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There's an interesting thread over on the SAAFE forum at the moment about WGs charging less than they used to. As it's a topic that seems to come up here routinely, it's interesting to see the discussion from the other side for a change. Personally, I have noticed prices drifting down from around £150 p.h, to around £120-130 p.h. over the last few years where I am. Evitably somebody jumps into the discussion and blames an influx of foreigners for driving down the acceptable price.

This is one of my favourite quotes:

I dont get it, Im selling my body here. I pay my hairdresser £110 to cut and streak my hair, and dosent have to worry about weirdos, sore bits,STD`s or getting outed.

Seems to me that if you can afford to pay the hairdresser £110 a time, that you can't be doing that badly in this recession (Mrs Chip pays half that for the same treatment).

Any thoughts?

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Its been £60 half hour £120 hour mostly since 2008 in the midlands. not seen any change.

But then we have had inflation and that is really a £10 decrease.

(and the rates i get as an IT contractor are about the same as 2008 too...)

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Low end - I've been paying 50-60 for half an hour since 1995. Now you seem to get a log more free. It's a given that for 60 pounds you get OWO/CIM, and only have to pay extra for swallow, anal.

Hign end prices seem to be more, though I rarely partake.

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It is always the law of supply and demand. Around 2000, the typical fee in the NE was £100 to £120 but there were far fewer girls and agencies. For a while it did seem some girls were going for much more, say those on NA, over £150 and even £200, but these fees seemed to have slipped back. There will be far more WGs in any particular area now but the number of punters will not have risen pro rata.

There was a NE girl, back on 2001 or so, who was top of the league in terms of FRs and she was reputed to be earning over £150k per year. That was no doubt possible then but while there are girls earning good money now I doubt if any are in that league.

As always in punting paying top prices does not mean the best service. There will be plenty of good girls charging £100 p h who have a loyal following and make a good living. On the other hand there are girls charging £150 that don't get guys returning and there are only so many punters out there!

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Low end - I've been paying 50-60 for half an hour since 1995. Now you seem to get a log more free. It's a given that for 60 pounds you get OWO/CIM, and only have to pay extra for swallow, anal.

Hign end prices seem to be more, though I rarely partake.

Around here Chinese places are £50 for half hour +£10 for OW and CIM is usually not available. Where do you get full service inc CIM for £6?. EE girls?

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Prices are also becoming increasingly negotiable.

The number of quality RB bids are increasing, and ladies are increasingly happy to carry the bid price (frequently a 30% or more discount to their normal rate) over to future bookings if I don't choose them for the original booking.

A lot of WGs don't like people asking for a discount, but will often offer one if you manoeuvre the conversation correctly so that they're the ones who bring it up.

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I dont get it, Im selling my body here. I pay my hairdresser £110 to cut and streak my hair, and dosent have to worry about weirdos, sore bits,STD`s or getting outed.

Seems to me that if you can afford to pay the hairdresser £110 a time, that you can't be doing that badly in this recession (Mrs Chip pays half that for the same treatment).

Any thoughts?

I agree with you.

You cannot compare the two - to get to a stage that a hairdresser charges £110 to cut and streak someone's hair takes training and years of working in a salon at barely the minimum wage. However a prostitute can start working immediately. Also, unlike most other professions, she can stop and start whenever she chooses.

You hear the same ridiculous argument that lawyers charge hundreds per hour so why shouldn't prostitutes.

It's simply supply and demand. If more girls enter the market place and there are fewer punters then the price will go down. Either that or there won't be enough work so their earnings will go down anyway. If an escort is gorgeous, intelligent and sexy then obviously she can charge a higher price but only because there are less gorgeous, intelligent and sexy girls than plain ones.

I don't understand why girls get so offended when people haggle. If she has enough work at the price level she is offering then she can simply turn the guy down. However it seems to be "don't dare asking for a discount as a 'fuck off' might offend" - it might not be that the potential punter doesn't think the girl is worth it at that price - it might be that he can't afford it and wants to ask if she is prepared to negotiate? What would an escort prefer? A punt at a slightly lower price or no punt at all if the guy is too scared to ask for a discount?

At the end of the day it all boils down to economics.

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I agree with you.

You cannot compare the two - to get to a stage that a hairdresser charges £110 to cut and streak someone's hair takes training and years of working in a salon at barely the minimum wage. However a prostitute can start working immediately. Also, unlike most other professions, she can stop and start whenever she chooses.

You hear the same ridiculous argument that lawyers charge hundreds per hour so why shouldn't prostitutes.

It's simply supply and demand. If more girls enter the market place and there are fewer punters then the price will go down. Either that or there won't be enough work so their earnings will go down anyway. If an escort is gorgeous, intelligent and sexy then obviously she can charge a higher price but only because there are less gorgeous, intelligent and sexy girls than plain ones.

I don't understand why girls get so offended when people haggle. If she has enough work at the price level she is offering then she can simply turn the guy down. However it seems to be "don't dare asking for a discount as a 'fuck off' might offend" - it might not be that the potential punter doesn't think the girl is worth it at that price - it might be that he can't afford it and wants to ask if she is prepared to negotiate? What would an escort prefer? A punt at a slightly lower price or no punt at all if the guy is too scared to ask for a discount?

At the end of the day it all boils down to economics.

***awaits expected backlash*** :eek:

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Prices have been pretty static for a number of years now (not including the marginal £10(ish) increase/decrease we see from time to time)...

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There's an interesting thread over on the SAAFE forum at the moment about WGs charging less than they used to. As it's a topic that seems to come up here routinely, it's interesting to see the discussion from the other side for a change. Personally, I have noticed prices drifting down from around £150 p.h, to around £120-130 p.h. over the last few years where I am. Evitably somebody jumps into the discussion and blames an influx of foreigners for driving down the acceptable price.

This is one of my favourite quotes:

I dont get it, Im selling my body here. I pay my hairdresser £110 to cut and streak my hair, and dosent have to worry about weirdos, sore bits,STD`s or getting outed.

Seems to me that if you can afford to pay the hairdresser £110 a time, that you can't be doing that badly in this recession (Mrs Chip pays half that for the same treatment).

Any thoughts?

EE Indie prices in my punting area of London have come down on average significantly since the recession began in 2008. Nowadays sub £100 an hour is widely advertised. Ten years ago punting with Indies cost me more than it does now. So both allowing for inflation and in actuality prices are on average less, this includes all Indies but obviously some have bucked the trend and increased their prices. Up to them what they charge, punters will decide by not booking if its too much.

On the other hand few Agencies in London i have noticed have reduced their fees or Parlours, in fact both the Bunny Lounge who quoted me £200 an hour with no kissing on offer when it was £180 an hour with DFK before they moved from Tufnell Park and HOD SK have increased their prices in recent time, HOD from £120 to £130 an hour, still cheaper than any reputable Agency i know of.

On the party scene LMP raised their prices from £120 to £140 for 2 hours. Pams Parties went from £60 to £70. Adult Parties London aka the Limelight Club who i dont rate myself cut some of their prices.

As i wont pay the outrageous as i see them prices of Agencies nowadays that leaves Indies, Parlours and Parties for me that are of interest, all three options i have used since 2008. By far the most striking differences in cost are Indie prices especially EE WGs.

Speaking to a number over the years some had the thinking of start cheap thus undercutting their competition and if intending to stay here for a while build up a regular base and then increase prices. Others only here for a short while charge cheap prices to get as many punters as possible, work a lot to make as much in the time they are here and disappear overnight back home.

English Indies in my experience have rarely cut prices excluding Reverse Bookings, some have increased them as is their business and from some i have spoken to have a good regular base and simply dont need to cut prices.

As i punt according to what i have already pre-determined i am prepared to pay its not a problem to me, i just dont bother in the first place with those charging over £200 an hour. They are nevers in this lifetime again end of. If £200 or under i might pay that rate if i rate the WG enough. Since 2008 the most i have paid is £180 an hour, money very well spent in my view but i rarely need to pay anywhere near that. There are many good well reviewed WGs at £120-150 an hour and i had my cheapest 121 punt in recent years last year with a lovely EE WG now long gone at £70 an hour. Many good punts since 2008 at £80-120 an hour.

I have no interest in them myself but some WGs who have left their hour rates the same have increased half hour rates i have noticed. So pro-rata its sometimes the case the punter is charged more and this has definitely increased with some. What was previously £50-60 for the 30minutes is now £60-70 or more with the hour rate of £80-100 the same. Again though on the other hand some EE WGs are charging £40-60 for 30minutes and £60-80 for an hour.

Quickies being another option with some Indies that has increased since 2008, again zero interest to me.

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I spent yesterday fielding numerous calls of the "I am young and good looking and you will love it, so is it okay if I just give you £20/£30? Will bring bottle of wine" variety. Honestly. Quite a few of them. I was very polite and said, "Look sweetheart, thats not really how it works", and that type of thing. I totally understand that it's an expensive service, but I think there is a difference between someone asking for a little bit of discount and somebody asking you to fuck them for the price of a fish supper and a pint.

I take Chipotle's point about £110 being a lot to pay a hairdresser, but conversely I do spend a fair bit of money and time making sure I look as fabulous as possible for bookings. They are paying for an experience, I'm not going to open that door without being fully made up, expensive stockings, heels, sexy underwear, hair shiny and deep conditioned, make up discreet but immaculate.....you know? We won't get onto how much floggers and whips and rubber dresses cost for the moment. I'm just saying, it's not a matter of rolling out of bed , putting a scabby dressing gown on, and being prepared to open your legs.

Like anything, there is a market value, and you pitch your price according to where you think it will be attractive to customers, and you won't feel you are undervaluing yourself. And if you find you are pricing yourself out of the market, you may review that. And as Smiths mentioned, we are deep in a recession, and luxuries are the first thing to go in that situation, that affects all of us.

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I agree with you.

You cannot compare the two - to get to a stage that a hairdresser charges £110 to cut and streak someone's hair takes training and years of working in a salon at barely the minimum wage. However a prostitute can start working immediately. Also, unlike most other professions, she can stop and start whenever she chooses.

You hear the same ridiculous argument that lawyers charge hundreds per hour so why shouldn't prostitutes.

It's simply supply and demand. If more girls enter the market place and there are fewer punters then the price will go down. Either that or there won't be enough work so their earnings will go down anyway. If an escort is gorgeous, intelligent and sexy then obviously she can charge a higher price but only because there are less gorgeous, intelligent and sexy girls than plain ones.

I don't understand why girls get so offended when people haggle. If she has enough work at the price level she is offering then she can simply turn the guy down. However it seems to be "don't dare asking for a discount as a 'fuck off' might offend" - it might not be that the potential punter doesn't think the girl is worth it at that price - it might be that he can't afford it and wants to ask if she is prepared to negotiate? What would an escort prefer? A punt at a slightly lower price or no punt at all if the guy is too scared to ask for a discount?

At the end of the day it all boils down to economics.

I've said this before, but I think WGs should charge whatever they are comfortable with, and punters should see whoever they want to - market forces will sort out the rest. The bit in the SAAFE thread I was a bit surprised by was the apparent attitude of entitlement to a high price from many of the posters (for balance there were a lot of posters talking sense as well). The OP seemed to think that because she was selling her body, and not her mind (or hairdressing skills) that she is entitled to charge a lot of money(which is her choice), and that everyone else should do the same too so that punters have to pay this price (which is none of her business). Further down there are disparaging comments about girls who charge less, and also the punters that use them. Another one of my favourite quotes about reduced prices:

i think some of them [punters] have lost their minds and seem to think gorgeous ladies should shag them for barely nothing

I do realise that forum is a place for escorts to vent, and that it shouldn't all be taken that seriously, but you can't have it both ways. I do wonder if the OP would switch her hairdresser if she found one around the corner who charged £90, rather than £110 for the same cut and streak?

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I spent yesterday fielding numerous calls of the "I am young and good looking and you will love it, so is it okay if I just give you £20/£30? Will bring bottle of wine" variety. Honestly. Quite a few of them. I was very polite and said, "Look sweetheart, thats not really how it works", and that type of thing. I totally understand that it's an expensive service, but I think there is a difference between someone asking for a little bit of discount and somebody asking you to fuck them for the price of a fish supper and a pint.

I take Chipotle's point about £110 being a lot to pay a hairdresser, but conversely I do spend a fair bit of money and time making sure I look as fabulous as possible for bookings. They are paying for an experience, I'm not going to open that door without being fully made up, expensive stockings, heels, sexy underwear, hair shiny and deep conditioned, make up discreet but immaculate.....you know? We won't get onto how much floggers and whips and rubber dresses cost for the moment. I'm just saying, it's not a matter of rolling out of bed , putting a scabby dressing gown on, and being prepared to open your legs.

Like anything, there is a market value, and you pitch your price according to where you think it will be attractive to customers, and you won't feel you are undervaluing yourself. And if you find you are pricing yourself out of the market, you may review that. And as Smiths mentioned, we are deep in a recession, and luxuries are the first thing to go in that situation, that affects all of us.

That makes a lot of sense - the efforts you girls go to to look nice for punters does not go un-noticed (at least by me) and I'm sure it is expensive, although from reading this forum I think there are some girls who take the 'scabby dressing gown' approach to things as well.

Do you get a lot of offers along the lines of 'I'm really fit/have a huge nob, can I have a discount?' The mind boggles. Maybe I should try that when I next go to the hairdressers 'I have really nice hair - you'll love cutting it, plus I have some really interesting holiday plans we can talk about - can I have a discount?' :P

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I agree with you.

You cannot compare the two - to get to a stage that a hairdresser charges £110 to cut and streak someone's hair takes training and years of working in a salon at barely the minimum wage. However a prostitute can start working immediately. Also, unlike most other professions, she can stop and start whenever she chooses.

You hear the same ridiculous argument that lawyers charge hundreds per hour so why shouldn't prostitutes.

It's simply supply and demand. If more girls enter the market place and there are fewer punters then the price will go down. Either that or there won't be enough work so their earnings will go down anyway. If an escort is gorgeous, intelligent and sexy then obviously she can charge a higher price but only because there are less gorgeous, intelligent and sexy girls than plain ones.

I don't understand why girls get so offended when people haggle. If she has enough work at the price level she is offering then she can simply turn the guy down. However it seems to be "don't dare asking for a discount as a 'fuck off' might offend" - it might not be that the potential punter doesn't think the girl is worth it at that price - it might be that he can't afford it and wants to ask if she is prepared to negotiate? What would an escort prefer? A punt at a slightly lower price or no punt at all if the guy is too scared to ask for a discount?

At the end of the day it all boils down to economics.

since when does gorgeous intelligent and sexy come in a standard box though. This can be applied to most women in and outside of the industry as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Fact is that if men are prepared to pay the price a girl is asking then by default they must find her sexy even if she doesnt qualify for the discription as the media dictate to us nowadays.

No it doesnt take years of training to become a prostitute, in that you are correct so by default it should be a lot cheaper than a hairdresser etc right...wrong! Hairdressers dont have someone licking them, fingering them, fucking them in the most intimate ways which in itself isnt such a bad job to be in right, the trouble comes when you encounter the twats and the not so cleans, the arsy types and the stalker types, the guys who seem just fine till they are balls deep then pound you till your fanny hurts, the risks of catching sti no matter how careful you are regarding your clients health and cleanliness. Please dont say a girl should only offer covered services only as we both know that you guys want kissing, owo, cim etc and will just chose to spend your hard earned with a girl who does if one girl doesnt offer these services and I have seen the proof of this in the number of guys who phone up and ask for owo and kissing, its a deal breaker 90% of the time if the girl does not offer these things at least at discretion. THIS is where the prostitute has the right to charge the higher rate despite not having any training.

Also...being drop dead sexy gorgeous and having every many drool at the sight of you does not mean you are an even half decent fuck..you can still be shite in bed so why should a girl be entitled to charge more for how she looks, surely it should be on how she performs her dirty duties.xx

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I've said this before, but I think WGs should charge whatever they are comfortable with, and punters should see whoever they want to - market forces will sort out the rest. The bit in the SAAFE thread I was a bit surprised by was the apparent attitude of entitlement to a high price from many of the posters (for balance there were a lot of posters talking sense as well). The OP seemed to think that because she was selling her body, and not her mind (or hairdressing skills) that she is entitled to charge a lot of money(which is her choice), and that everyone else should do the same too so that punters have to pay this price (which is none of her business). Further down there are disparaging comments about girls who charge less, and also the punters that use them. Another one of my favourite quotes about reduced prices:

i think some of them [punters] have lost their minds and seem to think gorgeous ladies should shag them for barely nothing

I do realise that forum is a place for escorts to vent, and that it shouldn't all be taken that seriously, but you can't have it both ways. I do wonder if the OP would switch her hairdresser if she found one around the corner who charged £90, rather than £110 for the same cut and streak?

In reality IMO many WGs especially foreign WGs have never heard of SAAFE or here so just like posters like Interested on here used to try to advise punters to only pay a certain amount or all go on strike as he once put it to my amusement, this WG is pissing in the wind and its not going to happen anytime soon if ever.

No idea of the numbers obviously but going on my own experiences of talking to WGs, that of punters i know, trust and/or respect and reading punting forums for years its a low number of both punters and WGs that are aware or interested in sites like this and SAAFE. While that is the case some punters will always equate paying more must mean better and WGs will continue to charge what they wish. Its not organised enough by far to reach enough WGs or punters to get a uniform pricing structure. And long may that continue in my view. I want the free market to continue, and god bless those foreign WGs who came here and shook punting to its core.

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No it doesnt take years of training to become a prostitute, in that you are correct so by default it should be a lot cheaper than a hairdresser etc right...wrong! Hairdressers dont have someone licking them, fingering them, fucking them in the most intimate ways which in itself isnt such a bad job to be in right, the trouble comes when you encounter the twats and the not so cleans, the arsy types and the stalker types, the guys who seem just fine till they are balls deep then pound you till your fanny hurts, the risks of catching sti no matter how careful you are regarding your clients health and cleanliness.

exactly. hairdressers do not risk their health or deal with physical pain. Bin men get paid a high salary....why? because their job involves dealing with dirt and possibly disease. they don't need training.

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since when does gorgeous intelligent and sexy come in a standard box though. This can be applied to most women in and outside of the industry as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Fact is that if men are prepared to pay the price a girl is asking then by default they must find her sexy even if she doesnt qualify for the discription as the media dictate to us nowadays.

No it doesnt take years of training to become a prostitute, in that you are correct so by default it should be a lot cheaper than a hairdresser etc right...wrong! Hairdressers dont have someone licking them, fingering them, fucking them in the most intimate ways which in itself isnt such a bad job to be in right, the trouble comes when you encounter the twats and the not so cleans, the arsy types and the stalker types, the guys who seem just fine till they are balls deep then pound you till your fanny hurts, the risks of catching sti no matter how careful you are regarding your clients health and cleanliness. Please dont say a girl should only offer covered services only as we both know that you guys want kissing, owo, cim etc and will just chose to spend your hard earned with a girl who does if one girl doesnt offer these services and I have seen the proof of this in the number of guys who phone up and ask for owo and kissing, its a deal breaker 90% of the time if the girl does not offer these things at least at discretion. THIS is where the prostitute has the right to charge the higher rate despite not having any training.

Also...being drop dead sexy gorgeous and having every many drool at the sight of you does not mean you are an even half decent fuck..you can still be shite in bed so why should a girl be entitled to charge more for how she looks, surely it should be on how she performs her dirty duties.xx

All WGs who have free choice make a decision on what services they offer, if they dont wish to offer something they dont have to. Some WGs who dont offer OWO and who post on here posted it didnt affect their business. I as a punter am not forcing anyone to do anything, the WG advertises her services and its 100% her responsibity in my view what she offers. Dont do what you dont want to would be my advice. This point continually comes up. If its that much of a problem to any WG go do something else. Moaning about offering something you really dont want to do isnt going to change the market in reality. We are where we are.

ALL SPs have the right to charge what they like, thats their business, as i posted punters will decide if they get business or not. Above anything else the reason SPs can charge what they want is its a free market and crucially sex sells, us punters will pay for sex, its a shoe-in, its just a matter of with whom and at how much.

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exactly. hairdressers do not risk their health or deal with physical pain. Bin men get paid a high salary....why? because their job involves dealing with dirt and possibly disease. they don't need training.

I know a binman, he gets paid a very low wage Nisha, about £7 an hour.

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I wonder much of that £110.00 the hairdresser actually gets to keep?

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I know a binman, he gets paid a very low wage Nisha, about £7 an hour.

seems it has been reducing. probably due to the recession. but i know at one time it was highly paid, because i have a friend that used to work as a bin man too and he did it for the money.

no idea if this is legit but - http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-salary/Bin_Man_4360

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seems it has been reducing. probably due to the recession. but i know at one time it was highly paid, because i have a friend that used to work as a bin man too and he did it for the money.

no idea if this is legit but - http://www.mysalary....ry/Bin_Man_4360

He said he did used to get a bit more but the main difference now to then was he started early and finished early, nowadays its set hours with no chance of job and finish. I will mention this link to him. :)

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I have been charging the same price for all the time I have been up to this lark, which is well over two years now.

I still turn more away than I accept as well, but then I only do this part time.

My area is awash with wgs of all sorts of ages, mainly local ladies as well not EE, most charging around the 100 pound mark.

Some ladies have reduced their prices I have noticed over the past few months, but not a lot.

I always think that guys vote with their feet and their wallets, if they do not like you or your price they either don't see you in the first place or don't return if you don't float their boat.

Plenty of ladies out there to choose from with all sorts of prices, and there are plenty of guys as well seeking us at those different prices.

I can recall once being asked to justify charging what I do for an unskilled job on one forum I used to type on.

I did not as I do not have to......

Lucy :)

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Its been £60 half hour £120 hour mostly since 2008 in the midlands. not seen any change.

But then we have had inflation and that is really a £10 decrease.

(and the rates i get as an IT contractor are about the same as 2008 too...)

£120 in 2008 is equivalent to £137 in 2012, according to www.whatisthecost.com.

That's equivalent to a pretty hefty decrease cov. As you say though, many people's wages (mine included) have stayed pretty static over this period, so WGs aren't alone here.

In my area, there have been some hefty real decreases in the indie market. £150 in 2008 seems to be £120 nowadays. £120 in 2008 is now £100 etc, etc. I think this is largely reflected mainly in the EE market though. Brit ladies of a good reputation seem to be able ro maintain prices as they were.

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What many people fail to see is that despite the fact we can make 100 odd quid an hour it isn't as if we are working 8 hours a day for 7 days a week. Yes, there are some hugely busy girls out there who make a lot of money but for most of us there is a certain amount of waiting for the phone to ring and even then we may get a succession of calls from men who sound rude and a bit iffy so we don't take anyone who wants to see us. Lovelyslut highlighted the joys of these calls earlier in the thread. I will also not see someone who asks uncomfortable questions such as 'Do you work alone?' or 'Can I be your last client tonight?' because even if they are innocent questions/requests I get scared in case they plan on robbing or hurting me! Paranoid maybe, but in this game we have to feel pretty bloody confident about the men we choose to see.

What also really bugs me is the fact that it seems OK to question how much we earn and if we are worth that price. I am sure each punter would feel miffed if he disclosed his job and salary and everyone piped up with their reasons why they thought he was paid too much, or how easy the job is etc etc despite having never done it themselves.

Personally, I don't give a toss about what other women charge or if men think I'm too cheap or too expensive- I have fiddled about with my prices over the last 3 years and come up with a price structure that works for me. The foreign women who charge less will see more men to make their money which just isn't how I would want to operate but nor do I see them as competition taking my potential clients from me. Some men would chose to pay a bit more to see me because (among other reasons) they prefer to see someone English, not feel they are on a conveyer belt or be a woman's 12th punter that day or because I work for myself and not a pimp.

And before anyone says it- yes you can get fabulous girls who give a great service for low rates just in the same way you could have a lousy experience with a £400 courtesan style escort!

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The High price ones are the ones more likely to be more quite and have less clients and I certainly wouldn’t go and see them or pay that much. I only pay what I think is good value for money and within my budget.

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