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Help Urgently Required For Irish Wgs And Punters

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The Minister for Justice in The Republic Of Ireland has set up a parliamentary Committee with a view to changing our Prostitution laws.

There has been massive momentum towards introducing The Swedish Model, where the punter is criminalised, under the guise of stopping trafficking. This push has come from various sources including a group called RUHAMA, which has close ties to religious orders of nuns eg The Good Shepherd Sisters who in the past saw women who worked in this biz and more particularly women who got pregnant outside of marriage (indeed at times due to rape or incest) incarcerated for the rest of their lives in institutions ran by them called Magdellan Laundries where they were sentenced to do heavy loads of washing/laundry to repent for their sins, with all their human rights trampled on! These were effectively concentration camps for so called fallen women and continued all over The Irish Republic until entry into the EU in 1973. Other groups involved include rad fems who would have you believe that any encounter of a sexual nature between a man and a woman, including consensual sex within marriage is always and everywhere paid for rape! Bizzarely, The Irish Nurses Organisation and General Medical council also support this insanity, which is especially insane giving the implications it will have for people attending STI clinics if and when this law is brought in!

Your help is needed, you do not have to be an Irish citizen or resident in The Republic Of Ireland to make your views felt! You do have to leave your details though and submissions can be made electronically.

A potential game changer would be a submission made by a working lady who can articulately make it clear that it is possible to be a completely voluntary service provider in this industry and that the vast majority of clients are regular men and anything but nuts paying to rape a woman! Also ladies in this biz provide an invaluable service to disabled clients who with a law change in the worst case scenario may face ending up on the sex offenders register - how insane is that?

I oppose the Swedish model because it is a Psychotic's Charter on many levels, by driving the biz underground, it gives free rein to those men who want to harm women to do just that, also the proposed change is being sponsored as I have said by those with serious form wrt abusing women and men! How can it possibly stop trafficking?(Which of course I oppose, In Irish law currently a people trafficker can face life imprisonment, I believe that should be mandatory for such an offence), Also traffickers in this scenario are even more likely to be more intensely abusive to those they have trafficked!

You can state that you will not appear in public re your submission, if you so wish!

The submission closing date has been extended and is Friday August 31, 5 PM.

You can get more details at http://www.oireachta...ice-for=web.pdf

The e-mail address for submissions is justiceanddefence@oir.ie and put something like FAO The Committee On Prostitution Law Reform in the subject matter.

Please, remember a working woman could lose her life as a consequence of a change to this insane law!!!!!!

Also under the law of contagion, if punters are criminalised in the Irish Republic, it will be Northern Ireland next and ultimately all over The UK!

Thank you for your time, your contribution could prove invaluable!

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It merits a separate thread from the one re The Northern Irish consultative approach as it's a different jurisdiction entirely and it is much more urgent as the closing date is fast approaching, while their's is in October.

Your help is needed for submissions to both ultimately though!

Thank you for your time and consideration.

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It seems it is possible through facebook to make an anonymous submission or a part of a collective, more details later. BTW Sponsors of the Swedish model in Ireland are also trying to prevent internet providers from allowing subscribers to access prostitution related sites such as punternet, essentially equating people who view sites such as this and similar to paedos downloading child porn - how insane is that?

With the link given, once you are brought to it, just hit google search and it will bring up the relevant details on how to submit, alternatively, google the following Oireachtas Ice Web Pdf

Lads and ladies we really need your help here! Indeed your submission could well save a vulnerable woman's life along with halting redneck insanity!

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It seems that even anonymous submissions are possible on this one, though not ideal! We really need your help and the closing date is approaching fast!

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those who are wary of making submissions just need to point out the invasion of privacy that the proposal will do but more importantly, the danger to women that will result, also whilst police time and resouces is used up policing consensual paid sex, other real crimes that need urgent attention will have to be delayed

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Ladies and Punters a final reminder that the closing date for making submissions to the Republic of Ireland parliamentary commission on changing Irish laws wrt prostitution is 5.00 today! Please E-mail your views if you have not already done so, it's effectively the last chance to thwart the introduction of the insane Swedish law here and sponsors of it want to censor related Internet sites eg Punternet by legally compelling Internet providers to block them! They actually also want to prevent people from buying mobile phones without ID!

Most importantly your views could protect a vulnerable working woman's life ultimately!

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ruhama are a bit annoyed on their facebook page that their submission was leaked on a blog- sex work.ie

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that just shows how desperate the moral supremacists are, they are desperate to gain credibility for their hatred towards women who choose sex work

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Unfortunately regardless of whatever evidence and whatever brilliant pro hobbyist submissions are put before this committee, the reality is it's so stacked with abolitionists and one IMO sectionable redneck loon in particular that only one recommendation will be made and it will be followed through! Re the opinions of Irish Trade Union Movement, they have long since prostituted the rights of Irish private sector workers and are certainly not a representative trade union movement in the accepted Western European sense and no more than Ruhama have no moral authority on any issue related to prostituion or otherwise!

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You can find updates on the committee's deliberations with invited guests here

Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality - 16/Jan/2013 Table of Contents


and here

Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality - 23/Jan/2013 Table of Contents

 

They still have some sessions to go and our active sex workers have finally been ungagged as some of them will be speaking before the committee in its next session and their opinions are the most important of all!

I think the abolitionists were quite shocked at how reasonable and articulate the common sense contributers have been, but it's hardly a surprise to us because we know their arguments pro client criminalisation cannot stand up to reasoned argument.

The abolutionists appear to be engaging in some dirty tricks which is nothing new, given their composition! Examples of this include presenting a fake 'rescued' ex prostitute calling for criminalisation of men before the media!

 

 

 

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You can find updates on the committee's deliberations with invited guests here

Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality - 16/Jan/2013 Table of Contents

and here

Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality - 23/Jan/2013 Table of Contents

 

They still have some sessions to go and our active sex workers have finally been ungagged as some of them will be speaking before the committee in its next session and their opinions are the most important of all!

I think the abolitionists were quite shocked at how reasonable and articulate the common sense contributers have been, but it's hardly a surprise to us because we know their arguments pro client criminalisation cannot stand up to reasoned argument.

The abolutionists appear to be engaging in some dirty tricks which is nothing new, given their composition! Examples of this include presenting a fake 'rescued' ex prostitute calling for criminalisation of men before the media!

Shifty tactics indeed! :mad:

 

Has this sham been exposed for what it is?

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The abolutionists appear to be engaging in some dirty tricks which is nothing new, given their composition! Examples of this include presenting a fake 'rescued' ex prostitute calling for criminalisation of men before the media!

 

ruhamas mascot "mary" is a survivor of forced prostitution, thats what ruhama are saying, where are the survivors of the magdalene laundries that were owned by ruhama?

moral supremacist groups like ruhama shed crocodile tears over forced prostitution but get more upset over voluntary prostitution

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Shifty tactics indeed! :mad:

 

Has this sham been exposed for what it is?

It was fairly obvious and to be expected from them!

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It was fairly obvious and to be expected from them!

Has the fact that they put up a fake victim counted against them?

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Has the fact that they put up a fake victim counted against them?

 

Ruhama and TORL brigade use so many shills and scripts it is ridiculous. It has taken so long for the media to actually recognise that there are other sex workers willing to talk but finally they are getting to.

 

The next justice committee hearing will be private and have sex workers in attendance so that is one small victory. 

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Has the fact that they put up a fake victim counted against them?

The 'rescued' lady appear on our independent TV3 station last night on The Vincent Brown show and though it has not been formally exposed as a sham, the panel contributers did not have their minds changed and suppport decriminalisation and the non introduction of the Swedish model, except of course Sarah Benson who is as a formal Ruhama spokesperson a cheerleader for it!

Worryingly, all tweets and there were many expressing disbelief at the credibilty of the 'rescued' lady's story,  were deliberately deleted from the received twitter account of this particular programme!

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The 'rescued' lady appear on our independent TV3 station last night on The Vincent Brown show and though it has not been formally exposed as a sham, the panel contributers did not have their minds changed and suppport decriminalisation and the non introduction of the Swedish model, except of course Sarah Benson who is as a formal Ruhama spokesperson a cheerleader for it!

Worryingly, all tweets and there were many expressing disbelief at the credibilty of the 'rescued' lady's story,  were deliberately deleted from the received twitter account of this particular programme!

Tactics to be expected in China not a democracy in Western Europe.

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Ruhama and TORL brigade use so many shills and scripts it is ridiculous. It has taken so long for the media to actually recognise that there are other sex workers willing to talk but finally they are getting to.

 

The next justice committee hearing will be private and have sex workers in attendance so that is one small victory. 

It certainly is. And it is only by pushing for these small victories that they occur.

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It certainly is. And it is only by pushing for these small victories that they occur.

But will the fact that it's heard in private be used to give it less weight? The committee is quite stacked with abolitionist assholes!

Any clear thinking person would realise the opinions of active sex workers have such a level of importance on this issue that they are head and shoulders  above literally anybody else's view in value and relevance terms, but unfortunately the committee is blind due to its prejudices and preconceived notions and by perhaps being brainwashed from nonsense propaganda and fake PR tricks re the industry!

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Here is a link to the TV3 show on the proceedings of the committee and staring the 'Rescued Lady', which you will find very hard to take as a genuine case, believe me!

 

http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/41/58690/1/Tonight-with-Vincent-Browne

 

We cannot in the ROI view your BBC i player without going through 'ex pat shield' so the same issue might present itself with the TV3 player with British IP addresses, but there it is any way!

 

 

 

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The above link certainly goes to the relevant show here in Ireland any way! Let me know if it works for you!

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The above link certainly goes to the relevant show here in Ireland any way! Let me know if it works for you!

It works fine here in Airstrip One too. I will watch all of it when I have the stomach for it. :)

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