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hi made a booking with a escort on ** three months ago. The booking fell through because was dealing with a PA he was taking the bookings on line instead of dealing with the escort. directly and the escort did not get my booking . anyway the escort email me her number two months later i text her to arrange a booking for last Tues the escort turn up to my hotel she seen bit disappointed and surprised because i was a black guy the the escort said to me i don,t nominally see black guys i said to the escort can pull out now if you i feel uncomfortable she said i am fine let go ahead since we build up good communication between us. i start to get cold feet because of the comment she made and i was peed off we discuss the services and was not happy so she decide to leave it . race never been a problem for me i don,t understand why some have a problem with it i am great guy with great feedback thanks linford

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hi made a booking with a escort on ** three months ago. The booking fell through because was dealing with a PA he was taking the bookings on line instead of dealing with the escort. directly and the escort did not get my booking . anyway the escort email me her number two months later i text her to arrange a booking for last Tues the escort turn up to my hotel she seen bit disappointed and surprised because i was a black guy the the escort said to me i don,t nominally see black guys i said to the escort can pull out now if you i feel uncomfortable she said i am fine let go ahead since we build up good communication between us. i start to get cold feet because of the comment she made and i was peed off we discuss the services and was not happy so she decide to leave it . race never been a problem for me i don,t understand why some have a problem with it i am great guy with great feedback thanks linford

Try posting a little larger, Linford, then we can all read what you have to say.

I generally reject WG's who state that they only see white guys, as that is prejudiced and I hope I am not.

It's a great shame that some feel the need to discriminate, and of course, in a more publicly acceptable realm they would not be allowed to.

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Hello there Linford.

I think you are the same guy who has posted such threads on the LBB aren't you?

Such a shame you still have these things happening to you.

I would of thought with all the threads you have started on there and the responses given to you, you would of sorted stuff like this out by now.

Alas it seems not....

I think in this world guys just have to accept that some ladies do not wish to see certain guys.

It may well not be nice I know if you fall in to a ladies "do not see....." category, but you just have to accept it and focus in on the ladies who do see anyone regardless of skin colour.

Did you actually think she was being raciest though by her saying that she does not see black men usually, or was she just stating a fact?

I don't see black men usually as not many have ever booked me, I've only met two black guys in over two years in fact.

So if I came out with the same remark it would be the truth, but not because I had a "do not see black men" rule......get what I mean?

I find that most gentlemen say that they are non white if they approach me in regard to meeting up, as they know in this world that they may by a small minority of ladies out there do not not welcome them.

I suggest even though I personally feel you should not have to mention your skin colour, that possibly it may be the best way forward for you to stop such things continuing to happen to you.

Welcome to this forum by the way.

Lucy :)

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i understand. i get it from the other side....punters that do not want to see me because i have dark skin. i know it's slightly different, since they are the ones who are paying, but of course it still hurts. i just remind myself that everyone has different sexual preferences, and it doesn't necessarily mean they are racist. take care.

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I think you are right there, I have different preferences for sexual activity but much more open about the friends I have, although even there I guess I am still selective. I'm not keen on tall girls sexually especially if they are thin no matter what colour they are.

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Linford - there was a thread a couple of weeks ago on this topic and it was deleted by the mods because of the bad feelings it was causing between the posters.

Some posters thought WGs should see allcomers because their services are akin to a shopkeeper and one persons money is as good as anothers, and other posters thought that WGs, due to the intimate nature of their services should be able to pick and choose their clients for whatever reason, rational or irrational, in the same way civilian women choose who they date, sleep with, and marry.

Its not just WGs who do this - lots of flat-share ads also specify particular ethnic groups

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Hello Linford, I suppose the comment I would make is that you are asking a girl to perform some very intimate acts with you and they aren't robots. I think if you take a girl out of her comfort zone you will simply end up with a crap punt. At 45 I am too old now for some girls, just as there are girls who won't see overweight guys or kiss guys with beards and there is as little I can do about my age as you can do about the colour of your skin. I just take it that I have saved some money by not being with a girl who wouldn't want me there if I had gone against her wishes. Its tough for you though, you can be there with the best feedback on the other site and it won't help if there is a girl you are busting to see that can't handle being with a black guy. Its her issue, but unfortunately it turns into your problem.

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Hello there Linford.

I think you are the same guy who has posted such threads on the LBB aren't you?

Such a shame you still have these things happening to you.

I would of thought with all the threads you have started on there and the responses given to you, you would of sorted stuff like this out by now.

Alas it seems not....

I think in this world guys just have to accept that some ladies do not wish to see certain guys.

It may well not be nice I know if you fall in to a ladies "do not see....." category, but you just have to accept it and focus in on the ladies who do see anyone regardless of skin colour.

Did you actually think she was being raciest though by her saying that she does not see black men usually, or was she just stating a fact?

I don't see black men usually as not many have ever booked me, I've only met two black guys in over two years in fact.

So if I came out with the same remark it would be the truth, but not because I had a "do not see black men" rule......get what I mean?

I find that most gentlemen say that they are non white if they approach me in regard to meeting up, as they know in this world that they may by a small minority of ladies out there do not not welcome them.

I suggest even though I personally feel you should not have to mention your skin colour, that possibly it may be the best way forward for you to stop such things continuing to happen to you.

Welcome to this forum by the way.

Lucy :)

Padron my ignorance but what is LBB?

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Padron my ignorance but what is LBB?

The LBB stands for the Little Black Book.

It is a sex site forum much like this one, based up in the North West, it is a very active forum.

I do not sign in on there nowadays but I can recall Linfords threads and posts on it very well, if he is the same fella of course.

Lucy :)

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hi made a booking with a escort on ** three months ago. The booking fell through because was dealing with a PA he was taking the bookings on line instead of dealing with the escort. directly and the escort did not get my booking . anyway the escort email me her number two months later i text her to arrange a booking for last Tues the escort turn up to my hotel she seen bit disappointed and surprised because i was a black guy the the escort said to me i don,t nominally see black guys i said to the escort can pull out now if you i feel uncomfortable she said i am fine let go ahead since we build up good communication between us. i start to get cold feet because of the comment she made and i was peed off we discuss the services and was not happy so she decide to leave it . race never been a problem for me i don,t understand why some have a problem with it i am great guy with great feedback thanks linford

Linford, I couldnt completely understand your post but are you basically saying that after communicating with you she decided that she would see you after all, despite what it says on her profile, but then you got cold feet and decided against going ahead with it since discovering her 'no blacks' policy ?

(Lets hope this thread doesnt get locked like the last one on a similar issue, due to the childish, school playground comments of a few knuckle dragging imbeciles)

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The LBB stands for the Little Black Book.

It is a sex site forum much like this one, based up in the North West, it is a very active forum.

I do not sign in on there nowadays but I can recall Linfords threads and posts on it very well, if he is the same fella of course.

Lucy :)

Thanks Lucy.

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Funny, I was going to post a very similar topic. Are black guys really that bad? I am black and my favourite WG, I remember talking to her for the first time and she asked me what race I was. When I told her I was black she was a bit hesitant until her friend told her "he sounds OK". Great experience and many after, even when talking to her she tells me about dates she goes on and how one guy she is seeing is black (she never used the word black but it was more than a fair assumption he was). Anyway, now she's got on her ** page that she only see's blacks who are her regulars. Why is that?

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Hi Linford

I sort of know where you are coming from. I am an indian man and I find that some indian and english girls won't see me based on race. So much so, I actually tell every WG when I am booking to ensure they are ok with that. 99% are ok with it.

When I have enquired, they have openly told me that there are certain traits which are associated with asian and black men and they prefer to avoid them and some just don't fancy asian or black men. One WG once said to me she found asian men more judgmental\abusive and and black men more aggressive. She had clearly had some bad experiences so doesn't want to play the odds. I can't blame her. I have been mugged at knife point in Brixton. Will I ever go to Brixton again... no. Not all people in Brixton are bad, but I associate the area with knife wielding scum.

I stopped taking it personally. WG's are taking a risk when they put themselves out there. They need to take what ever precautions they feel necessary to feel comfortable. Besides which, I'd prefer a WG to say that I don't fancy you so I am not going to give you 100% service so spend your money elsewhere.

I know some people are going to jump on the race bandwagon and claim there should be equality. Where personal services are concerned, the clue is in the title, personal choice should be respected. Different people suit different people.

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I've been told by more than one lady that they prefer caucasian clients. They have said that black men can be very rough and aggressive and that Asian men can be obnoxious and try to penetrate before wearing any protection. I'm sure this isn't every non-white client and if working for an agency it may not be possible for a lady to determine who she will and won't see.

I wholly understand the 'if it was a shop' argument but I think the two professions are incomparable. It is sad that some ladies feel they need to be selective on this basis due to a minority of clients from those ethnic backgrounds giving the rest a poor press.

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hi made a booking with a escort on ** three months ago. The booking fell through because was dealing with a PA he was taking the bookings on line instead of dealing with the escort. directly and the escort did not get my booking . anyway the escort email me her number two months later i text her to arrange a booking for last Tues the escort turn up to my hotel she seen bit disappointed and surprised because i was a black guy the the escort said to me i don,t nominally see black guys i said to the escort can pull out now if you i feel uncomfortable she said i am fine let go ahead since we build up good communication between us. i start to get cold feet because of the comment she made and i was peed off we discuss the services and was not happy so she decide to leave it . race never been a problem for me i don,t understand why some have a problem with it i am great guy with great feedback thanks linford

Yes, some WGs dont want to punt with black guys. As you cant force a WG to punt with someone she doesnt wish to, and its right in my view that WGs must always be able to choose then there is no answer to this apart from hoping education will ensure people understand that every person of any colour or race is a unique individual. The good is my son and his mates who are 17-20 ish have no racism in them that i have seen, they embrace our multi-cultural society and love it. In my sons case he has the opportunity to eat food i never did, speak to people daily i haedly ever had the chance to at his age and so much more. He has grown up a fully fledged multi-culturalist, 30 years ago when i was his age there were about 6 black or asian teenagers in my whole school and the grand total of none in my street.

Apart from just being an out and out racist and to me not treating a person as an individual but excluding them because of their race is racist, another reason some WGs wont see black men is because either they have had one or more bad experiences with other black men or have been told of others that have. I cant see a way round this except hoping educating people will help in future.

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I can't see a way round this either. The service is highly intimate and I agree that should allow a woman to decide on any basis who she will and won't see, whether it be on the general basis of age, size, disability, colour etc.

On an individual basis there must be many punters some women would find objectionable and that must be harder for a woman to regulate as not everyone's objectionable side whatever it was would come through on the phone or via an email.

But also I am uneasy about it as the point in my first para is discriminatory and the less discrimination the better is a reasonable principle in all aspects of life.

It is a bigger point than I properly realised before about the difference in working at a parlour where the owner would expect the women to see every punter who walks through reception if he chooses her.

Tough topic.

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i understand. i get it from the other side....punters that do not want to see me because i have dark skin. i know it's slightly different, since they are the ones who are paying, but of course it still hurts. i just remind myself that everyone has different sexual preferences, and it doesn't necessarily mean they are racist. take care.

i dont see how it "hurts" youre in it for the money arent you? its not like a romantic date, and they can see your skin colour online so its there loss and its just a prefrence no need for you to feel offended in anyway, also your name is nisha so i take it your asiain, or half asian? anyway im half asian/ latin and have never been turned down , i do ask before i see a girl and its never been a problem, like you said its just a prefrence so lets leave it at that, also some wgs have had bad experiences with certain races and choose not to see them which is totally understandable

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This is a sensitive topic but here's my take on it.

As a rule of thumb I ALWAYS check with an escort beforehand if she is ok to see Asian men. some of you will think this is OTT but I like to ensure that it wont be an issue.If an escort has rules re who she will or will not see then thats upto her.Ive had experiences where I was turned away from two places (both Chinese parlour setups) and the only thing I can think of is my skin colour....my accent on the phone means you couldnt tell if I was white,black, green or purple and they only turned me away when they saw me!After this I decided to check first on the phone if my colour is an issue etc Peace of mind for me and also means no potential issues if I visit the girl.

Linford - I can understand why you felt the way you did,totally. But bear in mind if an esort has had bad experiences in the past then this is usually the reason for such rules..I dont believe its anything to do with racism or an issue with your skin colour..its purely because the wg in question had a bad experience with a black guy/s previously.Unfortunately in this world there are idiots in every community who have caused issues for wg's...based on some the stories I read.Doesnt help the rest of us guys who have manners and principles but there you go.

There are plenty of girls who will see black guys so if some say they dont,you move on. Its the escorts right to see who she chooses esp being such an intimate service. Punters shouldnt take these things to heart.Ive punted with indian,oriental,white and black escorts in my life and have no complaints so far..apart frm the odd crap punt!

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Hey linford, it's sad that in what is certainly a business of personal interaction, whole swathes of individuals get lumped together and are negatively labled. As bobsam mentioned, you just can't take it personally. The first rejection based solely on race can be a bit of a gut-punch.

I actually had race issue myself very recently, with one of the more popular girls in London. She seemingly has a new stance (for now at least?), and it was only my good standing with the agency that got me through the door. In talking with her, it wasn't based upon anything other than fear, after recent trouble. I didn't get too deep in talking out the issue - it's difficult to argue about being rational (and staying rational yourself) - when someone right in front of you has been genuinely spooked.

linford, just keep on being the regular gent you are. I've found in the world of punting, just giving out good vibes and being a smart, laid-back, pleasent punter will draw the better women out there to you, 'cause they're the one's who'll open the door! The rejecters, aren't worth the grief.

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hi made a booking with a escort on ** three months ago. The booking fell through because was dealing with a PA he was taking the bookings on line instead of dealing with the escort. directly and the escort did not get my booking . anyway the escort email me her number two months later i text her to arrange a booking for last Tues the escort turn up to my hotel she seen bit disappointed and surprised because i was a black guy the the escort said to me i don,t nominally see black guys i said to the escort can pull out now if you i feel uncomfortable she said i am fine let go ahead since we build up good communication between us. i start to get cold feet because of the comment she made and i was peed off we discuss the services and was not happy so she decide to leave it . race never been a problem for me i don,t understand why some have a problem with it i am great guy with great feedback thanks linford

i will get my magnifying glass out

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Hey linford, it's sad that in what is certainly a business of personal interaction, whole swathes of individuals get lumped together and are negatively labled. As bobsam mentioned, you just can't take it personally. The first rejection based solely on race can be a bit of a gut-punch.

I actually had race issue myself very recently, with one of the more popular girls in London. She seemingly has a new stance (for now at least?), and it was only my good standing with the agency that got me through the door. In talking with her, it wasn't based upon anything other than fear, after recent trouble. I didn't get too deep in talking out the issue - it's difficult to argue about being rational (and staying rational yourself) - when someone right in front of you has been genuinely spooked.

linford, just keep on being the regular gent you are. I've found in the world of punting, just giving out good vibes and being a smart, laid-back, pleasent punter will draw the better women out there to you, 'cause they're the one's who'll open the door! The rejecters, aren't worth the grief.

+1

(this also reminds me of a recent recommendation for a punter on here looking for a provider of a specific pretty 'hardcore' type service - Out of mild curiosity I followed the link to the other site, browsed the profile, saw the photos and my immediate thought was 'Christ she looks rough and as common as muck' and was left thinking that she should be the one paying me, not the other way round.....then I noticed that she was one of the ones with a 'whites only' policy................it so often seems to be these 'classy' types who practice colour bars..... :lol: :lol: )

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Sorry, it is racism. yes sure women should see who they want to see but that doesn't mean that not seeing men based on the colour of their skin is not racist. It is.

Do you ever hear of women saying they don't see white men or Irish men or men from Barnsley because they had a bad experience with one? No.

And as for not fancying black/Asian men- hello, we're not meant to fancy them, they are meant to fancy us and really, do they fancy every white man they meet? Unlikely!

I am not saying that women to see men they feel uncomfortable with but they shouldn't bleat about not being racist. They are making a judgement about someone based on their race therefore that is racist. It's a label they might not like but it's true.

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perhaps the one scenario that cries out specifically for black men is the swinging community. with some women pointedly demanding black over white. so you could try that.

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Sorry, it is racism. yes sure women should see who they want to see but that doesn't mean that not seeing men based on the colour of their skin is not racist. It is.

Do you ever hear of women saying they don't see white men or Irish men or men from Barnsley because they had a bad experience with one? No.

And as for not fancying black/Asian men- hello, we're not meant to fancy them, they are meant to fancy us and really, do they fancy every white man they meet? Unlikely!

I am not saying that women to see men they feel uncomfortable with but they shouldn't bleat about not being racist. They are making a judgement about someone based on their race therefore that is racist. It's a label they might not like but it's true.

yes lyd. but some of those whowont see asian men are asian ladoes and those who wont see black men are black girls -i.e wont see their own race. can you be racist about your own race

(2nd thought -maybe they dont want to see people from their own community)

another thought. meaybe its better to be up front and say something like 'no asians' rather than letting some poor bloke turn up to be sent away with some feeble excuse masking the real reason. Dunno. Never had the problem, being white.

lastly how do you tell a girl that has had a violent experience with someone from a minority she should risk a repeat occurence. yes you can say lightning doesnt strike twice but fear is an odd emotion.

all i know is thos is a difficult one.

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yes lyd. but some of those whowont see asian men are asian ladoes and those who wont see black men are black girls -i.e wont see their own race. can you be racist about your own race

(2nd thought -maybe they dont want to see people from their own community)

another thought. meaybe its better to be up front and say something like 'no asians' rather than letting some poor bloke turn up to be sent away with some feeble excuse masking the real reason. Dunno. Never had the problem, being white.

lastly how do you tell a girl that has had a violent experience with someone from a minority she should risk a repeat occurence. yes you can say lightning doesnt strike twice but fear is an odd emotion.

all i know is thos is a difficult one.

I'm not saying a girl should see men if she doesn't want to women are ripped off or attacked etc by all races. I don't think a woman would stop seeing white men if she was hurt by one. If you have a bad experience with a man from any race you can't go by the notion that all men of that race are bad. however you're right, fear is an odd emotion and if a women just can't relax with men of that race then she shouldn't see them. However it is still racist- does having a 'reason' for being racist make it any better? Hmmm.

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