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What Actually Happens To A Punter When Plod Shows Up?

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With all the news on raids - Operation Sentinel and all the nonsense, can anyone actually say from experience what actually happens to the hapless punter when plod shows up in his/her size 11s and you are mid punt?

My assumption is that they do not knock poliitely on the door and say "Police here, please be quick about what you are doing, then get dressed and come out" - and then say " Now get on your way sir".

I would have thought names and addresses would have been taken - placing the poor punter at the scene and officially in a "sex raid" scenario- even though they have not technically committed a crime, the punter is potentially a witness to a potential crime.

Maybe not as bad as arrest or a night in the cells for those who may be are arrested.....but

But can anyone tell us what does happen?

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Street scene you're going down, in a parlor a slap on the wrist from what I've read.

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Remember the punter may well be committing a crime if the girl is being coerced, even if he has no knowledge of it.

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If you go to see an independant escort who is clearly working within the law cause escorting is not illegal then you have no worries there but if you go to see someone who could be there against her will or if you go to a flat where there are several girls working etc then there will be a problem or if drugs and things are involved.

Basically if your part of anything illegal or you know of anything dodgy going on but still see the girl and get caught your f**ked but if your not doing anything wrong with an idependant girl in a private place your fine.

Common sense really, if your not doing anything wrong you've nothing to worry about.

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Street scene you're going down, in a parlor a slap on the wrist from what I've read.

Its not illegal to punt in a brothel unless its proved a woman was being coreced or was underage so i wouldnt accept a slap on the wrist as its not a crime. I would give my details if demanded though and not make them up saying nothing more until and if i needed to see my solicitor. Not something i have yet experienced and hopefully it never will be. No punter can know if a woman is being coerced for definite so thats a worry in itself.

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What Actually Happens To A Punter When Plod Shows Up?

Before, or after he shits himself?

Seriously, the sudden upswing in raids, closures etc. is of concern to us all in this hobby. I asked a regular parlour in the West Midlands last week whether they felt they were at risk. The owner said they were in the "green zone" whatever that means and would get a tip off. Whether that would give me chance to get me kecks on and running depends on how engrossed I might be and that's if what she says is kosher. If it's as accurate as the girls ages she gives out I'd better get Usain's trainers.

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If you go to see an independant escort who is clearly working within the law cause escorting is not illegal then you have no worries there but if you go to see someone who could be there against her will or if you go to a flat where there are several girls working etc then there will be a problem or if drugs and things are involved.

Basically if your part of anything illegal or you know of anything dodgy going on but still see the girl and get caught your f**ked but if your not doing anything wrong with an idependant girl in a private place your fine.

Common sense really, if your not doing anything wrong you've nothing to worry about.

Big problemo is that, as Smiths says, you don't know whether you are "doing anything wrong" or not. At the end of the day the amount of hassle the cops might give you will depend upon how badly they want the establishment closed.

Question - Is the arrival of these new Police & Crime Commissioners going to influence more action agsinst the brothels?

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What Actually Happens To A Punter When Plod Shows Up?

Before, or after he shits himself?

That would have been my reaction too.

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But can anyone tell us what does happen?

I'm slightly surprised that none of us appears have found himself in this particular situation - perhaps most of us go to the better class of establishment which is unlikely to be targetted for trafficking or drugs?

So, anyway, in a far country, almost fifty years ago, I was in the shower, after an enjoyable and satisfying punt, when the forces of law, order and democracy came in. I was allowed, quite civilly to finish washing, dry and dress, and, having answered the punch line question in the affirmative, which rendered my presence punishable, had my name and details taken, and was then told I could leave.

Only later did I learn that their MO, there was to storm in making as much noise as possible, shouting, "This is a raid! No one move!" and then leave quietly, go outside and have a fag while the sober punters slipped quietly out of the back door and away. They then came back in and picked up the dimmer members of society who would have been in danger of getting mugged or getting a dose.

Just my bad luck that I'd arrived in the interval, as it were!

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Question - Is the arrival of these new Police & Crime Commissioners going to influence more action agsinst the brothels?

Question to Question - The new fangled PCC sets priorities for his/her police force. Is it worth writing to the PCC suggesting that "Getting a POCA windfall" should never, ever, be a police priority, and that purely technical two-girl brothels should be ignored?

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Question to Question - The new fangled PCC sets priorities for his/her police force. Is it worth writing to the PCC suggesting that "Getting a POCA windfall" should never, ever, be a police priority, and that purely technical two-girl brothels should be ignored?

One thing I didn't understand is how cash on the premises (in a handbag for example) can be confiscated, as at that point no crime has been proven. So if no case comes to court related to the money, do they have to give it back? Could Mr Plod by sued for the recovery of said cash?

Relating to PCC unless the odd one is godsquad (remember that Merseyside idiot) or has a thing about it (not many radfems electable, but a sympathetic toadie like McShane might be) such things might fall lower down the prioirity list than now. They are more likely to want feet on the beat, so less paperwork based campaigns will be possible.

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From the information I have heard from others who were in a parlour when it was raided was...

The police ask you your name and address, and get you to confirm what you were there for.

Course you have done anything wrong so you dont need to give out any info to them.

But if you act like that, then they will say that maybe it would be best if you accompany us to the station where you can answer a few questions, and we shall inform your next of kin where you are.

Facing that, I think its best just to tell them your details and let it be known you want it to be kept quiet, and then you will be let out of the building and hear nothing more.

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One thing I didn't understand is how cash on the premises (in a handbag for example) can be confiscated, as at that point no crime has been proven. So if no case comes to court related to the money, do they have to give it back? Could Mr Plod by sued for the recovery of said cash?

Relating to PCC unless the odd one is godsquad (remember that Merseyside idiot) or has a thing about it (not many radfems electable, but a sympathetic toadie like McShane might be) such things might fall lower down the prioirity list than now. They are more likely to want feet on the beat, so less paperwork based campaigns will be possible.

I believe they can hold it indefinitely even if charges have not been pressed.

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One thing I didn't understand is how cash on the premises (in a handbag for example) can be confiscated, as at that point no crime has been proven.

So if no case comes to court related to the money, do they have to give it back?

Could Mr Plod by sued for the recovery of said cash?

Oh, no! Madam has grievously misunderstood. Madam's money has not been confiscated! Heavens no! It is a constable's duty to safeguard the evidence. So money, condoms (both new and used), dildos, any appointment sheets, cellular telephones, lap-tops and so on and so forth, are put into a series of nice clean polythene bags, each stapled shut with an exhibit label on it. And, yes, all of this is held for as long as plod likes, but basically until CPS has decided no charges will be brought, and then has finally decided not to try for any POCA forfeitures.

To be fair to plod, if brothel management charges are fought, C&C (condoms n'cash) are pretty clear evidence for "brothel", leaving only "management" to be argued!

Finally, if no forfeiture has been ordered by a court, and plod/CPS have run out of excuses, the exhibits will be returned.

I'd be intrigued to know what they do with kit taken off EE girls, who, if they have any sense, do a runner home as soon as possible, and return later with a new name and passport?

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I was caught mid punt. its a long story to tell. But you feel absolutely as if you wish you were never there. it takes you right back to feeling like a little boy.

I cooperated completely whilst they ran checks and got the all clear, and was subsequently released from the scene without further ado.

Talk about getting off lightly. I felt like I had come back from the dead.

As long as you cooperate and appear truly humbled, you should get off without any further trouble. And that's not difficult to do, as you feel truly humbled anyway. But some plod can be a bit provocative and if you retaliate in anyway it could escalate, and lead to an arrest.

In my case, they came back to a few provocative lines of questioning, and I could sense that I could have put my foot in it at any point. The thing is to answer only the question, but add nothing more. be polite and humble etc.

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i dont think you have to give your details to the police if they ask you, its only if your comitting an offence you would have to.

Giving your details

The police will always want to know who you are and where you live. You do not have to give them your details except under a very few circumstances:

# if you are driving a vehicle and you have been stopped

# if you have been arrested (unless it’s to prevent a breach of the peace)

# if they reasonably suspect you of committing an offence and they want to report you for a summons or issue a fixed penalty (see below).

# if they reasonably suspect you of anti-social behaviour, which is defined as behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress. Anti-social behaviour differs from a section 5 POA 1986 offence in that it does not involve being threatening, abusive or insulting. Anti-social behaviour is not a criminal offence but suspicion of it does give police the power to require you to give them your details. Refusal to do so is an offence. This has been used to try and get protestors’ details, but remember that holding a peaceful and lawful protest is a guaranteed right and is not anti-social behaviour

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i dont think you have to give your details to the police if they ask you, its only if your comitting an offence you would have to.

Giving your details

The police will always want to know who you are and where you live. You do not have to give them your details except under a very few circumstances:

Thats true, but its easier to co-operate as oddbloke did, and get out of the building, rather than be held for questioning down at the station and have your next of kin informed about why they are questioning you.

And good advice given by oddbloke, to just answer the question with a short answer, and be careful not to put your foot in it.

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i dont think you have to give your details to the police if they ask you, its only if your comitting an offence you would have to.

I think that in exam question terms you are probably right, but in the real world there is also:

Obstructing a Police Officer - section 89(2) Police Act 1996

Make life difficult for Mr Plod, display your superior education and knowlege of the law, and there is every chance that you'll be taken in and booked for obstruction.

Of course, learned counsel will be able to persuade the Stipe that whether you "obstructed" the constable or not, he was not "acting in the execution of his duty", and your local paper will publish a fair, accurate and contemporaneous report of the case, including the locus in quo where you were wrongfully arrested, and of your acquittal, which your wife and family, not to mention your employer, will read with great interest.

I think that the advice to give your basic particulars, not make a fuss, and get away swiftly was very good advice.

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So if being inside a brothel is not actually illegal, you are not caught en-flagrante, and don't admit to just having or just about to have the best shag of your life, what can the plod actually do ?

I have a bad shoulder / back / sports injury / war wound.... I came for a massage ?

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I was in a flat when the police insisted they come in. I only had time to get almost fully dressed - one shoe and sock off. I made the odd decision having taken off the condom to place it on a table next to me.

Two policemen came in and I was trying to think why one looked familiar - so many police reality progs on these days although my main thought was a Masterchef programme.

They told me they had no real interest in me but asked if I was there for prostitution. I ended up saying I was not going to lie to them but that was all I said and that did the trick. One of them said as I left that he hoped I hadn't paid yet. He clearly knows nothing about such scenes...

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They run checks on all police systems, so it can take up to an hour before all your details clear. so you need to get it right, otherwise they will ask more questions or get suspicious. they can access anything about you, if they need to.

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They run checks on all police systems, so it can take up to an hour before all your details clear. so you need to get it right, otherwise they will ask more questions or get suspicious. they can access anything about you, if they need to.

Indeed, whatever you do dont give false details, that could get you taken in, better to say nothing than lie, they might still take you in if you refuse to say anything though which is why i would give my details and tow the line as long as thats all they want.

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But can anyone tell us what does happen?

Usually punters are asked to get dressed and leave quietly. Sometime the police will take names and addresses. Very rarely will they be arrested. If you're sitting in reception looking as though you own the place, and match the description of the owner, and he's not there then I suppose that your chances of being arrested are higher.

The CPS very rarely ask punters to be witnesses in court. It's not that difficult to prove that premises are actually a brothel. Evidence from test purchase officers plus all the usual paraphernalia found in brothel raids is usually quite sufficient.

There are several similar threads in the Legalities & Legislation forum including these:

http://www.punternet...d-what-happens/

http://www.punternet...your-inside-it/

http://www.punternet...here-is-a-raid/

http://www.punternet...advice-request/

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reading this has actually made me think that the legal brothels in Oz (where I live over 1/2 the year) are a good thing - even if they are outrageously expensive and OWO/CIM is illegal - at least there is absolutely no chance of plod coming storming in mid punt !

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reading this has actually made me think that the legal brothels in Oz (where I live over 1/2 the year) are a good thing - even if they are outrageously expensive and OWO/CIM is illegal - at least there is absolutely no chance of plod coming storming in mid punt !

How exactly is that part 'policed' as it were ?

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