Laura Lee

Rhoda Grant - Scottish Proposal

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O Gawd!

I think she is a Labour Highland List MSP isn't she?

Has she considered the civil rights of service providers?

Did she invite either you or ScotPep to her 17 Jan (that was the date, wasn't it?) tea party? If not, why not?

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I thought it was quite revealing that this gobshite feels there no further consultation is necessary! A true fascist!tIf this law gets passed it will inevitably put further pressure on lawmakers down south to enact similar legislation. Who will suffer the most in the end - The women who work in this biz of course! Their capacity to earn a living will be reduced and the small proportion of clients who are psychotic will become more prominent as a proportion of clients who are active, because they will have much more possibilities to damage women with the biz being driven underground. It's insane and a charter given free rein to psychopaths.

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O Gawd!

I think she is a Labour Highland List MSP isn't she?

Has she considered the civil rights of service providers?

Did she invite either you or ScotPep to her 17 Jan (that was the date, wasn't it?) tea party? If not, why not?

I didn't get an invite, no, but then I suspect I am persona non grata.

The biggest worry here is if the proposal bypasses the need for further consultation, the requirement for which

is apparently negated by the "evidence" gathered during the Godman consultation.

Ahem.

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is this just that silly tart going off on one or has it general support at holyrood. and will the SNP whip it through?

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Where does SNP stand?

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is this just that silly tart going off on one or has it general support at holyrood. and will the SNP whip it through?

Here she is: http://www.rhodagrant.org.uk/

She wasn't good/popular enough to get a constituency, but she has enough clout in the darkened rooms where Labour does its thing to get on the List, and high enough up to guarantee a seat, irrespective of what the voters think!

Whatever the Nats think about it, I doubt they'll help, simply out of narrow minded party political spite!

Trish Godman at least was a Glasgow MSP trying to sort out some of Glasgow's dirty linen on the national drying green - Rhoda is from the Highlands, and I rather wonder whether the Glaswegians will want her interfering with their games?

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Yeah I have met these presbyterian lot in the western isles.

think a little inbred!

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What with a minimum price for alcohol and a proposal to ban punting, Scotland sounds to be a fun place to be. Whatever next?

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Could have some interesting consequences. If i take a Mistress I am in effect paying for sex. Similarly if I chat up a girl in a pub, buy her a few drinks and a meal and end up at her place I am in effect paying for sex.

Appears it would also apply to a woman paying a man for sex.

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What with a minimum price for alcohol and a proposal to ban punting, Scotland sounds to be a fun place to be. Whatever next?

A tax on deep fried mars bars, a revolt will be inevitable. :P

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I'm late to the party, but here's the big ole whizzbang post I prepared on the subject:

On the 23rd of May Rhoda Grant MSP made the first step towards launching a bill for the criminalisation of the purchase of sex in Scotland. It's not a bill, yet, but a request to the Justice Committee to let her get away with not doing a proper consultation of her own. You can read her Statement of Reasons here:

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_MembersBills/20120523_SofReasons_Criminalisation_of_Purchase_of_Sex.pdf

She states that her bill doesn't need to go out for consultation due to the fact that a majority of respondents supported Trish Godman's bill at her (deeply flawed, biased and unprofessional) consultation. The Justice Committee will need to decide whether that is the case; they meet next on the 29th of May and then on the 19th of June, before parliament goes into recess on the 30th.

If you would like to keep up-to-date with the development of the bill and our response to it, please visit our forum on the SCOT-PEP website (www.scot-pep.org.uk), go to the Criminalisation Bill (Scottish Parliament) thread, read the post titled 'And so it begins...' and leave a comment. Any comment. You'll then be automatically notified of any new posts on that subject.

We're also, on a totally related note, actively looking for new (sex worker) members for our Campaigning Group. I'm putting a separate post up with the details on what that involves.

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I did a search on their site and came up with this from 2007 - http://www.snp.org/m...kerb-crawlers-0

Having just read THAT quote from the Women's Support Project, I am off to find a suitable surface to headbang repeatedly. :wacko:

Thanks for that -

So officially just kerb crawling being considered by the Party. I wouldn't have any problem with that per se, but, as you rightly point out, the quote from the WSP suggests that for them it's just a start.

For the Justice Committee to make a considered decision on the proposal, they need to receive subsmissions from both sides of the argument, as well as expert testimony from independent academics working in the field. If that's what they do the proposal should fail in its bid to avoid the consultation phase.

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moral supremacist groups need to be challenged on this proposal and its good to see that there are people once again organising to defeat this proposal

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This proposal is going before the Justice Committee on June 19th.

Let's hope common sense prevails or else we have one hell of a fight on our hands.

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Here's another piece of legislation that the electorate are sleep-walking into because Ms Grant can shout louder than others and has the attention of people in high places. She seems to ignore the fact many women have a choice and chose this lifestyle because they can earn a good living from it for a relatively few hours a week.

Oddly, from her own statement (the PDF), she claims to have issued her proposal to a total of 274 organisations as part of a 'consultation' and got 122 resposes. That's just over 40% responding with (and I use her figures) 64% supporting. Therefore if my maths is correct 64% of 122 that is 81, so out of 274 originally contacted, then 81 are in favour of her proposals.

That's just is less than 30% in favour, so 70% of those consulted dont agree or have no opinion either way. Hardly what I could call an overwhelming majority.(please correct my figures if I am wrong).

What I suspect is behind her move is a major clean up before the 2014 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow (in the same way as London has seen for 2012), as this proposal is clearly targetting street grils or brothels.

Seems she cant cope with girls that advertise on the internet, especially as the ISPs may be non-uk based.

Sometimes I think the Scots created a bigger nanny state than south of Hadrian's Wall.

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Interesting. Would this run foul of restraint of trade legislation or the EU Servises Directive? It would be quaint to see HMG in the ECJ on this one. I think a concerned citizen should open correspondence with the Commission's Directorate General Enterprise and Industry at once as well as Mr Cameron's Red Tape Czar!

WW

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Interesting. Would this run foul of restraint of trade legislation or the EU Servises Directive? It would be quaint to see HMG in the ECJ on this one. I think a concerned citizen should open correspondence with the Commission's Directorate General Enterprise and Industry at once as well as Mr Cameron's Red Tape Czar!

WW

Not to mention freedom of expression under human rights law, perhaps?

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perhaps rhoda grant will arrange compensation for sex workers forced into compulsory redundancy if her bill passes?

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Interesting. Would this run foul of restraint of trade legislation or the EU Servises Directive? It would be quaint to see HMG in the ECJ on this one. I think a concerned citizen should open correspondence with the Commission's Directorate General Enterprise and Industry at once as well as Mr Cameron's Red Tape Czar!

WW

Indeed !

Obviously it's far preferable for me as a single parent to be sitting on my backside claiming benefits and watching Jeremy Kyle

all day, than to earn a living and pay taxes through escorting because the former is morally acceptable innit ?

:blink:

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Interesting, slanted, way the BBC has of presenting this! The photograph shows a punter handing cash out of his car window, which I rather doubt is how one does it, but it illustrates a kerb crawler (criminal) dealing with a WG who is soliciting on the street (criminal again), so what would Rhoda's bill add to that?

They then get "reformed" prositute Janine, who was in a sauna when it was raided, and "The guys there all just got up an walked out while we all got charged." I wonder what on earth the girls were charged with? They can't all have been managing the brothel, can they?

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