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Would You Favour An Agency That Guaranteed Half An Hours Buffer Time Between Punters

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Hi guys - in responding to this thread - 'Anyone Else Had The Next Punter Arrive When Leaving?' I realised that this is a big issue and maybe there is a way we can effect some positive change in the favour of the punter.

I am thoroughly sick of being hurried out the door after a blindingly good session with a WG and i know I am not alone. I was made aware by a WG that some agencies operate a 15min turnaround for old punter to leave and new punter to arrive.

My contention is that this is way too tight. It adds to stress for the girls makes punts less relaxed and the punter feel hassled. It also increases the chance of the new arrival bumping into the old one.

I think we should let the agencies know loud and clear that this is not acceptable.

What do you reckon? Would you favour an agency that guaranteed minimum of half an hours buffer time between bookings?

If we do a vote and then direct some of the more reputable agencies to look at the stats, maybe we can get some of them to sign up to some kind of 'best practise' on the matter. What do you think?

Now can anyone instruct me how to set this up?... I tried under the 'manage Topic Poll' but couldnt work out how to publish it

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I can't help with the poll advice Mr M but to answer your question, yes.

Allowing sufficient time between bookings is one of several ways that agencies can choose to improve a girl's working environment. Some do and some don't but they certainly don't work together.

I would certainly support any agency that went out of their way to improve the girls' working environment.

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What about touring Indies that do it? I've been asked to wait 10 minutes before approaching the door.

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Hi guys - in responding to this thread - 'Anyone Else Had The Next Punter Arrive When Leaving?' I realised that this is a big issue and maybe there is a way we can effect some positive change in the favour of the punter.

I am thoroughly sick of being hurried out the door after a blindingly good session with a WG and i know I am not alone. I was made aware by a WG that some agencies operate a 15min turnaround for old punter to leave and new punter to arrive.

My contention is that this is way too tight. It adds to stress for the girls makes punts less relaxed and the punter feel hassled. It also increases the chance of the new arrival bumping into the old one.

I think we should let the agencies know loud and clear that this is not acceptable.

What do you reckon? Would you favour an agency that guaranteed minimum of half an hours buffer time between bookings?

If we do a vote and then direct some of the more reputable agencies to look at the stats, maybe we can get some of them to sign up to some kind of 'best practise' on the matter. What do you think?

Now can anyone instruct me how to set this up?... I tried under the 'manage Topic Poll' but couldnt work out how to publish it

While we're at it, I would also support an agency that gave wgs £110 of the £150 fee charged.

The girls I see thoroughly deserve it, and their costs are rising all the time.

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While we're at it, I would also support an agency that gave wgs £110 of the £150 fee charged.

The girls I see thoroughly deserve it, and their costs are rising all the time.

yes on all counts

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It seems to me that in trying to improve "the girls' working environment" you reduce her earning potential by forcing resting time, that she might not want, upon her.

If strikes me that you could book 90 minutes meetings and always arive 15 minutes late and leave 15 minutes early.

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CB, yes you are quite right. I should have caveated my post with "providing this is what the girl wants".

Overall, her perfect working environment would be one containing only elements she chose.

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CB, yes you are quite right. I should have caveated my post with "providing this is what the girl wants".

Overall, her perfect working environment would be one containing only elements she chose.

I think it isn't just the agencies. It depends on how many customers the girl wants to see on a particular day too. If business has been slow, or she's been off work for a while, she may well want to see more punters than usual?

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While I love it when punts overrun, those extra mins to get you off a second time, the massage she insists on, the assisted bath or shower to put the cherry on top at the end...or even the extra chitchat. I don't expect any off this but it fantastic when it happens.

However the minimum i'd expect is that the girl has had sufficient time to clean herself up and the room if needed, whether its the girl or the agency who arranges this. And that I get my full hour if I arrived on time.

If the girl wants to conveyor belt punters all day then that's her prerogative and if she can maintain good levels of service then great for her. A lot of these girls only spend a few years here to give them that boost in life and they are dedicated to that.

However if its the agencies being arseholes that's a different matter..

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Hi guys - in responding to this thread - 'Anyone Else Had The Next Punter Arrive When Leaving?' I realised that this is a big issue and maybe there is a way we can effect some positive change in the favour of the punter.

I am thoroughly sick of being hurried out the door after a blindingly good session with a WG and i know I am not alone. I was made aware by a WG that some agencies operate a 15min turnaround for old punter to leave and new punter to arrive.

My contention is that this is way too tight. It adds to stress for the girls makes punts less relaxed and the punter feel hassled. It also increases the chance of the new arrival bumping into the old one.

I think we should let the agencies know loud and clear that this is not acceptable.

What do you reckon? Would you favour an agency that guaranteed minimum of half an hours buffer time between bookings?

If we do a vote and then direct some of the more reputable agencies to look at the stats, maybe we can get some of them to sign up to some kind of 'best practise' on the matter. What do you think?

Now can anyone instruct me how to set this up?... I tried under the 'manage Topic Poll' but couldnt work out how to publish it

I dont punt through Agencies, too outrageously expensive in London for my liking. I couldnt care less about how a WG or Establishment operates as long as the service i receive is good or better.

How would a punter know for sure that the WG or Agency are telling him the truth anyway, the fact is he wouldnt so knowing that i dont concern myself with such things.

Some WGs choose to work back-to-back bookings so they can earn as much as possible, some Establishments want WGs to work like this, they after all stand to make more money the more bookings a WG has of course.

As to effecting change in punting, i would advise you to put punting sites/forums into context, very many punters dont know about them or have any interest in them, very useful for me but some punt in ignorance and while that continues SPs will continue to work in the way that suits them in this unregulated industry. A guarantee in punting is a hard thing to find.

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It seems to me that in trying to improve "the girls' working environment" you reduce her earning potential by forcing resting time, that she might not want, upon her.

If strikes me that you could book 90 minutes meetings and always arive 15 minutes late and leave 15 minutes early.

CB

Exactly right, some WGs wont thank punters for sticking their noses into what they view as their business that they have arranged with the Establishment.

In reality how many punters a WG really sees is dependent on what she tells you, its totally a matter of taking her word for it which might or might not be true. Some WGs know it bothers some punters that they punt with loads of guys so they have a reason to lie and say its less. As i posted i dont care, its not relevant to me. I just want a good service from a good WG with a good attitude, as i know from parties the number of punters seen doesnt have to impact on the standard of service offered, that is down to the individual WG in my experiences.

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Okay this is my take on things.

Competition is fierce among the agencies. Often the same girl can be with 4 or 5 at the same time. What distinguishes one agency from another in the punters mind? A recent price war was nipped in the bud when according to aisha some of her girls received threats if they continued on her promotional rate. Asian Options had to do the same thing when they offered an introductory rate. But maybe there is a better way an agency can distinguish themselves from the pack.

My argument is that if you have paid for an hour with a WG wouldnt it be great if that hour was guaranteed to be an hour of action with a guaranteed 1/4 hr buffer time afterwards. That would include time you might need in the bathroom to freshen up prior to the event or just a leisurely chat, shoulder massage, drink or just being able to use it getting yourself together and climb back into your clothes after the event without feeling you are doing a quick costume change between scenes.

Then the girl would have 1/4 hour to freshen up after you have left / tidy the flat and just generally prepare herself for the next punter. This shouldnt be that big an ask surely?...

The star performers I have been with have all done this as a matter of course but its always a gamble whether you get this treatment and always seems to be at the discretion of how tightly booked the next punter is by the agency.

Im suggesting that maybe an agency that put the customer first in this way, might buy itself some much needed loyalty in an extremely competetive market. The girls that sign up to the agency would of course signal themselves as being much more customer-centric than girls on another agencies list and maybe, just maybe, if this results in them getting a competetive edge it might force the other agencies to follow suit.

It goes without saying that it would help the punter leave in a more relaxed frame of mind, be less stressful for the lady and just generally make the whole business of punting that bit more relaxed and civilised.

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Okay this is my take on things.

Competition is fierce among the agencies. Often the same girl can be with 4 or 5 at the same time. What distinguishes one agency from another in the punters mind? A recent price war was nipped in the bud when according to aisha some of her girls received threats if they continued on her promotional rate. Asian Options had to do the same thing when they offered an introductory rate. But maybe there is a better way an agency can distinguish themselves from the pack.

My argument is that if you have paid for an hour with a WG wouldnt it be great if that hour was guaranteed to be an hour of action with a guaranteed 1/4 hr buffer time afterwards. That would include time you might need in the bathroom to freshen up prior to the event or just a leisurely chat, shoulder massage, drink or just being able to use it getting yourself together and climb back into your clothes after the event without feeling you are doing a quick costume change between scenes.

Then the girl would have 1/4 hour to freshen up after you have left / tidy the flat and just generally prepare herself for the next punter. This shouldnt be that big an ask surely?...

The star performers I have been with have all done this as a matter of course but its always a gamble whether you get this treatment and always seems to be at the discretion of how tightly booked the next punter is by the agency.

Im suggesting that maybe an agency that put the customer first in this way, might buy itself some much needed loyalty in an extremely competetive market. The girls that sign up to the agency would of course signal themselves as being much more customer-centric than girls on another agencies list and maybe, just maybe, if this results in them getting a competetive edge it might force the other agencies to follow suit.

It goes without saying that it would help the punter leave in a more relaxed frame of mind, be less stressful for the lady and just generally make the whole business of punting that bit more relaxed and civilised.

Why are you only interested in this in relation to Agencies, why not Parlours as well. As i posted i dont punt through Agencies due in London to their outrageous prces charged as i view them, so whatever breaks were built in or service offered wouldnt tempt me unless the costs came down.

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Regarding Mr M's post about short lived price wars amongst Asian agencies, I think if it were known which agency/ies were indeed threatening anyone, that would help many in the decision making process.

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Um how about if you find you are being ushered off quickly or bump into previous/next punters and don't like it you pick an escort who leaves adequate time between clients?

Agencies and parlours are out to make as much money as possible regardless of what their girls want- of course there are independents who operate on this conveyor belt mode too, surely the simple answer is to vote with your feet!

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Um how about if you find you are being ushered off quickly or bump into previous/next punters and don't like it you pick an escort who leaves adequate time between clients?

Agencies and parlours are out to make as much money as possible regardless of what their girls want- of course there are independents who operate on this conveyor belt mode too, surely the simple answer is to vote with your feet!

The point is Lydia you dont know which agency or independent will do this till you are on-site so to speak. No one in my experience is upfront about this when you make a booking. Im suggesting that it would be really helpful if they were. Some girls might speed you out of the door because she knows she has another booking arriving arriving ten minutes after you have reached your final minute on the clock, but you are not privvy to that information till you are there.

What I am suggesting is that an agency could seperate itself from the pack by giving you this information upfront as part of its bookings policy. So they book you in say between 8pm and 9pm and you then have till 9.15pm to be off the premises. So they tell you from the start that you have that extra 1/4 of an hour outside of what goes on in the room to have a shower prior to your allotted time or just to dress in a leisurely fashion at the end. Its kind of like when you book a busy restaurant and they tell you when they need the table back for the next booking.

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Why are you only interested in this in relation to Agencies, why not Parlours as well. As i posted i dont punt through Agencies due in London to their outrageous prces charged as i view them, so whatever breaks were built in or service offered wouldnt tempt me unless the costs came down.

In my experience this is less relevant to parlours. Normally there is a maid in a parlour to deal with the timings issues: if you arrive early she'll normally have a room you can wait in. Normally that means you end up in the kitchen staring at an overflowing ashtray and some dogeared magazines while you wait for muffled footsteps to recede. ; )

If you overstay the maid is there to chivvy you and the girl along and make sure you and her are out of the room sharpish so she is available for the next punter. In my experience if you wanted to freshen up afterwards in the bathroom you are normally welcome to do so.

With an agency girl, she has to deal with this whole process herself. If she knows the agency has given her 15 mins of grace for you to get dressed and leave AND the new punter to arrive AND for you AND her to freshen herself up, she has to be the one to hurry you along and if anyone overuns or anyone arrives early, this is where things get tricky. Im suggesting if you are paying agency prices that you should expect a higher level of service and i'm sugessting 1/4 of an hours grace at the end stated explicitly upfront when you make the booking, leaves everyone knowing where they stand and takes the pressure off the girl

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By the way this 1/4 of an hour afterwards is the basic minimum. If the chemistry is good and the girl is happy for you to hang out a bit longer this is obviously at her discretion. Some WGs have been gloriously relaxed about me leaving, normally because Im doing something nice like giving her a massage. in some cases I have left half an hour after my allotted time! Any girl that does this ALWAYS ends up on my repeat list

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Regarding Mr M's post about short lived price wars amongst Asian agencies, I think if it were known which agency/ies were indeed threatening anyone, that would help many in the decision making process.

This is the post on Invasian Escorts (IE) website that alludes to threats and/or intimidation/ bullying of girls involved in the special offers.

"15-May-2012: Promotion withdrawn after threats to our new Asian escorts. Over the weekend Aisha was made aware that the new girls had received threats and were subject to intimidation by several of the well established agencies of Asian escorts in London. Rivals took objection to the promotional rate. Not wanting further bullying of the girls, Aisha has withdrawn the promotion."

http://invasianescor...tAscending=true

No further details are forthcoming form IE, and it would seem unwise for Aisha to risk her business by naming the agency(s) or specifying the 'threats' made against the four girls involved in the introductory discount scheme. (For those unaware, customers of the new girls were offered a £15 discount for leaving a review on the IE website.)

Unless other contributors here know to the contrary, I assume the 'threat' by "well-established" agency(s) was as follows:

"Leave IE's introductory discount scheme now, or we will drop you from our own website for good."

So, a rather stark and easy-to-digest message for a Thai girl.

And if the agency is big enough, and has enough clout, it might even have acted alone.

When faced with such a business decision, it's a no-brainer for the Thai girls. The wgs still make the same money, promotion or no promotion, from their IE customers. But to be faced with being removed from the website of at least one of the "well-established agencies" could cause them a significant drop in earnings, as well as some serious worry about their future.

It's a restriction of trade, it's unfair on the girls, and it's turned some of the industry into a cartel.

And in my view it stinks.

Interestingly, I note that Mei of 007 escorts has been a frequent visitor to this forum these last few weeks.

I wonder if she has any comments to make about the 'threats' made to the girls? The girls involved in the IE discount promotion are also on 007's books.

Does Mei agree with me that price-fixing cartels stink?

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I have to declare an Asian interest here, and with that in mind and although I wish it could happen, it's not going to. Unless a girl is with one agency (all kinds of problems with that too) she's going to have to deal with probably 5 to 10 agencies, all of which will expect to be able to call on her time. If they want to make good money, and that's why they're here, they're going to have to put up with this situation, and that means agreeing to unexpected calls and adjusting their schedule accordingly. Some of the agencies approved of in this forum also put pressure on girls to take bookings or not get any.

It's not nice, but those who run these businesses aren't necessarily nice either.

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In my experience this is less relevant to parlours. Normally there is a maid in a parlour to deal with the timings issues: if you arrive early she'll normally have a room you can wait in. Normally that means you end up in the kitchen staring at an overflowing ashtray and some dogeared magazines while you wait for muffled footsteps to recede. ; )

If you overstay the maid is there to chivvy you and the girl along and make sure you and her are out of the room sharpish so she is available for the next punter. In my experience if you wanted to freshen up afterwards in the bathroom you are normally welcome to do so.

With an agency girl, she has to deal with this whole process herself. If she knows the agency has given her 15 mins of grace for you to get dressed and leave AND the new punter to arrive AND for you AND her to freshen herself up, she has to be the one to hurry you along and if anyone overuns or anyone arrives early, this is where things get tricky. Im suggesting if you are paying agency prices that you should expect a higher level of service and i'm sugessting 1/4 of an hours grace at the end stated explicitly upfront when you make the booking, leaves everyone knowing where they stand and takes the pressure off the girl

I disagree about higher levels of service because whatever a punter pays the service he gets should be of a high level from a Soho Walk-Up at £30 ish to an Agency at £1000 an hour.

However i choose to punt, Indie, Parlour or Party in my case nowadays i expect good or better service each and every time without fail.

Good luck with trying to change tried and tested ways of working, if the Agency is making money at present i cant see them changing this formula to help punters, they want punters cash simple as that, why change if they are doing so.

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I disagree about higher levels of service because whatever a punter pays the service he gets should be of a high level from a Soho Walk-Up at £30 ish to an Agency at £1000 an hour.

However i choose to punt, Indie, Parlour or Party in my case nowadays i expect good or better service each and every time without fail.

Good luck with trying to change tried and tested ways of working, if the Agency is making money at present i cant see them changing this formula to help punters, they want punters cash simple as that, why change if they are doing so.

Agreed that the punter should expect a certain level of service whatever. The reality is that this is often not the case. However it is far less forgiveable when an agency is charging £150 an hour to experience a shoddy booking experience as opposed to some of the girls you see punting themselves out for as little as £60 an hour like they do on the other site. A good or bad service is never guaranteed whatever price you pay but lets face it your chances of getting a bad one tend to go up the less you pay. Certainly in my experience anyway.

If an agency is imaginative enough to try doing special offers to mark them out from the rest of the competition, then it certainly wouldnt do them any harm trying this would it?... if enough of us showed that we would support it. Punting like any business is after all about supply and demand. If any of you other guys like this idea just say so and the more names that we get the more power it gives us to prove to the agencies there is a demand for this kind of thing.

Look at the level of repeat custom and loyalty that HOD gets by being so customer-centric. My god some of their girls are booked up weeks in advance. True, they operate much more like a parlour with a maid and are actually an operation that must be run with military precision time-wise but the reason they stand out from everyone is that everything they do is all about putting the customer first. Any agency that takes a lead in that direction can only be a good thing right?

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Agreed that the punter should expect a certain level of service whatever. The reality is that this is often not the case. However it is far less forgiveable when an agency is charging £150 an hour to experience a shoddy booking experience as opposed to some of the girls you see punting themselves out for as little as £60 an hour like they do on the other site. A good or bad service is never guaranteed whatever price you pay but lets face it your chances of getting a bad one tend to go up the less you pay. Certainly in my experience anyway.

If an agency is imaginative enough to try doing special offers to mark them out from the rest of the competition, then it certainly wouldnt do them any harm trying this would it?... if enough of us showed that we would support it. Punting like any business is after all about supply and demand. If any of you other guys like this idea just say so and the more names that we get the more power it gives us to prove to the agencies there is a demand for this kind of thing.

Look at the level of repeat custom and loyalty that HOD gets by being so customer-centric. My god some of their girls are booked up weeks in advance. True, they operate much more like a parlour with a maid and are actually an operation that must be run with military precision time-wise but the reason they stand out from everyone is that everything they do is all about putting the customer first. Any agency that takes a lead in that direction can only be a good thing right?

I have experienced no correlation between what i have paid and the service offered, its ALWAYS down to the individual WGs attitude not what she happens to be charging which is neither here nor there to that. A good WG will always offer a good service at whatever price she charges and a bad WG a bad service at whatever she charges.

By paying less to start with you obviously leave losing less if it was a bad punt than if you had paid more. I rarely pay over £150 an hour because i can locate WGs at less from £70 an hour in my case.

All an Agency does is bump what i would be paying up to cover their cut of the WGs fee. I have no interest at punting at 3am or having a choice of a few WGs through an Agency so what an Agency offers is not something i need or would pay that premium they charge for. They are a totally unnecessary third party to me, a Parlour and Party at least provide the premises the whole time.

HOD is a Parlour and at £130 an hour shows the utter greed of their Agency rivals in the same area where prices often start from £150 an hour. I woud rather cut it off than give an Agency my custom nowadays.

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Smiths If you have found a girl/girls that give you a good service for £70 an hour then you have struck the motherlode. Care to share?...

I do a lot of research and for the level of service I am after I have failed to find any girl that will deliver what I want for for £70 an hour.

My criteria is oriental (preferably thai) that offers DFK OWO and CIM. If you know of any girl that meets that criteria as well as offering all that for half of what I currently pay Im all ears. Im stuck with agencies because currently they seem to be the only people that supply the above.

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I have experienced no correlation between what i have paid and the service offered, its ALWAYS down to the individual WGs attitude not what she happens to be charging which is neither here nor there to that. A good WG will always offer a good service at whatever price she charges and a bad WG a bad service at whatever she charges.

By paying less to start with you obviously leave losing less if it was a bad punt than if you had paid more. I rarely pay over £150 an hour because i can locate WGs at less from £70 an hour in my case.

All an Agency does is bump what i would be paying up to cover their cut of the WGs fee. I have no interest at punting at 3am or having a choice of a few WGs through an Agency so what an Agency offers is not something i need or would pay that premium they charge for. They are a totally unnecessary third party to me, a Parlour and Party at least provide the premises the whole time.

HOD is a Parlour and at £130 an hour shows the utter greed of their Agency rivals in the same area where prices often start from £150 an hour. I woud rather cut it off than give an Agency my custom nowadays.

Smiths, I don't disagree with any of your (deliberately blunt) points, and I know you aren't a London Oriental fan like me, but if you want to have outstandingly beautiful girlsl in London, which I do, you and they have to put up with less than perfect terms.

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