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Plans To Change Ni Prostitution And Trafficking Laws

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Here we go again :unsure:

"For instance, in Sweden, there's a very clear message of zero tolerance for the purchase of sex that has had a clear impact on trafficking."

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It's a private members bill, one man's idea with a few signatures from radfems et al. Nothing to worry about esp. when you read the quote from the Irish justice minister at the end.

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Its a northern Ireland measure. Won't affect. England scotland or wales.

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Northern Ireland has never really had a great sex industry! Ironically this is the sort of topic ie client crimnalisation which will unite its generally redneck gobshite politicians! Re the comment Of Alan Shatter at the bottom of the article, he is the minister for Justice and Defence, essentially a super home secretary in the Republic, not Northern Ireland which is a separate jurisdiction! A consultation forum has been set up in Ireland (The Republic) on prostitution and is seeking submissions written/e-mails from interested parties on all sides until August 31. I will start a thread on this soon. If you have ideas on stopping trafficking as EU citizens you have the right to submit your views, if you view the Swedish model as insane and a clear danger to work women please also submit your views! The likelihood is that unless there are constitutional difficulties (which there could well be), The Republic Of Ireland will adopt the Swedish model before the end of the year, thus endangering the lives of women and making a laughing stock out of the country once again!

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i've submitted my view that swedens "final solution" to prostitution has made it more dangerous for women, new zealands enlightened legislation has empowered and liberated women who choose sex work.

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Northern Ireland are in the political process of making paying for sex a criminal offence see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19328666

The Northern Ireland legislative is planning to completely outlaw the purchase of sex, they say, to stop trafficking of sex workers, haven't we been here before with this? It says that Northern Ireland will take the lead, and like Sweden will irradicate trafficking by effectively a complete ban on prostitution, if this goes through the fact that the term "lead" has been mentioned seems to imply that the rest of the UK will follow, this would mean no more Punting, no more fun, no more enjoyment, a cruel and vindictive act, depriving those who are disabled and those who are unable to form a loving relationship acccess to sexual intercourse, as well as wll who subscribe to this forum. A very bleak outlook indeed. Does anyone else have further information on this?

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Why just Northern Ireland- aren't they in a power sharing agreement with the Republic of Ireland* (*who have a long history of paramilitaries using Drugs and Prostitution to fund their activities)?

Personally speaking there is always worldwide travel if the Law did come to the UK but I doubt it.

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OH FFS! :angry:

Goes into all caps lock RAGE!

Will someone please get these puritan dim-witted pathetic individuals out of government, the press and the PLANET SO THEY STOP BREATHING MY OXYGEN!

Yes, some women and children are exploited and trafficked. Yes we should do everything possible to protect them and I hope every responsible punter on this forum would get the police involved if we suspect as much.

The fact is I like punting, I would like to punt more. I would also like for the whole thing to be legalised and regulated so that there is a smaller risk of raids if I go to a properly run parlour. Where the owner is free from prosecution if something goes seriously wrong (like a heart attack or robbery). Where I am given a bill for "services rendered" and VAT is paid. That the girls can join a pension scheme and have wage slips to get a mortgage. That owner has to pass some qualifications to ensure minimum standards of hygiene, ID checking, finance, health and safety and first aid.

When I punt, I want an affordable punt, a value for money punt, a quality punt. Most of all I want a punt where both parties bring to the table as much as they want to take. To me it is about pleasure. Part of that pleasure is sexual release, another part is having a safe environment and that the lady I am with receives fair "reward" for her work. For the lady it should be about safety and security in the workplace, fair reward for the "services rendered", and if clients give her a nice time all the better (whether personality or sexually). The agency/parlour needs to receive appropriate reward for providing the environment as well if the lady is not independent, whatever that means in the industry. If it means I have to pay an extra £10 or £20 an hour, so be it. Prices in Milton Keynes have not gone up with inflation since I started punting in 1998.

How do they think criminalising the sex industry even more is going help? So it's illegal for me to pay a prostitute for sex? Does that mean I can get it for free or do I now have to pay my mate for him to pay her for me to have sex with the prostitute? ;) More seriously, as an honest punter and predominantly good guy I would be much more loath to call the police if I found a lady in distress if she were being coerced (I have found myself in that situation and was prepared to end up with serious embarassment by going to court as a witness, because it was the right to do) or an ambulance if someone became seriously ill or an armed robbery was taking place.

As for me, I will be answering to the consultation to tell them to get stuffed. We need to make a stand and be counted. This will drive it underground and make life worse for the genuine working girl, punters, agency/parlour operators and most importantly to the victims of exploitation and trafficking.

GGGRRRRRRR!!!! SMALL MINDED UPPER MIDDLE CLASS TWATS!!!! :angry:

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It seems there are two posts on this topic. One will be deleted so I am copying and pasting what I said in t'other one so my opinion is shared:

"OH FFS! :angry:

Goes into all caps lock RAGE!

Will someone please get these puritan dim-witted pathetic individuals out of government, the press and the PLANET SO THEY STOP BREATHING MY OXYGEN!

Yes, some women and children are exploited and trafficked. Yes we should do everything possible to protect them and I hope every responsible punter on this forum would get the police involved if we suspect as much.

The fact is I like punting, I would like to punt more. I would also like for the whole thing to be legalised and regulated so that there is a smaller risk of raids if I go to a properly run parlour. Where the owner is free from prosecution if something goes seriously wrong (like a heart attack or robbery). Where I am given a bill for "services rendered" and VAT is paid. That the girls can join a pension scheme and have wage slips to get a mortgage. That owner has to pass some qualifications to ensure minimum standards of hygiene, ID checking, finance, health and safety and first aid.

When I punt, I want an affordable punt, a value for money punt, a quality punt. Most of all I want a punt where both parties bring to the table as much as they want to take. To me it is about pleasure. Part of that pleasure is sexual release, another part is having a safe environment and that the lady I am with receives fair "reward" for her work. For the lady it should be about safety and security in the workplace, fair reward for the "services rendered", and if clients give her a nice time all the better (whether personality or sexually). The agency/parlour needs to receive appropriate reward for providing the environment as well if the lady is not independent, whatever that means in the industry. If it means I have to pay an extra £10 or £20 an hour, so be it. Prices in Milton Keynes have not gone up with inflation since I started punting in 1998.

How do they think criminalising the sex industry even more is going help? So it's illegal for me to pay a prostitute for sex? Does that mean I can get it for free or do I now have to pay my mate for him to pay her for me to have sex with the prostitute? ;) More seriously, as an honest punter and predominantly good guy I would be much more loath to call the police if I found a lady in distress if she were being coerced (I have found myself in that situation and was prepared to end up with serious embarassment by going to court as a witness, because it was the right to do) or an ambulance if someone became seriously ill or an armed robbery was taking place.

As for me, I will be answering to the consultation to tell them to get stuffed. We need to make a stand and be counted. This will drive it underground and make life worse for the genuine working girl, punters, agency/parlour operators and most importantly to the victims of exploitation and trafficking.

GGGRRRRRRR!!!! SMALL MINDED UPPER MIDDLE CLASS TWATS!!!! :angry: "

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The Northern Ireland legislative is planning to completely outlaw the purchase of sex, they say, to stop trafficking of sex workers, haven't we been here before with this? It says that Northern Ireland will take the lead, and like Sweden will irradicate trafficking by effectively a complete ban on prostitution, if this goes through the fact that the term "lead" has been mentioned seems to imply that the rest of the UK will follow, this would mean no more Punting......

Yes, you are correct. We have heard it all before. This isn't the first time that a group of politicians have proposed something, and it won't be the last time.

As usual nothing will come of it.

Even if it happens in N.I. what makes you think that similar laws will be enacted in the rest of the UK ?

Following the murders of 3 prostitutes in Bradford, David Cameron said in 2010 that the decriminalisation of prostitution should be looked at again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10188142

Needless to say - nothing has happened.

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Northern Ireland are in the political process of making paying for sex a criminal offence see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19328666

The Northern Ireland legislative is planning to completely outlaw the purchase of sex, they say, to stop trafficking of sex workers, haven't we been here before with this? It says that Northern Ireland will take the lead, and like Sweden will irradicate trafficking by effectively a complete ban on prostitution, if this goes through the fact that the term "lead" has been mentioned seems to imply that the rest of the UK will follow, this would mean no more Punting, no more fun, no more enjoyment, a cruel and vindictive act, depriving those who are disabled and those who are unable to form a loving relationship acccess to sexual intercourse, as well as wll who subscribe to this forum. A very bleak outlook indeed. Does anyone else have further information on this?

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It's a private members bill. One NI MP's idea with the requisite number of signatures from a few others. It's not an official gov't bill, it's got virtually no chance of getting anywhere. Hope that clears it up.

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Reading my bible I note stories about prostitutes dating back to 800Bc. The Greeks had prostitutes in 500BC. Since then we have had all kinds of religions, all kinds of political systems and all kind of dictatorships in the world. They have all come and gone but prostitution goes on forever.

Men want sex and are prepared to pay for it. Some women will sell sex. How on earth arethey going to devise a new way to stop it that has not been tried and failed before?

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i've submitted my view that swedens "final solution" to prostitution has made it more dangerous for women, new zealands enlightened legislation has empowered and liberated women who choose sex work.

Do you have an email or postal address to which submissions shoud be sent? Do you have to be an Irish citizen in order to qualify to send a submission?

Thanks.

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Do you have to be an Irish citizen in order to qualify to send a submission?

Thanks.

Why/How on Earth would someone need to be an Irish Citizen in order to qualify to send a submission to UK institution?

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Thanks Laura.

I notice that document says "The closing date for receipt of submissions is Friday 11th August 2012 at 5 p.m.". I wonder whether:-

a. The closing date has been extended

b. Youveryniceman has submitted his comments too late

c. Youveryniceman submitted his comments over 10 days before his post of 21 August in this thread

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Thanks Laura.

I notice that document says "The closing date for receipt of submissions is Friday 11th August 2012 at 5 p.m.". I wonder whether:-

a. The closing date has been extended

b. Youveryniceman has submitted his comments too late

c. Youveryniceman submitted his comments over 10 days before his post of 21 August in this thread

Sorry, to clarify, the deadline for the ROI has been extended to Aug 31st, see here -----> http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/mediazone/pressreleases/name-8688-en.html

For NI it is Oct 18th.

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Laura.

Thanks very much for posting the link to the Republic of Ireland's submission address! The closing date is looming close as it's August 31 and remember, the post may take 2/3 days to arrive, so please get cracking if you wish to help Irish WGs and Punters!

Please remember my fellow posters that N.Ireland is different entirely legally from the Republic and the closing date and submission address are different, it's in October in this case!

I will start a thread on this (re the Republic) later on tonight as we really need help at this stage!It merits one of its own in all fairness!

The most valuable sort of help would be a working lady who would be willing to appear before the committee to put an articulate face on that end of the biz and make it clear a woman can work in this biz by choice and or a means to a goal etc and also point out that from experience the vast vast majority of punters are anything but 'Paid For Rapists'!

I have had a look at the members of this ( Republic Of Ireland ) committee and it certainly contains at least 1 stomach churning redneck who would like to see my country driven back to the theocratic insane catholic state it was for the first 70 years of its existence and it also contains 1 Fake Socialist so called feminist who seems to think very inconsistently ie It's a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body re abortion, but that very same woman indeed all women would be to feeble minded to be allowed to voluntarily sell sexual services with that very same body!

Re Cameron's comment on decriminalisation, don't forget Prostitution from the woman's perspective in selling is decriminalised in Sweden, yet it's insanely illegal to buy this legal service there! It has of course made Sweden a Trafficker's paradise and given the small minority of psychotic punters who do exist carte blanche to cause serious harm to women, with the biz being driven more underground!

It may seem insignificant that it will almost certainly be criminalised in N.Ireland as it's not on the UK mainland but it will bring overwhelming pressure to follow suit both in the Republic and Mainland UK!

This impending change to the Insane Swedish Model has to be faught at every cornet!

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thanks to laura for the link to submissions,i'd have posted but laura beat me to it!

I actually found the link via the facebook page of: turn off the red light, a moral supremacist group.

the moral supremacists invariably avoid answering an important question- whats going to happen to sex workers forced into compulsory redundancy?

who's going to pay their bills and feed & clothe their children,especially as jobs are difficult to come by anyway, are the moral supremacists going to compensate sex workers for losing their jobs?

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.... if this goes through the fact that the term "lead" has been mentioned seems to imply that the rest of the UK will follow, this would mean no more Punting

It may seem insignificant that it will almost certainly be criminalised in N.Ireland as it's not on the UK mainland but it will bring overwhelming pressure to follow suit both in the Republic and Mainland UK!

I'm really struggling to come up with good examples of where statutes in E & W take their lead from those in NI. Usually it's the other way round.

Have you any examples?

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"The bill aims to enhance services for victims as well as making it an offence to pay for sexual services from a prostitute."

http://www.bbc.co.uk...reland-19328666

Period of "consultation" ending 18 October.

I notice that the BBC News article states that:

Proposed changes to the laws on prostitution and human trafficking in Northern Ireland are due to go out to public consultation later.

Anyone know if the NI consultation period has started yet and if so where comments shoud be sent?

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I notice that the BBC News article states that:

Proposed changes to the laws on prostitution and human trafficking in Northern Ireland are due to go out to public consultation later.

Anyone know if the NI consultation period has started yet and if so where comments shoud be sent?

The DUP press release dated 21 August says

Lord Morrow has officially launched the consultation on his Human Trafficking & Exploitation (Further Provisions & Support for Victims) Bill. Speaking from Stormont, where the official launch took place, Lord Morrow said, [blah blah blah]

http://www.dup.org.uk/articles.asp?ArticleNewsID=4717

As the BBC's article was published at 06:59 on 21 August it probably should have read 'are due to go out to public consultation later today'

The press release has a link to Lord Morrow's contact details. Presumably he (or his office) would love to receive your comments.

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Folks, just a reminder that the closing date for submissions (I have a specific thread on this) to the parliamentary commission in the Irish Republic is 5.00 today! It's effectively the last chance to stop The Swedish Model being introduced in Ireland with inevitable contagion and most importantly putting vulnerable women's lives in danger! Also some of the sponsors of this model also want internet censorship wrt to the business and even preventing people from purchasing mobile phones without registering! Your help is much appreciated!

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