to a casually inquisitive wife who asks a perfectly normal question like "who was that?" at 9:30 in the evening when watching CSI?

Sorry about your bad experiences, completely unacceptable behaviour and not representative of all WGs or agencies. I'd advise getting a seperate punting SIM or phone, and being careful about who you decide to see.

Some ladies will answer and take booking from withheld numbers, but it's not something I do and many other WGs don't do for many, many practical reasons and I have a call blocker on my phone which rejects withhelds ( one of the single most useful things I ever took on board to be honest ).

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get a punting sim

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Text messages must be the single most obvious giveaway..... been there done that and had the OH finding out!!!

Good job all that is now behind me and we have a stronger relationship because of it!

Now looking for a MFF or swingers party to do things together!

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Trust is a two-way thing and it is unfortunate this happens as the client should not be expected to get a new sim....I'm happy to recieve calls at anytime ladies *looks at phone*...

If the client wishes to get a new sim that should be a free choice rather then an influenced one...

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Bit one sided really. I often would like to book online but always they want my phone number. Now I don't have a problem with that, but I DO have a problem with the fact that I could be called at a very embarrassing moment. Don't tell me it won't happen because it does, and HAS. I had an agency (now busted) who would ring and hang up, a wg who won't stop texting or phoning at all times such that I've had to ditch the number, and return calls to email bookings I haven't been expecting. Its all very well expecting agency/ girl to expect my number be left behind but how do I explain to a casually inquisitive wife who asks a perfectly normal question like "who was that?" at 9:30 in the evening when watching CSI?

It does happen of course although its rare in my experiences, as others have said having a dedicated punting Sim is to me a basic precaution to take.

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Before I started punting I got myself set up with a PAYG sim for an old phone I had, and created a new email address specifically for this as well, so that I could keep it completely separated from my normal phone and emails, as that just seemed to be common sense to me. My phone is generally only switched on on the day of a punt (usually after I've left home to go there) as I book by email by choice, so there's no danger of any calls or texts causing me any problems - though I will usually switch it on a couple of times a week when I'm not booked, simply to clear out all the advertising texts the phone company seem to keep sending. It's not really that hard to keep another phone around. I go to a number of lengths to keep my computer easy to cleanse of any traces as well - and I'm single and don't have to worry about anyone else at home seeing things - I just like to make things easier so I don't have to worry in the future if my situation changes.

If I need them, I have another 2 spare sims floating around here, that will just need to be registered and topped up if I need to use them (I was supplied 6 free of charge).

If any of the girls I've seen want to phone/text/email me they can go ahead whenever they like, as the phone will only be switched on when it's safe for me to use it.

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I generally regard blocked numbers with some scepticism, unless work related.

As others have said, get a punting sim (I use giffgaff), a disposabel email address, and ideally another phone, just for punting.

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I generally regard blocked numbers with some scepticism, unless work related.

As others have said, get a punting sim (I use giffgaff), a disposabel email address, and ideally another phone, just for punting.

i use giffgaff. £10 a month for quite a few bundled calls and unlimited text and internet. heartily reccomend. dont have a punting sim. too daft -i would use it to call civvies and vice versa. so just clean out fone regularly.

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So it would appear that most of you use a separate SIM card, thats fair enough. Easy to pick up, and no tracability. How does that make it any safer for the working girl as opposed to the withheld number?

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So it would appear that most of you use a separate SIM card, thats fair enough. Easy to pick up, and no tracability. How does that make it any safer for the working girl as opposed to the withheld number?

In the event that the user of such a phone was to commit a serious offence, the police and mobile companies have absolutely no problems whatsoever in tracing it. That's whether you faff with the handset, change the SIM card every time you use it, switch it off and take the battery out, withhold the number or anything else.

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I never answer withheld calls from anyone ever. To me withholding a phone number is like ringing a doorbell while wearing a balaclava!

I quite understand why wg's don't accept withheld calls and quite right too. All I do is use an old phone that I had kicking around and with a pay as you go Sim that I picked up for £1 at Tesco. Top it up with £10 and you are sorted. I only turn it on when I make a call so I never get any problems.

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My phones (both work and personal) block withhelds, 'private' numbers (whatever they are) and any number starting with 08. Happy days :).

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In the event that the user of such a phone was to commit a serious offence, the police and mobile companies have absolutely no problems whatsoever in tracing it. That's whether you faff with the handset, change the SIM card every time you use it, switch it off and take the battery out, withhold the number or anything else.

Don't believe that you can be traced if it's switched off.

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In the event that the user of such a phone was to commit a serious offence, the police and mobile companies have absolutely no problems whatsoever in tracing it. That's whether you faff with the handset, change the SIM card every time you use it, switch it off and take the battery out, withhold the number or anything else.

Pity they couldn't catch the ahole who nicked my Iphone if its that easy. :(

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As I understand it the battery needs to be removed for it to be untraceable, and just because it can be traced does not mean that it is cost effective to do! Such is modern policing although in the case of physical assault they, hopefully, would!

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So it would appear that most of you use a separate SIM card, thats fair enough. Easy to pick up, and no tracability. How does that make it any safer for the working girl as opposed to the withheld number?

Yes, that is true it is not necessarily safer, but it does reduces the odds as many punters will be calling from landlines or contract mobiles which are traceable. Also PAYG mobiles are traceable whenever they are powered on and connected to a network, so unless the crime was well planned, having a phone number is likely to help.

In the event that the user of such a phone was to commit a serious offence, the police and mobile companies have absolutely no problems whatsoever in tracing it. That's whether you faff with the handset, change the SIM card every time you use it, switch it off and take the battery out, withhold the number or anything else.

That is not entirely true.

All they know is where the phone is while it is logged on to the network. So they can pin point approximately where a call was made from. There is no way of tracing a mobile once it is powered off. So if someone was to turn on the mobile just once, make a single call and then turn it off and dispose if it, they cannot track that caller. There is no guaranteed way of tracing who a pay as you go SIM is owned by as there is no requirement to register either a SIM card or a phone to an individual or address. As you can buy both with cash, there may be no paper trail to follow either. Unfortunately, there is quite a large difference between what the TV shows have us believe and what can be done in the real world.

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Yes, that is true it is not necessarily safer, but it does reduces the odds as many punters will be calling from landlines or contract mobiles which are traceable. Also PAYG mobiles are traceable whenever they are powered on and connected to a network, so unless the crime was well planned, having a phone number is likely to help.

That is not entirely true.

All they know is where the phone is while it is logged on to the network. So they can pin point approximately where a call was made from. There is no way of tracing a mobile once it is powered off. So if someone was to turn on the mobile just once, make a single call and then turn it off and dispose if it, they cannot track that caller. There is no guaranteed way of tracing who a pay as you go SIM is owned by as there is no requirement to register either a SIM card or a phone to an individual or address. As you can buy both with cash, there may be no paper trail to follow either. Unfortunately, there is quite a large difference between what the TV shows have us believe and what can be done in the real world.

Bless. I can assure you that I do not gather my information from 'TV shows'. I was referring to the fact that people often think withholding a number or dumping/swapping a SIM card means that there is no trace anywhere of when calls/texts have been made and to whom from that particular handset - they are all on record, although obviously if the whole handset is dumped immediately after using it and there is no registration it can't be traced back to a particular person by the call records.

Ladies who have had problems with stalkers and harrassment have seen the protagonists prosecuted and convicted on the evidence from these records.

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So it would appear that most of you use a separate SIM card, thats fair enough. Easy to pick up, and no tracability. How does that make it any safer for the working girl as opposed to the withheld number?

There are two issues here. In your OP you were concerned about being called back out of the blue which could be a problem, a dedicated punting Sim/phone gets round that as you only need it on when arranging a punt.

Tracability to you is a different issue, as i am not going to attack WGs i dont care if the Sim is traced to me by the police, i have nothing to hide and am not breaking the law, i hope. As a basic precaution i top-up in cash and the Sim is only in the phone which i bought second hand with no link to me while i am enquiring and booking punts, i do make these calls from home though often so i assume that can narrow me down in the event of something serious having happened.

The WG wont know its a dedicated Sim if you dont tell her, its not relevant to me to discuss it, i turn up, punt and leave, the Sim i use is neither here nor there to that. Clearly if a punter is dodgy using such a Sim might make it harder to trace him but i dont punt to suit others, just myself, so use whats convenient to me.

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Bless. I can assure you that I do not gather my information from 'TV shows'. I was referring to the fact that people often think withholding a number or dumping/swapping a SIM card means that there is no trace anywhere of when calls/texts have been made and to whom from that particular handset - they are all on record, although obviously if the whole handset is dumped immediately after using it and there is no registration it can't be traced back to a particular person by the call records.

Ladies who have had problems with stalkers and harrassment have seen the protagonists prosecuted and convicted on the evidence from these records.

Sure, and that is a good thing, but, to me, your messages implied that the police could somehow magically track phones, regardless, and I am afraid that that is simply a myth! Yes calls are logged and that can and does provide the police with useful information. It is even possible to track a mobile phone that is still logged on to a network, although not as well as many seem to think. However, the idea that they can be tracked even when it has been switched off and had the battery removed (your words) is wrong and misleading.

I am not suggesting for a minute that WG's should answer withheld numbers or that logging numbers is not useful in crime prevention, I am simply pointing out that your comment, in my opinion, made out that the phone companies and the police are able to do more with technology than is actually possible and that assertion was not correct - No offence intended and 'Bless' you too - LOL

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Live a little, just use the phone you have....that way its like a game of Russian Roulette....far more fun...

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i use giffgaff. £10 a month for quite a few bundled calls and unlimited text and internet. heartily reccomend. dont have a punting sim. too daft -i would use it to call civvies and vice versa. so just clean out fone regularly.

Cov, I can do that with just my one phone!

Last Christmas I sent a text along the lines of "Tony & Kate, many thanks for the great evening, great company and delicious food!"

I got a reply from Mei at 007 escorts: "This is Mei - I dread to think what text you sent your friends!"

Fortunately, Mei's prompt reply saved me from trying to book Tony's wife for a punt.

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I will answer withheld/private numbers sometimes (I like to live on the wild side occasionally!) and often they say oops didn't realise or explain they are at work and call me back on a number I can see. Sometimes they hang up and I never hear from them again.

Apart from the security aspect discussed above I don't feel comfortable not having a chaps number in case I need to contact him. It happens rarely but if I need to cancel or alter the time and can't contact them I'd feel awful if they made a trip and I then couldn't see them.

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Subject seems to have diverted slightly off topic, but also my point seems to have been proved. Its no more advantageous for a wg to know my number any more than it is to answer a withheld number or reply to an online booking without leaving a phone number, which was the main issue here. The main point I was trying to make is rhat when making an online booking I DON'T want to leave my number on the offchance I get an inconvenient text or call. Using a second phone/sim card only adds to the problems of my solitary hobby, and hiding it, remembering to turn it off, where to charge it etc. would be more problematic than if I knew I could make a booking in advance, confirmed by a follow up call from ME, (which wouldn't be withheld) once I'd received confirmation of the booking.

I fully appreciate girls concerns. Hope you can see mine.

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I do think its funny when someone calls to book you on a withheld number, you ignore it as its a withheld number then you get a stroppy text telling you that you were about to be booked but you are clearly a shite escort as you dont answer your phone. :ph34r:

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