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How many of you consider there is a danger to punting. I mean when you sit down and actually think about it in the cold light of day punting is thwart with danger, from discovery to being ripped off or worse battered by pimps(example only).

Do you do risk assessment or just wing it.

How do you get the odds in your favour.

I read about guys being ripped off and taken for a ride and others that have been outed by being careless (leaving phone about with punting evidence on)

Is there a path without danger or is it continuously adapting to the pro's and cons.

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Hi Lou,

Firstly, it's worthwhile recognising that in general the physical risks are much higher for the girl than the client. Last time I looked, I was the latter, not the former, so can only comment from that perspective. I'll leave it up to you to fill us in on that side.

For me, I try and minimise the physical risk by only seeing girls with good reputations. I am by no means a newbie-hunter and I would imagine that these guys are at the greatest risk of turning up for a punt and being thumped on the noggin by some kind of minder/thug/boyfriend. In actual fact, I have never been on a punt where I have felt physically threatened, all of the girls I have seen have been alone in the room, although some are very sensible to mention their "security" being around.

I am sometimes aware of the risk of getting robbed when meeting a new girl, so usually only take in just a bit more than the money I need for the punt (and no credit cards etc). Again, I have to say that all of the girls I have met so far have really impressed me with their honesty. I am a chronic overpayer (can't count properly when horny/nervous :cool:) but it seems that whenever I have done so, the girl immediately returns the surplus. It's a good ice-breaker I suppose.

The health risks are a given. I am, by and large, a pretty healthy person, so am not prone to cold-sores and the like. If I had something that worried me (cold-sore, small wound etc), I wouldn't punt until it healed up. I also don't punt if I have a cold or the like, but that's out of respect for fellow human beings more than anything else. If I was with a girl who similarly had obvious health problems, I would probably walk if I noticed, but I have yet to be in that position as well.

Finally, there is the risk of discovery. To be honest, this one doesn't keep me awake at night. I am careful (punting phone, "secret" e-mail client and account, use of firefox for browsing etc) and discrete (only punt when I have a plausible cover story - "just visiting Milton Keynes on business today") and to date have had no problems or embarrassing moments. I occasionally have that "have I left the computer on an logged into punternet" feeling whilst driving to work, but that's the same as the leaving the kettle on thing and never happens.

So, all in all, it's a tale of being careful generally works out well for me.

Which probably means that next week I am going to get robbed, catch an STI and get found out by my wife for being so smug about it all here :P:D:D

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As a punter I've never felt threatened. Though Not hunting newbies, not taking anything with you except phone and money, checking research and reports all help. And walking if you perceive health/drug issues (I never have).

As for being caught... obviously there are precautions you can take.

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The whole of punting is based on a lot of trust of complete strangers.

For ma as a client its usually meeting someone youve never met before, in a place thats unfamiliar, (and now its turning winter, usually in the dark), while holding a ton of money on their person. And if something does go bad, because only I know Im on a punt, no one would be there to help me.

And until the door opens I have no idea whether she is genuine or 5 blokes with knives. And I still dont know, when Ive handed over the cash and shes disappeared to put it away whether shes going to come back or a blokes going to enter and throw me out.

I am paranoid about getting found out as a punter. But since Im single it'll only be embaressing. Hopefully wouldnt lose my job.

I also, like Northwind, carry a lot more cash on me than just the agreed fee. Just incase we hit it off so well I've sometimes asked if its okay to extend.

I do assess the risk. I usually ask for at least the street address well before hand or the postcode so I can work out whats around. Google street map is a godsend for some of the places in london Ive gone to. And If thats not available I driven over to scout the area out, work out where to park, is it relatively safe, can I get out of there quickly if things went bad.

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I would like to point out a downside to not carrying extra cash, cards, ID etc on you on the way to an appointment and this applies to WGs and clients alike.

Back in September I broke down suddenly in the middle of the motorway en-route to an outcall booking a significant distance from home. Came as a surprise because I've a very low-mileage car and hardly use the thing since I walk most places in town. It was about the worst night/place on record to breakdown since there were a lot of traffic problems in the area that night. So bad I the national recovery firm I'm a member off had to find another garage to tow me away. They then attempted to obtain a spare part and fix my vehicle. That was when it suddenly dawned on me that I would need to make payment for the repair.

Because I was on an outcall I'd automatically only brought a small amount of change with me, and left my purse with credit cards, driving licence etc at home. So I had no way to pay and no ID to prove my address.

As it was they couldn't fix it and had to take me home. I would presume if I couldn't pay they would simply check my membership of the Association - but things did look sticky for a while. Especially since most garages don't like sending cars off without full payment. In the end they couldn't fix it and took me back home.

I have since added a repair cover component to my policy, but it made me think a little!

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Hmmm, I've had a few guys unfamiliar with my little town ask if it's safe to park. Then get here and comment on what a nice little village it is.

It's a town, honest.

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My first punt worried me in a lot of ways - girl coming to mine, having to deal with a less than pleasant agency woman on the phone beforehand who messed me around and kept my details but that was a couple of years ago and it seemed to work out OK.

Since then, I've only gone to saunas with decent reputations and haven't really worried. Most of it's been covered too, so healthwise I've not worried. The only worry is getting caught and I hate the 'walk of shame' between my car and the sauna, especially afterwards. I'd hate my parents to find out about my punting and I'd hate the ridicule of my friends or workmates but I guess it'd all pass if I was caught.

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I reckon that Northwinds' reply covers most of it, with Strawberry's caveat about carrying (in a secure place) enough to get you through emergencies.

I've not had problems so far, but I don't go to parlours or saunas, and see people with an established reputation.

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How many of you consider there is a danger to punting. I mean when you sit down and actually think about it in the cold light of day punting is thwart with danger, from discovery to being ripped off or worse battered by pimps(example only).

Do you do risk assessment or just wing it.

How do you get the odds in your favour.

I read about guys being ripped off and taken for a ride and others that have been outed by being careless (leaving phone about with punting evidence on)

Is there a path without danger or is it continuously adapting to the pro's and cons.

I don't allow myself to get ripped off, and and any pimp attempting to batter me would very quickly come to regret it.

Discovery? Always a concern......Why I punt from a slight distance

I am always alert, heads up, even with favourite places. Perhaps the only moment my guard is down is in the room.

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....and how should a girl reply when asked directly if she works alone and is the only one on the premises. I've been asked occasionally and upon further prodding been told it's because the guy has heard horror stories about big burly blokes being there.

So what's a girl to say?

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Important message for Northwinds- you can now buy kettles which switch off automatically when they have boiled. You will need a new invention called 'electricity' (available fairly widely now) . It's a lot safer than leaving an open fire with a kettle boiling when you leave the house for a 'meeting'!

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As a punter - the risk has to be weighed up against the possible reward, as with anything.

My biggest fear is being murdered - and the consequences for my family.

But I have never heard of a punter being killed and I also only ever undertake a punt if I feel safe - use an established agency or an indie with FRs etc. I am not one to risk a cheap punt in a run down area.

The risk of detection - is a danger - I have a secret mobile phone which I always delete numbers and calls - so even if discovered there will be nothing incriminating. I use firefox which does not remember web addresses. Have to remember to shut down opened windows such as punternet - that is always a fear.

It does strike me that girls take much greater risks as we can always research a girl before the punt and if we are not satisfied with the research we can say no. But girls take on clients with very little checking.

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How many of you consider there is a danger to punting. I mean when you sit down and actually think about it in the cold light of day punting is thwart with danger, from discovery to being ripped off or worse battered by pimps(example only).

Do you do risk assessment or just wing it.

How do you get the odds in your favour.

I read about guys being ripped off and taken for a ride and others that have been outed by being careless (leaving phone about with punting evidence on)

Is there a path without danger or is it continuously adapting to the pro's and cons.

As I normally see only girls I already know or with an established reputation (or sometimes at parlours with a good reputation) my main risk is discovery. This applies particularly with overnights and dinner dates where I am dining in full view but that is part of the kick for me. Seeing diners at other tables wondering what is going on that that gorgeous girl is having dinner with that old guy. I do carry out a risk assessment but still take a fair bit of risk in this respect. I used to work in a firm with offices all over the country so that the risk applied in any city where we had an office. I think the greatest one was when I took a visiting Canadian to the Manchester opera house but I gave her a cover story in case we bumped into people I knew ... and we didn't. I have twice bumped into someone I know when in the company of an escort but have managed to wing it.

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I would like to point out a downside to not carrying extra cash, cards, ID etc on you on the way to an appointment and this applies to WGs and clients alike.

Back in September I broke down suddenly in the middle of the motorway en-route to an outcall booking a significant distance from home. Came as a surprise because I've a very low-mileage car and hardly use the thing since I walk most places in town. It was about the worst night/place on record to breakdown since there were a lot of traffic problems in the area that night. So bad I the national recovery firm I'm a member off had to find another garage to tow me away. They then attempted to obtain a spare part and fix my vehicle. That was when it suddenly dawned on me that I would need to make payment for the repair.

Because I was on an outcall I'd automatically only brought a small amount of change with me, and left my purse with credit cards, driving licence etc at home. So I had no way to pay and no ID to prove my address.

As it was they couldn't fix it and had to take me home. I would presume if I couldn't pay they would simply check my membership of the Association - but things did look sticky for a while. Especially since most garages don't like sending cars off without full payment. In the end they couldn't fix it and took me back home.

I have since added a repair cover component to my policy, but it made me think a little!

Good point (as usual). I usually leave my spare cash, credit cards, work ID etc in the car whilst I punt. I put it in a secure, locked location, well out of sight, but of course I always run the risk of the car being stolen :cool:.

It's all about minimising (as opposed to eliminating) risk I suppose. There is only so much you can do before it all reaches the point of diminishing returns.

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As a punter - the risk has to be weighed up against the possible reward, as with anything.

My biggest fear is being murdered - and the consequences for my family.

But I have never heard of a punter being killed and I also only ever undertake a punt if I feel safe - use an established agency or an indie with FRs etc. I am not one to risk a cheap punt in a run down area.

The risk of detection - is a danger - I have a secret mobile phone which I always delete numbers and calls - so even if discovered there will be nothing incriminating. I use firefox which does not remember web addresses. Have to remember to shut down opened windows such as punternet - that is always a fear.

It does strike me that girls take much greater risks as we can always research a girl before the punt and if we are not satisfied with the research we can say no. But girls take on clients with very little checking.

As we as clients like to keep things secret if you did get murdered, would the police be able to know you were on a punt and seeing a girl? Do you tell friends or family that your visiting a WG or keep a dairy at home with who your visiting? Would the police tell the papers that you were a punter? True, I havent heard of any clients being murdered either but is that because they are always safe or becuase the police couldnt work out he was on a punt or didnt tell the papers he was a punter to keep discretion for the family?

I dont tell anyone and I delete all details about my punts just as you do. (well except having certain MK parlours in mobile. I doubt the owners going to jump me and beat me with frying pan.)

Because of the fear of getting found out we cover our tracks. But if we do end up in a ditch its not going to be easy for the police to piece together what happened.

Agree about the fact that girls take a bigger risk. But unless there is a FR system on clients or somewhere where girls can see if the client is safe not sure how to make it better. Even thats not perfect cos people can change their name, change their number, etc...

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I drive very carefully to assignations, a shunt in an area I have no straight need to be is probably the biggest risk.

Where possible I use public transport - some years ago I visited a WG at a flat which turned out to be under watch by the local plod. An hour after getting home I was phoned by them as they had followed me back to my car & run a check on the number. The maid & the girls were done for running a brothel. I doubt they would have bothered if they had had to follow me on a Metro & rail journey.

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The maid & the girls were done for running a brothel.

That's unusual, was it a co-operative by any chance?

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I drive very carefully to assignations, a shunt in an area I have no straight need to be is probably the biggest risk.

Where possible I use public transport - some years ago I visited a WG at a flat which turned out to be under watch by the local plod. An hour after getting home I was phoned by them as they had followed me back to my car & run a check on the number. The maid & the girls were done for running a brothel. I doubt they would have bothered if they had had to follow me on a Metro & rail journey.

What were the girls done for then??:cool:

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Had a traumatic start to my punting. As a single guy l wasn't worried - turned up at the address given, invited in, handed over the cash and then asked if l wanted a cup of tea, which l thought was rather nice. Lady told me to get undressed and off she went.

For some reason l didn't get undressed which was a bit of good luck on my part since after what seemed like an age, two burly characters arrived and told me in no uncertain terms to 'F' off. It still creates a sense of anxiety whenever a wag asks if l would like a drink (!) but having since taken the precaution - if it can be called that - of only arranging to see indies with websites and reports l've not felt in any danger.

Biggest frustration is the w.g.who doesn't look as depicted in her gallery, but that is off this topic

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It still creates a sense of anxiety whenever a wag asks if l would like a drink (!) but having since taken the precaution

I always take a flask with me, for just that reason.

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Had a traumatic start to my punting. As a single guy l wasn't worried - turned up at the address given, invited in, handed over the cash and then asked if l wanted a cup of tea, which l thought was rather nice. Lady told me to get undressed and off she went.

For some reason l didn't get undressed which was a bit of good luck on my part since after what seemed like an age, two burly characters arrived and told me in no uncertain terms to 'F' off. It still creates a sense of anxiety whenever a wag asks if l would like a drink (!) but having since taken the precaution - if it can be called that - of only arranging to see indies with websites and reports l've not felt in any danger.

Biggest frustration is the w.g.who doesn't look as depicted in her gallery, but that is off this topic

Do Colleen and Alex ask you round often then?? :mad:

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Do Colleen and Alex ask you round often then?? :mad:

Ha, ha......

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I drive very carefully to assignations, a shunt in an area I have no straight need to be is probably the biggest risk.

Where possible I use public transport - some years ago I visited a WG at a flat which turned out to be under watch by the local plod. An hour after getting home I was phoned by them as they had followed me back to my car & run a check on the number. The maid & the girls were done for running a brothel. I doubt they would have bothered if they had had to follow me on a Metro & rail journey.

Several years ago I did an out call to a travel lodge near a motorway. After doing the deed, and whilst leaving the travel lodge, I observed a peoples carrier type vehicle with blackened out windows. I got the impression that I was being observed, but gave no thought that it might be the plod, but rather a person connected with the young lady I had just met, for she had made a point of telling me her partner worked for an insurance company.

Shortly upon arriving back at home the telephone rang, which upon answering the caller at the other end put the phone down.

One of my neighbours is a serving plod, and a few days after the above, I found a road sign in the garden saying "stop at a RED light", then the female neighbours started to huddle together and chat, or cross over the road when ever I was seen walking to the shops.

I am not certain if the above are in any way connected, but I am certain beyond doubt that my neighbour plod does have some data record on me, and that he has report the same to other neighbours.

On another occasion I had a in call with a Polish young lady in Bristol, prior to calling I counted the £100 and put the monies in an envelope, after handing the money, envelope to her she left the room, she shortly came back to say there was only £60. Not realising who was in the other rooms, and appreciating I had been ripped off, I ended the meeting there and then and left the building.

It was mainly because of the first incident, data records and my belief that once a plod always a plod, and that you can help the plod today, but come tomorrow they will use their data records against you, that I would never involve the police in any incident concerning this hobby.

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Had a traumatic start to my punting. As a single guy l wasn't worried - turned up at the address given, invited in, handed over the cash and then asked if l wanted a cup of tea, which l thought was rather nice. Lady told me to get undressed and off she went.

For some reason l didn't get undressed which was a bit of good luck on my part since after what seemed like an age, two burly characters arrived and told me in no uncertain terms to 'F' off. It still creates a sense of anxiety whenever a wag asks if l would like a drink (!) but having since taken the precaution - if it can be called that - of only arranging to see indies with websites and reports l've not felt in any danger.

Biggest frustration is the w.g.who doesn't look as depicted in her gallery, but that is off this topic

Several years ago I did an out call to a travel lodge near a motorway. After doing the deed, and whilst leaving the travel lodge, I observed a peoples carrier type vehicle with blackened out windows. I got the impression that I was being observed, but gave no thought that it might be the plod, but rather a person connected with the young lady I had just met, for she had made a point of telling me her partner worked for an insurance company.

Shortly upon arriving back at home the telephone rang, which upon answering the caller at the other end put the phone down.

One of my neighbours is a serving plod, and a few days after the above, I found a road sign in the garden saying "stop at a RED light", then the female neighbours started to huddle together and chat, or cross over the road when ever I was seen walking to the shops.

I am not certain if the above are in any way connected, but I am certain beyond doubt that my neighbour plod does have some data record on me, and that he has report the same to other neighbours.

On another occasion I had a in call with a Polish young lady in Bristol, prior to calling I counted the £100 and put the monies in an envelope, after handing the money, envelope to her she left the room, she shortly came back to say there was only £60. Not realising who was in the other rooms, and appreciating I had been ripped off, I ended the meeting there and then and left the building.

It was mainly because of the first incident, data records and my belief that once a plod always a plod, and that you can help the plod today, but come tomorrow they will use their data records against you, that I would never involve the police in any incident concerning this hobby.

Touch wood I've never been ripped off on a punt like this, you hear the odd case of some meat head spoiling your day, but this Is very rare, I might not look like a cage fighter, but If this happeaned to me I would not walk away without a full refund one way or another.

A good tip when visiting a new girl Is to always count the notes Into the girls hand, might sound so crass, (but I always leave It In an envelope) It will stop this BS, she Is a hooker after all not your prom date lol. :mad:

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