mcduck

Incall Escorts - Legal Or Illegal?

49 posts in this topic

Hi all, sorry for such a basic, shamateur question but could someone please help clarify whether seeing an incall escort is legal or illegal? Went to Annabella's in MK the other day, had a great time, but was worried the whole time that I'd get busted. What, if anything, do I have to fear?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It isn't illegal unless you are in a brothel.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

*sigh*

It's not illegal in a brothel, either.

The purchase of sexual services from someone who is not coerced or trafficked is not illegal. The sale of sex is not illegal. The only persons within a brothel who are breaking the law are the owners/management.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Paying for sex in the UK is not illegal, neither is accepting payment for sex either. Only things that are illegal are running a brothel, kerb crawling, soliciting in the street, paying for sex with a coerced or trafficked woman.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi all, sorry for such a basic, shamateur question but could someone please help clarify whether seeing an incall escort is legal or illegal? Went to Annabella's in MK the other day, had a great time, but was worried the whole time that I'd get busted. What, if anything, do I have to fear?

Pinned, right at the top of this forum, is a link to the Crown Prosecution Service's legal guidance to its own people on the law as it affects prostitution and the like. Were you too busy to read it?

The answer to your question is, "Not a lot!"

The owner of the premises could be charged, as could those managing the brothel. The punter's only risk of involvement is if his puntee is under age, coerced or tricked. When the Police raid a suspected brothel they usually tell the punters to get dressed and go. Sometimes they ask for names and addresses. It is probably prudent to comply.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It isn't illegal unless you are in a brothel.

Completely wrong, you really should be more careful to ensure you are correct when giving advice to punters who are looking for the true facts in my view. Only if its proved the WG/s in the brothel were trafficked, underage or being coerced would the punter be breaking the law. Its the brothel owner/management, not the WGs though that are breaking the law. An incorrect law in my view if the WGs are working freely.

Edited by smiths

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for everyone's comments, (and for disseminating that ball-ache document for me!). So basically, the thing to be worried about is whether the girl is underage, trafficked or coerced? Surely that's an impossible thing to know as a punter! I'm not gonna do any kerb-crawling, so I'm alright on that front. I guess just follow the rules I've set myself then - only use a reputable establishment, and only go for girls with lots of reviews on this site. Is that about right?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for everyone's comments, (and for disseminating that ball-ache document for me!). So basically, the thing to be worried about is whether the girl is underage, trafficked or coerced? Surely that's an impossible thing to know as a punter! I'm not gonna do any kerb-crawling, so I'm alright on that front. I guess just follow the rules I've set myself then - only use a reputable establishment, and only go for girls with lots of reviews on this site. Is that about right?

Yes it can be impossible to know as a punter but thats the law, ignorance in theory anyway may well not help. If bothered carefully read previous threads and posts on here about this, great advice and information is given.

Using a reputable Establishment and WGs with lots of reviews on here is the best you can do in my opinion. Good luck.

Edited by smiths

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It isn't illegal unless you are in a brothel.

Prime example of why girls should start their working life in a reputable parlour or for an agency for a while. You get to meet a host of other wgs who have a wealth of information to pass on....such as working in a brothel being totally legal

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Completely wrong, you really should be more careful to ensure you are correct when giving advice to punters who are looking for the true facts in my view. Only if its proved the WG/s in the brothel were trafficked, underage or being coerced would the punter be breaking the law. Its the brothel owner/management, not the WGs though that are breaking the law. An incorrect law in my view if the WGs are working freely.

Apologies for my mistake then, I never worked in a brothel so wouldn't know too much, only going on what I've heard & what the police told me when they came to see me but I've obviously misunderstood what they said.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Apologies for my mistake then, I never worked in a brothel so wouldn't know too much, only going on what I've heard & what the police told me when they came to see me but I've obviously misunderstood what they said. I've not been in this business long.

Hmm. I would not take plods view on the law. They are not that clued up on it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Apologies for my mistake then, I never worked in a brothel so wouldn't know too much, only going on what I've heard & what the police told me when they came to see me but I've obviously misunderstood what they said. I've not been in this business long.

Here is some information for you regarding the legal aspects of things http://sw5.info/law/

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Apologies for my mistake then, I never worked in a brothel so wouldn't know too much, only going on what I've heard & what the police told me when they came to see me but I've obviously misunderstood what they said. I've not been in this business long.

Thanks Emily. They might well of been mistaken themselves in what they told you either being genuinely wrong or purposely giving you the wrong information, as others have said i wouldnt trust their word on matters regarding brothels or indeed Indies. I was speaking to an Indie recently who had been told by a police constable that what she was doing was illegal and he would be reporting her, she works alone at all times so is not breaking the law in reality, he still scared her though as he seemed so certain he was right. It helps when the police actually know the relevant laws, some simply dont.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hmm. I would not take plods view on the law. They are not that clued up on it.

There used to be a text book which they swotted up on for the (vital) Sergeants' Exam called "Moriarty's Police Law" - if it was in Moriarty, then they knew whatever gloss the (probably) learned editor had put on it, but if, like Furious Driving (which, unlike Road Traffic Act offences, which need a s.196 Road, can be committed anywhere, like in a farmer's field, factory or barracks) it wasn't there, then there was no chance!

I think Moriarty has now gone, so where they learn what little snippets of law they need, I don't know. Anyone else any idea?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Emily. They might well of been mistaken themselves in what they told you either being genuinely wrong or purposely giving you the wrong information, as others have said i wouldnt trust their word on matters regarding brothels or indeed Indies. I was speaking to an Indie recently who had been told by a police constable that what she was doing was illegal and he would be reporting her, she works alone at all times so is not breaking the law in reality, he still scared her though as he seemed so certain he was right. It helps when the police actually know the relevant laws, some simply dont.

That's scary isn't it, well I hope she uses the forum now for helpful advise.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think Moriarty has now gone, so where they learn what little snippets of law they need, I don't know. Anyone else any idea?

PNLD

www.pnld.co.uk

or Blackstones.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

*sigh*

It's not illegal in a brothel, either.

The purchase of sexual services from someone who is not coerced or trafficked is not illegal. The sale of sex is not illegal. The only persons within a brothel who are breaking the law are the owners/management.

But this is splitting hairs really. In a one-to-one situation no law is being broken but in a brothel situation the law is being broken. To a nervous client as we appear to have in this situation I'm not sure it's much consolation, in the short run, to know that they're more likely to end up in court tesifying as a witness as opposed to a defendant.

That's leaving aside the unlikelihood of getting assurances that the girl is not trafficked.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here is some information for you regarding the legal aspects of things http://sw5.info/law/

Thanks Pia, that was a very educational, if not slightly confusing, read. But then even the author says it doesn't make a whole lot of sense!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But this is splitting hairs really. In a one-to-one situation no law is being broken but in a brothel situation the law is being broken. To a nervous client as we appear to have in this situation I'm not sure it's much consolation, in the short run, to know that they're more likely to end up in court tesifying as a witness as opposed to a defendant.

That's leaving aside the unlikelihood of getting assurances that the girl is not trafficked.

This is a good point & helps people to see that it is a confusing situation, (hence my post of getting it wrong). I was just talking with a friend who thought the same as me, but he says the law may have changed in recent times. It's a good job that we have people like Pia here who are on the ball.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But this is splitting hairs really. In a one-to-one situation no law is being broken but in a brothel situation the law is being broken. To a nervous client as we appear to have in this situation I'm not sure it's much consolation, in the short run, to know that they're more likely to end up in court tesifying as a witness as opposed to a defendant.

That's leaving aside the unlikelihood of getting assurances that the girl is not trafficked.

l.

It's not 'splitting hairs' it's knowing the legalities of a profession BEFORE you enter it!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But this is splitting hairs really. In a one-to-one situation no law is being broken but in a brothel situation the law is being broken. To a nervous client as we appear to have in this situation I'm not sure it's much consolation, in the short run, to know that they're more likely to end up in court tesifying as a witness as opposed to a defendant.

That's leaving aside the unlikelihood of getting assurances that the girl is not trafficked.

No hair splitting that I see. A guy is no more likely to end up in court over having sex with a girl in a reputable brothel as for an indie. Lets face it, if you use ** its fairly obvious to most that some girls do not write their own profiles. There are guys on that site that email indies asking them to join their 'stable' and offering to answer your emails and bookings enquiries and update your profile for a 'small fee per appointment booked'.. this means that those girls are not actually indies anymore. Some of the girls profiles they send as examples look damn miserable in their pictures too. I think we would be a bit daft to assume the police dont monitor the comings and goings of one of the biggest sex contact directories or that everyone you book from there is actually working independantly.

I was in a brothel once with a client, when I came out I found that the police had been and gone, they just left everyone bonking away in the bedroom. Another time they arrived to check that all the girls were there of their own free will.They were not the least bit interested in meeting or conversing with the clients.

Edited by Chloe MKEscorts

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But this is splitting hairs really. In a one-to-one situation no law is being broken but in a brothel situation the law is being broken. To a nervous client as we appear to have in this situation I'm not sure it's much consolation, in the short run, to know that they're more likely to end up in court tesifying as a witness as opposed to a defendant.

That's leaving aside the unlikelihood of getting assurances that the girl is not trafficked.

As others have rightly said, this is not "splitting hairs". This is the Legalities and Legislation forum, so let's at least get the law right.

It's not illegal to visit a brothel and neither is it illegal for a prositute to work in one. It is though illegal to keep or manage a brothel or to assist in the management of a brothel.

A punter's chance of appearing in court as a witness are minimal, and really not worth worrying about. Punters make terrible witnesses, and reluctant ones at that. They usually have their own interests to protect and can soon end up being treated as "hostile witnesses". It's not difficult for the police/CPS to prove that premises are a brothel. Evidence from test purchase officers together with cash and the usual paraphernalia found at brothels ( eg. adverts, condoms, lube, lingerie , toys, whips etc etc) will be quite sufficient.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Praps a leagle eagle here could say whether one is obliged to give plod ones name and address if at a brothel while it is being raided?

or can we say, what crime have i committed? none? then mind your own business.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Praps a leagle eagle here could say whether one is obliged to give plod ones name and address if at a brothel while it is being raided?

or can we say, what crime have i committed? none? then mind your own business.

This has been covered many times before, I think the general advice is no you are not obliged, but I'd also not recommended you purposely become difficult or draw attention by also being awkward and uncooperative. Police tend not to like smart-arses and can be difficult back.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now