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Madam Becky Adams Itv Morning Tv Prostitution Debate

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Was going to post the ITV Player link in case anyone wanted to see it while it was still on there; but it's actually on Madam Becky's own website as well.

I felt that Becky fared surprisingly well in getting her point of view across given the treatment Dennis Hof and his WG partner received from the same interviewers earlier this year.

I haven't met Madam Becky, whereas some of you might have done or even worked with her; but as far as I can tell she is as good a spokesperson for the industry as there has been to date.

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Agreed. She is so very clear-headed and speaks with the authority of 20 years of hands-on experience.

She is also highly articulate and blessed with the ability to come up with wonderfully funny expressions to describe things that go on around her everyday life.

I am lucky to know her and I check out her FB page for a guaranteed laugh but of course she is serious and committed about the causes she feels strongly about such as the right attitude to have towards the women who work in the sex industry.

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Hello all. The link to YouTube for you.

I think it went well. I spend so much of my time public speaking now and fighting for sex worker rights that I've got used to being abused by the media.

Madam Becky x

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Hello all. The link to YouTube for you.

I think it went well. I spend so much of my time public speaking now and fighting for sex worker rights that I've got used to being abused by the media.

Madam Becky x

Good for you Becky, glad to hear it went well. :)

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A bit of a non story - a hypothetical situation about supporting your daughter if she wanted to be a prostitute - but she doesn't but if she did.....etc etc

Was it a publicity stunt - I didn't see the point!

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You came across as very calm and dignified Becky. I did find it amusing to see somebody sitting beside you, who have 20+ years experience in the industry having the sheer gall to talk about 'the grimy reality' of prostitution. There are none as blind as those who don't want to see. Who would have more understanding of the reality.....a person with 20 years of experience, or a person with......none? Hilarious in a rather saddening way.

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A bit of a non story - a hypothetical situation about supporting your daughter if she wanted to be a prostitute - but she doesn't but if she did.....etc etc

Was it a publicity stunt - I didn't see the point!

I have to agree with you :wacko:

It is interesting the story is not about legalising prostituition per se but rather should a parent 'support' her daughter if she chooses to become a prostitute?

Two unrelated subjects IMO.

At least the interviewers were 'reasonable' in how they conducted the interview (ie could have been more condescending, emotional etc) and I thought Madam Becky handled

and controlled herself very well considering the 'contrived' nature of the debate, especially when she highlighted the paramaters of the debate as her opening salvo.

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A bit of a non story - a hypothetical situation about supporting your daughter if she wanted to be a prostitute - but she doesn't but if she did.....etc etc

Was it a publicity stunt - I didn't see the point!

It was a total non-story really that has been chugging on since a 'shock horror' piece in The Sun. The point really is that as I'm not a hypocrite, if my daughter wanted to become a sex worker

I would support her to work professionally and safely rather than react with disappointment and disgust. Every girl who has worked for me over the years is someone's daughter and all daughters were created equal and are all precious. It was about trying to educate young 'uns who will do whatever they want come what may.

I am involved with The Big Lotto Fund and Swansea Uni with the new Student Sex work Project (starts tomorrow 21st sept). This has been instigated to help, support and mentor the 1000's of 'middle class' kids who have started sex working to pay their debts and student loans, but are falling through the gaps of out-reach projects as they're working as indies.

The media haven't been interested in keeping students safe, so I needed to get them going a bit and encourage a mass debate. I think poor Angela lost the votes when she said that we shouldn't even discuss sex and drugs with our kids. I'd know nothing about drugs if my kids hadn't told me all about them.

madam becky x

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Burying our heads in the sand is not going to win anyone over. the more we talk about issues the quicker we can understand and educate ourselves about them.

You do right Becky in encouraging others to think about what if!, I have been seeing escorts for many a year, and if my daughter was to tell me she wanted to work in a a parlour, then i hope that one of the caring owners would guide her, and through Saafe there are advise and issues that any escort can learn from.

In Manchester here we have an organisation called Mash that helps street girls, and other sex workers, and I applaud them all for the work they do.

You are a credit to the profession, and its through people like you that we have become as liberal as we have in this country.

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So Becky you can run a brothel with several half-naked women wandering around looking for men who are looking for hand puppets and you can open the eyes and hopefully the ears of university professors shielded from the realities of life in ivory towers but you can't read a calendar.

Tomorrow is the 19th - although I only know because it's my birthday!

Completely agree with the compliments above and those dismissing the non-story should consider what it takes to get people to look, listen and consider the serious points underlying the shock head-turning headline.

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Haha! Too much wanking has sent me blind! The launch for the Student Sex Worker Project is on Friday the 21st!

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So Becky you can run a brothel with several half-naked women wandering around looking for men who are looking for hand puppets and you can open the eyes and hopefully the ears of university professors shielded from the realities of life in ivory towers but you can't read a calendar.

Tomorrow is the 19th - although I only know because it's my birthday!

Completely agree with the compliments above and those dismissing the non-story should consider what it takes to get people to look, listen and consider the serious points underlying the shock head-turning headline.

Happy Birthday mate!

With regard to the aforesaid, it is not just a matter of raising public opinion and debate. The matter needs to be raised in the correct way also, otherwise (m)any valuable points will be lost in the smokescreen created by the media .

Even Madame Madame Becky says: 'It was a total non-story really that has been chugging on since a 'shock horror' piece in The Sun'.

I do not think Mick the Miller or I was trying to take away or diminsh Madame Becky's effort but rather trying to highlight how the media will work in a duplicitous way to 'manufacture consent'

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Watched it this morning. Getting an objective view on the sex industry from the media in this country is as rare as rocking horse shit..My thoughts - what a nice lady, in control, didn't rise to the bait, wish I'd had the privildge when she worked. Good luck, Becky

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Hello all. The link to YouTube for you.

I think it went well. I spend so much of my time public speaking now and fighting for sex worker rights that I've got used to being abused by the media.

Madam Becky x

You came across as very calm and dignified Becky. I did find it amusing to see somebody sitting beside you, who have 20+ years experience in the industry having the sheer gall to talk about 'the grimy reality' of prostitution. There are none as blind as those who don't want to see. Who would have more understanding of the reality.....a person with 20 years of experience, or a person with......none? Hilarious in a rather saddening way.

Hi Becky,

Many thanks for taking the time to give us this insight into your dealings with the media.

I don't know whether you would feel able to comment further; but I have often wondered whether the apparent negative bias stems from deeply entrenched personal views of presenters like Phillip "grimy reality" Schofield or from the producers of the programme.

I find it quite enlightening that critics of the profession all seem to concur that it would be different if the much maligned clients were more "like Richard Gere", (also suggested by Ms Willoughby in a previous interview).

If I could make one suggestion for your future appearances it would be to speak as much as possible about the valuable service your girls provided to disabled and perhaps socially isolated clients, who would potentially be criminalised by the 'Swedish Model' advocated by our opponents.

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Im not sure I could have been so restrained with that annoying woman bleating at me. Its a shame Becky didnt get the chance to ask the woman what exactly she would do if her daughter became a prostitute..possibly would have been replied with an "oh my daughter never would" or copious amounts of coughing and spluttering. What a sanctimonious woman. I think people need to stop thinking in terms of others and start thinking.."okay maybe I dont like that industry because of what it stands for personally but HOW WOULD I react if my child entered it one day". Its getting a more distinct possibility by the year.

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Off-topic but did anyone else watch this and after about 6 minutes start thinking about what order you'd do the speakers in?

For me:

Adams

Schofield

Willoughby

Epstein

Call me sick, but I can't stay focused on television debates without the mind wandering off.

Schofield isn't bad looking (for a bloke obviously), looks like he needs some too. Smiles.

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Oh regarding my post... I meant what would the sanctimonious mother do not Becky.

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i never noticed before*, but Philip Schofield is a c*ck.

*I have noticed before. Lots of times, in fact. And he is.

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Hi Becky,

Many thanks for taking the time to give us this insight into your dealings with the media.

I don't know whether you would feel able to comment further; but I have often wondered whether the apparent negative bias stems from deeply entrenched personal views of presenters like Phillip "grimy reality" Schofield or from the producers of the programme.

I find it quite enlightening that critics of the profession all seem to concur that it would be different if the much maligned clients were more "like Richard Gere", (also suggested by Ms Willoughby in a previous interview).

If I could make one suggestion for your future appearances it would be to speak as much as possible about the valuable service your girls provided to disabled and perhaps socially isolated clients, who would potentially be criminalised by the 'Swedish Model' advocated by our opponents.

I was told when I was in the green room that the entire interview would only be 7 minutes, so I knew I needed to crack on! It's tricky to get all my points across in an hour of public speaking with following Q's and A's, so I had no chance really in that short time.

Angela Epstein, just before the cameras rolled informed me that she's done 'a lot of this' and wanted my reassurance that I wouldn't talk over her. I knew I had 7 minutes, so I wasn't planning to be polite and wait my turn! If you watch, you can see me rolling my eyes! My kids all stood back from the screen at that point, expecting me to get a bit over-excited and push her off the sofa.

To be honest, these people and their opinions don't bother me. It's none of my business. The vile comments on twitter, The Sun on-line etc. don't bother me. Calls to re-incarnate Jack The Ripper and have me dis-embowled, take my kids off me (please do) or put my dogs into care don't bother me. I know I'm right, so in my mind I have the moral high ground!

I don't care if the public insult my plumpness, eyebrows or Farrah Fawcett hairdo, but insult my ladies or my clients and you'll see some reaction.

Having dealt with the media extensively over the years I think it's safe to say that they don't give a toss either way. I do think that to be seen to condone, agree or support my view of sex work

being any other than hideous abuse poses the risk of opening an interviewer to accusations of being a punter or an advocator of trafficking. A good row always makes great telly.

I do always try to get disabled clients into the debate, and have now opened the UK's first escort agency just for clients with disabilities and terminal illnesses.

My next round of media hooha will be as I try to set up the worlds first 'Not for profit' brothel in London and the massive legal shit-storm that will create. I'm looking forward to it I must say!

Madam Becky, public inconvenience. xx

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I think the picture you painted in that interview is that prostitution is now coming to the table as a viable choice for a young woman to enter into and this is fact - and they did not appear to either accept - nor like it. It was a good interview under pressure and good on you.

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Even this morning they had another "escort" interview, dont know what they really think about the industry, as they must have to push the legal point, but it does seem to be good for their ratings as they seem to like reporting on the fact, and escorting is seen as more in the public domain now than it ever was.

Though despite the fact the lady was named as an escort, she said that in a week she earned £450 a week for seeing nine clients, does make her sound more like a parlour worker than an escort.

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I was told when I was in the green room that the entire interview would only be 7 minutes, so I knew I needed to crack on! It's tricky to get all my points across in an hour of public speaking with following Q's and A's, so I had no chance really in that short time.

Angela Epstein, just before the cameras rolled informed me that she's done 'a lot of this' and wanted my reassurance that I wouldn't talk over her. I knew I had 7 minutes, so I wasn't planning to be polite and wait my turn!

Having dealt with the media extensively over the years I think it's safe to say that they don't give a toss either way.

Madam Becky, public inconvenience. xx

I've done voluntary work in different sectors for many years. Many years ago a fellow voluntary worker made a totally unfounded allegation against me. An unscrupulous county councillor ( surely the only one in the country? ) leaked the information to the press and a reporter came to my house to give me the opportunity " to tell my side of the story " . My first reaction was to go " no comment " but the reporter seemed to be a nice chap and genuine so I gave him two hours of my time. I explained in great detail, showing him paperwork that supported me, what the actual truth of the matter was but said as a result of what had occurred I had severed my connection with that organisation. Nice to know that both sides of the story would be published and readers could make up their own mind.

When the story was published not only was there no reference to my side of the story there was no reference to the reporter having seen me at all.

The moral, as I'm sure you are all already aware, is that the media are not interested in the truth. They are only interested in the story and the worse they can make it the better. They are only interested in today not tomorrow or next week.. They don't care what damage they do and simply move on to the next story without any conscience. That's what they appear to have done here. Taken a quote out of context and turn it into the story they want.

It's not just a question of saying " no comment " to the media it's going completely dumb. My best wishes to Becky and her family for the future.

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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story....and if you can print a picture of the duchess of Windsors boobs then do it...its all good for sales, appears to be the motto they thrive on.

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Even this morning they had another "escort" interview, dont know what they really think about the industry, as they must have to push the legal point, but it does seem to be good for their ratings as they seem to like reporting on the fact, and escorting is seen as more in the public domain now than it ever was.

Though despite the fact the lady was named as an escort, she said that in a week she earned £450 a week for seeing nine clients, does make her sound more like a parlour worker than an escort.

I just watched that. Bless her. I noticed that she was given a lot more air-time than I was, maybe because her story of feeling dirty and abused and her friend being thrown down the stairs plays into their perception of what they would like the industry to be like.

As you say, it's good that escorting as a life style choice it is become more discussed on the telly. In fact, I think it's mainly bored girls in parlours who watch ITV's This Morning, so me thinks they're preaching to the choir or something like that! You know what I mean!

Madam Becky x

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...I knew I had 7 minutes, so I wasn't planning to be polite and wait my turn! If you watch, you can see me rolling my eyes! My kids all stood back from the screen at that point, expecting me to get a bit over-excited and push her off the sofa.

I am sorry to hear of the vile comments that has come your way as a result of this all.

With regard to the aforesaid unfortunately it can be one of the many skills young people ( and some adults also) do not possess viz the art of debating without getting over-emotional especially against institutions (ie voice of authority).

I do like the way you conducted yourself and also the delivery (ie tone) was also spot on. I do not know if this is your normal speaking voice or the public-speaking voice?

Its a real skill.........and also a facade........when you know the game :unsure:

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