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Are Outcalls legal in the UK?

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I've done a few searches on the board and haven't been able to find any information on the legality of outcalls in the UK. I will be moving there shortly from Canada.

Are outcalls legal in the UK? How about incalls? I apologize if this is a repeat but this would be very useful information!

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Prostitution is not in itself illegal, and it makes no difference whether it takes place at your place or hers.

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I've done a few searches on the board and haven't been able to find any information on the legality of outcalls in the UK. I will be moving there shortly from Canada.

Are outcalls legal in the UK? How about incalls? I apologize if this is a repeat but this would be very useful information!

Prostitution (the provision of sexual services in return for payment) is not illegal, the reason for it being not illegal is because there is no Act/Statute/Law/Edict etc. making it legal or illegal, therefore it is "not illegal", the same holds good for the purchase of sexual services. As far as the "Law" is concerned the terms "Incall" and "Outcall" have no meaning in the context of prostitution.

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I read that selling sex (Prostitution) is illegal in the UK, however, selling "time" during which you can have sex providing both are consenting adults is not illegal.

Im pretty sure it makes no difference if its incall or outcall.

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Good post SASfan. Can the OP please help us in a reciprocal-type manner by telling us the situation in Canada, at least as far as federal laws go?

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I read that selling sex (Prostitution) is illegal in the UK, however, selling "time" during which you can have sex providing both are consenting adults is not illegal

It is a shame such myths continue to be peddled. SASfan has provided a clear summary. The figleaf of 'selling time' may have relevance for some jurisdictions, but not the UK. Of course with (what will doubtless become) the tendency towards standard EU law on all matters, the situation could easily change very quickly in the future..

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I read that selling sex (Prostitution) is illegal in the UK, however, selling "time" during which you can have sex providing both are consenting adults is not illegal.

I'm no expert but as far as I'm aware, selling sex (Prostitution) is NOT illegal in the UK. Many activities surrounding prostitution, e.g. running a brothel, kerb-crawling, soliciting etc., ARE illegal but the act of selling or buying sexual services itself is not illegal. So, you can happily make a deal with a consenting adult of your choice and enjoy your jollies without fear of ending up in the cells.

I think this response, below, from SaSfan (who seems to have impressive knowledge of legal matters!) covers the ground.

Prostitution (the provision of sexual services in return for payment) is not illegal, the reason for it being not illegal is because there is no Act/Statute/Law/Edict etc. making it legal or illegal, therefore it is "not illegal", the same holds good for the purchase of sexual services. As far as the "Law" is concerned the terms "Incall" and "Outcall" have no meaning in the context of prostitution.

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I read that selling sex (Prostitution) is illegal in the UK, however, selling "time" during which you can have sex providing both are consenting adults is not illegal.

Im pretty sure it makes no difference if its incall or outcall.

Not true, provided the girl is over 18. It is illegal to solicit in a public place, so if a girl approaches you in the street, pub etc. or you approach her, then you could get nicked. If you visit a massage parlor, or call an agency to send you a girl etc. then that's not illegal YET!

Dave

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I read that selling sex (Prostitution) is illegal in the UK

Really? Do you have some form of reference or link to that please?

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hey sasfan

it was a while ago, i will have a look and see if i can find it...

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Not true, provided the girl is over 18.

Just to tidy up the legal position concerning prostitution whilst under 18, current legislation relates to the Paying for the sexual services of a child, Causing or inciting child prostitution or pornography, Controlling a child prostitute or a child involved in pornography and Arranging or facilitating child prostitution or pornography, Sections 47 - 50 (inclusive) of The Sexual Offences Act 2003, respectively, the person who is being paid/caused/incited/arranged/facilitated, that is the prostitute, cannot be charged with prostitution, as no such legislation exists.

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hey sasfan

it was a while ago, i will have a look and see if i can find it...

Thanks, I await with interest.

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Thanks, I await with interest.

Meanwhile to answer your point :-

however, selling "time" during which you can have sex providing both are consenting adults is not illegal

Let's assume that providing sexual services for gain and the paying for sexual services is illegal and that the T&C disclaimer

Nothing implied or inferred within these pages or through any form of correspondence or telephone conversation is to be taken as an inducement for payment for anything other than time and companionship. Anything that occurs between you the client(s) and the escort(s) of your choice is based on the strict understanding that it will be a matter of coincidence and choice between consenting adults.

or like drivel is used as a defence.

Logically the T&C disclaimer would only be used if there is evidence to prove that sexual services were provided for gain and/or payment was made for sexual services (otherwise you would just keep your trap shut because you are innocent until proved guilty), so if it can be proved that sexual services were provided for gain and/or payment was made for sexual services, of what use is a disclaimer saying that you don't do something where there is evidence to prove that you did do it? Conversely, of what use is a T&C disclaimer if there is no evidence to prove that you did do what your disclaimer says you don't do?

Irrespective of the legal status of prostitution, a T&C disclaimer is either not needed (prostitution being not illegal) or its only use is as a comfort blanket (prostitution being illegal).

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I read that selling sex (Prostitution) is illegal in the UK, however, selling "time" during which you can have sex providing both are consenting adults is not illegal.

Under current UK law it is not illegal to buy or sell sex ------ that "time and companionship" clause is a load on nonsense. :confused:

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Logically the T&C disclaimer would only be used if there is evidence to prove that sexual services were provided for gain and/or payment was made for sexual services (otherwise you would just keep your trap shut because you are innocent until proved guilty), so if it can be proved that sexual services were provided for gain and/or payment was made for sexual services, of what use is a disclaimer saying that you don't do something where there is evidence to prove that you did do it? Conversely, of what use is a T&C disclaimer if there is no evidence to prove that you did do what your disclaimer says you don't do?

Irrespective of the legal status of prostitution, a T&C disclaimer is either not needed (prostitution being not illegal) or its only use is as a comfort blanket (prostitution being illegal)

I think the presumption of innocence does not apply in all jurisdictions; hence there may be a point to the disclaimer in those places.

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sasfan - sorry, couldnt find the article. I may have misinterpreted it anyway.

If prostitution, selling sex etc is not illegal then why are police forever raiding brothels and massage parlours and closing them down?

What part of running a brothel is illegal if its not the "selling sex" bit?

thats what worries me when going to these places as the last thing I want is some copper barging in when I got me cock out...

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if prostitution, selling sex etc is not illegal then why are police forever raiding brothels and massage parlours and closing them down?

the reason for police forever raiding brothels and massage parlours and closing them down is due to section 33 (keeping a brothel) of the sexual offences act 1956, where it states "it is an offence for a person to keep a brothel, or to manage, or act or assist in the management of, a brothel.".

what part of running a brothel is illegal if its not the "selling sex" bit?

running a brothel is not selling sex, that particular act is done by a prostitute as detailed in section 51 (sections 48 to 50: Interpretation) of the sexual offences act 2003, as i detailed above the keeping, managing etc. a brothel is an offence.

thats what worries me when going to these places as the last thing i want is some copper barging in when i got me cock out...

if you visit a brothel it is possible, although not very probable, that it will be raided, all other things being equal they really do not have the slightest interest in you or your cock (out or otherwise) or the prostitute(s), there is nothing they can charge you or them with in relation to prostitution.

What is of more interest is why do my upper case characters keep being changed to lower case when I use them in making additions to your quote? Very strange.

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sasfan - sorry, couldnt find the article. I may have misinterpreted it anyway.

If prostitution, selling sex etc is not illegal then why are police forever raiding brothels and massage parlours and closing them down?

What part of running a brothel is illegal if its not the "selling sex" bit?

thats what worries me when going to these places as the last thing I want is some copper barging in when I got me cock out...

It is illegal to run a brothel, it is not illegal to be a client of a brothel --although if you are caught up in a raid you are unlikely to get a refund as you will have come under starters orders. :);)

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thanks sasfan and jimmy.

Are u a lawyer, sasfan? u sound like one. if you are and i get in this kind of trouble then im gonna call u for help! lol

Kerbcrawling is def illegal right? I have never done it but I have seen these Vice Squad programs where kerbcrawlers have been caught and taken to court.

On the program that came on last night on Ch5, they showed some raiding of brothels in East London and although they didnt arrest the punter they warned him that if he was caught again in another raid then he would be arrested?? Whats the deal with that?

Also, do SOHO walkups ever get raided? I mean, if we can find them surely so can the police

Re your question about CAPS, Galahad doesnt seem to like them. He does state that if FRs are written in CAPS then they will be rejected! no idea why though...

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On the program that came on last night on Ch5, they showed some raiding of brothels in East London and although they didnt arrest the punter they warned him that if he was caught again in another raid then he would be arrested?? Whats the deal with that?

Sounds like they were giving him bullshit, arrest him for what. ????????

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Kerbcrawling is def illegal right? I have never done it but I have seen these Vice Squad programs where kerbcrawlers have been caught and taken to court.

Yes, kerbcrawling is illegal, you don't even have to be in a vehical to get arrested, approaching prostitutes on foot is also an offence.

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Sounds like they were giving him bullshit, arrest him for what. ????????

That's exactly what I thought.

------ that "time and companionship" clause is a load on nonsense.

And about as effective as your local crack den putting up a sign saying "We do not sell crack cocaine in these premises"

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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Are u a lawyer, sasfan? u sound like one.

No I am not a lawyer, in fact I am a total fraud, I know nothing about legislation concerning prostitution, and that is because currently there is no legislation concerning prostitution. There are a few bits of legislation that contain the phrase "for the purposes of prostitution" and the like, but as a punter they are of little or no interest (other than providing something to pass the time between now and when the lid is screwed down) to me, neither myself or a prostitute can be charged with paying a prostitute/prostitution, and that is really all that you or I or any other punter/prostitute needs to know. You can read acres of drivel/myth/urban legend concerning prostitution but in the end it all disappears like the early morning mist when you ask the question "Under what clause/section of which act will someone be charged with".

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What is of more interest is why do my upper case characters keep being changed to lower case when I use them in making additions to your quote? Very strange.

Case dismissed! :)

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So can I get this right:

A punter visiting a brothel can't be charged with anything?

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