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Radical Feminist Lies And Myths Regarding Sex Work

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Feminist Lies Regarding Sex Work

A great website here, which points out the feminist lies and myths regarding sex work.

http://bebopper76.wordpress.com/

All these groups, from feminists, to anti-sex groups, just make up research and fake statistics and falsify research just to further their cause to outlaw sex work and get government grants to prop up their salaries.

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can't stand fembots they need to spend more time on thier sex appeal

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http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=4267

http://www.lauraagustin.com/women-resist-rescue-by-anti-trafficking-police-who-admit-it

Laura Agustin has written some articles on countries who raid brothels and "rescue" the workers only to find the workers resist the "rescue" and decline to admit they are victims. The US gives more aid money to countries if they can show they are working to stop "trafficking", so they raid random brothels and flats and claim any workers they find are trafficked to keep the US happy to get their aid money.

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The worst radical feminist in this country is Julie Bindel. She is on Woman's Hour on Radio 4 quite often. She was debating with Dennis Hof, who owns a brothel in Nevada, about prostitution. She had been to Nevada to find out about legalized prostitution. This is what she said on Woman's Hour.

"I actually met learning disabled women who had been double pimped, who had been taken by their pimp to the legal brothel and delivered to the brothel owner - who then becomes a business man or business woman - and they were working those women in prostitution despite their deep learning disabilities and trauma. It's horrific."

When she came back from America and reported on what she had seen, she didn't mention these learning disabled women. She wrote that she had met one learning disabled woman, called Sindy. This woman had not been 'double pimped'. So it seems that Julie has invented these learning disabled women, she didn't meet them as she said

Another one is Rosamund Irwin. She debated with Samantha Bailey, who used to be a lap dancer, on This Morning on ITV. She said this.

"You are ignoring all the ways that it is very harmful to the women involved, to women in wider society and to actually to men. The third biggest cause of debt amongst men is frequenting strip clubs and pornography."

The report that she is referring to only mentioned three causes of debt. So 'frequenting strip clubs and pornography' is a minor cause of debt, not a major cause of debt as she tried to make out.

These radical feminists know that they can only influence people by telling lies.

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Lies are unfortunately what works, we just need to make the public aware of them. Look at the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The whole war was based on lies, but if anyone actually examined the issues, and realised that Iraq were fully co-operating with UN weapon inspectors, then it really made no sense, except to forward a political agenda.

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Has anybody heard of an organisation called The Poppy Project? When they decided to investigate trafficking their M.O. was to ring round agencies and if a foreign voice answered the phone they concluded that the girls in that agency were trafficked. Scrupulous research, eh?

Has anybody heard of The English Collective of Prostitutes? They do a lot to try to counter this sort of rubbish. Representatives from the ECP have appeared on TV and radio to wrangle with the killjoys.

This is their website:

http://prostitutescollective.net/

and here's a good piece from the site about trafficking:

http://prostitutesco...ostitution-3-2/

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Has anybody heard of an organisation called The Poppy Project? When they decided to investigate trafficking their M.O. was to ring round agencies and if a foreign voice answered the phone they concluded that the girls in that agency were trafficked. Scrupulous research, eh?

Has anybody heard of The English Collective of Prostitutes? They do a lot to try to counter this sort of rubbish. Representatives from the ECP have appeared on TV and radio to wrangle with the killjoys.

This is their website:

http://prostitutescollective.net/

and here's a good piece from the site about trafficking:

http://prostitutesco...ostitution-3-2/

Yes, the Poppy project is well discussed here. It's a slight exaggeration to say they concluded they were trafficked if a foreign voice answered the phone. Their M.O for one piece of "research" was to ring the parlours and ask who and what was available and then came up with statistics on the nationalities of typical prostitutes and their ages etc. Needless to say they found a lot of 20 year old, size 8 Italians :D

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Yes, the Poppy project is well discussed here. It's a slight exaggeration to say they concluded they were trafficked if a foreign voice answered the phone. Their M.O for one piece of "research" was to ring the parlours and ask who and what was available and then came up with statistics on the nationalities of typical prostitutes and their ages etc. Needless to say they found a lot of 20 year old, size 8 Italians :D

OK, it may be a slight exaggeration but would you agree that they were not over scrupulous in their methods of research and came up with the answers they wished to find, while receiving a huge amount of public money ( I recall being told that it was £9,000,000)? :)

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When discrediting corrupt and shambolic research it is best not to resort to stereotyping so as not to give the fakers a easy rebuttal that clouds the issue.

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When discrediting corrupt and shambolic research it is best not to resort to stereotyping so as not to give the fakers a easy rebuttal that clouds the issue.

Fair comment. I will do my research more thoroughly before posting on this topic. :)

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My favourites include www.maggiemcneill.wordpress.com , www.deepthroated.wordpress.com and www.feminisnt.com . All their links are great too!

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Oh and www.harlotsparlour.wordpress.com !

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Thanks. I and at least one other member here have already seen this. From what I understand about Bindel the content and tone are hardly surprising. It's a shame that the Spectator have given her space but there are other voices out there.

 

There is a realisation dawning here* in the UK that radical feminism of the kind touted by Julie Bindell et al (to say nothing of Sweden's lovely Gunilla Ekberg) has been damaging to men's interests and has not really contributed to equality and harmony between the sexes. I think that over the next few years there will a growing movement to counteract some of the more spiteful and silly contributions from a small group of women who, while their grievances against men may be rooted in perfectly valid experience as far as they themselves are concerned, have, by their fanaticism and undisguided hatred of men, caused some real problems for ordinary people and in doing this made thoughtful people of goodwill of both sexes begin to come together to start the tedious but necessary slog of taking back some of the territory that has been overrun by these dotty but rather scary women.

 

(Yes, I am aware that feminism is not a monolith.The paragraph above should make that clear.)

 

 

*I mean by people, men and women, who are not to be found on Punternet and do not pay for sex, although they would have nothing against others doing it.

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Doesn't sound as if the new legislation has changed much. Sounds like the Amsterdam I remember from 25 plus years ago.

 

At least they didn't use the hackneyed streetwalker illustration.

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I'll have to assume that the statements about the increase in the market for prostitution and trafficking mentioned in the article are just the usual radfem guesses because I couldn't find any statistics that could back that up.

 

However, there is some truth to the assertions about the appalling state of the sex trade in the Netherlands. The Red Thread who are the closest thing to a sex workers union in the Netherlands put it down to the fact that the Netherlands merely legalised prostitution as a law but didn't take any further action as if the mere legalisation of prostitution would solve all the ills.

http://archief.rodedraad.nl/index.php?id=951

In addition the Netherlands had been governed by a right wing bunch of religious moralists from 2002 to 2012 who were more interested in taking steps to abolish prostitution rather than manage its legalisation in a responsible manner. Even now the more hostile  to prostitution VVD is the largest coalition partner to the more prostitution friendly Pvda.

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can't stand fembots they need to spend more time on thier sex appeal

 

Um....what?

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The worst radical feminist in this country is Julie Bindel. She is on Woman's Hour on Radio 4 quite often. She was debating with Dennis Hof, who owns a brothel in Nevada, about prostitution. She had been to Nevada to find out about legalized prostitution. This is what she said on Woman's Hour.

"I actually met learning disabled women who had been double pimped, who had been taken by their pimp to the legal brothel and delivered to the brothel owner - who then becomes a business man or business woman - and they were working those women in prostitution despite their deep learning disabilities and trauma. It's horrific."

When she came back from America and reported on what she had seen, she didn't mention these learning disabled women. She wrote that she had met one learning disabled woman, called Sindy. This woman had not been 'double pimped'. So it seems that Julie has invented these learning disabled women, she didn't meet them as she said

 

I'm afraid you are VERY wrong in this particular instance.

 

If you speak to a journalist at BBC Radio Leeds called Liz Green, she will confirm the young woman referenced was fact not fiction. A pimp had brought her to the brothel and the madam said she had run the pimp off to "look after the girl". The girl had the mental age of a child. The madam was convinced she had resuced her and was "taking better care" however as the documentary progressed the girl approached the madam in front of the team asking for her day off as she had not had one in WEEKS (this involved being escorted and watched closely as once they have been certificated they are in "lock-down") she was told that due to the pending bikers weekend that wasn't possible. This girl clearly had no control over her own life any more and worse stil was now practically a prisoner.

 

Whilst I have no sympathy with some of the harmful feminisist views be careful writing down assumptions as fact - it's called libel.

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I'm afraid you are VERY wrong in this particular instance.

 

If you speak to a journalist at BBC Radio Leeds called Liz Green, she will confirm the young woman referenced was fact not fiction. A pimp had brought her to the brothel and the madam said she had run the pimp off to "look after the girl". The girl had the mental age of a child. The madam was convinced she had resuced her and was "taking better care" however as the documentary progressed the girl approached the madam in front of the team asking for her day off as she had not had one in WEEKS (this involved being escorted and watched closely as once they have been certificated they are in "lock-down") she was told that due to the pending bikers weekend that wasn't possible. This girl clearly had no control over her own life any more and worse stil was now practically a prisoner.

 

Whilst I have no sympathy with some of the harmful feminisist views be careful writing down assumptions as fact - it's called libel.

No, I am not wrong. You are wrong. I know all about this young woman, whose name is Sindy. I read the newspaper article that mentioned her. So don't accuse me of libel. The point I made is correct. The learning disabled WOMEN (plural) did not exist and are a lie. One learning disabled WOMAN (singular) did exist. If Julie Bindel is prepared to lie about that, then what else was she prepared to lie about? I don't trust anything that she says.

 

I put this on my blog months ago, and I mentioned Sindy. I tweeted about it too and Julie Bindel found out about my tweet and contacted me via twitter. I told her that she had mentioned Sindy but she hadn't mentioned any other learning disabled women. If she is now saying that there are some learning disabled women who are being double pimped, why didn't she say that in her original report? She has never replied to me.

 

Sindy was not double pimped. Sindy's original pimp is not getting any of the money that she earns. The woman who ran the brothel took her off him. I agree with you that it would be better if Sindy was handed over to Nevada state authorities and looked after in some kind of home. But this rubbish about some learning disabled women being double pimped is a lie.

 

So, you are wrong.

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I'm afraid you are VERY wrong in this particular instance.

 

If you speak to a journalist at BBC Radio Leeds called Liz Green, she will confirm the young woman referenced was fact not fiction. A pimp had brought her to the brothel and the madam said she had run the pimp off to "look after the girl". The girl had the mental age of a child. The madam was convinced she had resuced her and was "taking better care" however as the documentary progressed the girl approached the madam in front of the team asking for her day off as she had not had one in WEEKS (this involved being escorted and watched closely as once they have been certificated they are in "lock-down") she was told that due to the pending bikers weekend that wasn't possible. This girl clearly had no control over her own life any more and worse stil was now practically a prisoner.

 

Whilst I have no sympathy with some of the harmful feminisist views be careful writing down assumptions as fact - it's called libel.

Having carefully re-read what you wrote, I think the problem is that you have misread what I have written. I have never said that I believe that Sindy does not exist. I said that I don't believe that these double pimped learning disabled women exist. Julie Bindel didn't 'actually meet learning disabled women who had been double pimped' as she said. If she had met women like this then she would have mentioned it in her original report, just as she mentioned Sindy.

 

If you had asked me to clarify what I wrote it would have been better than contacting Liz Green and telling her that someone doesn't believe that Sindy ever existed. You could have asked me if I really believed that and I would have told you that I don't. When I wrote 'Julie has invented these learning disabled women' I accept that this is an ambiguous statement. It could be taken to mean that I included Sindy among the women I don't believe exist. It would have been better if I had written 'Julie has invented these other learning disabled women'.

 

As to how Sindy is being treated, it seems to me that she is being treated almost the same as the other sex workers at that brothel in Nevada. This is not how I think sex workers should be treated and I hope that system never comes to Britain. I believe that sex workers should not only not be coerced, but they should take the profits and not be ordered about. That's why I think it should be legal for women to work together from a flat.

 

Unlike the other sex workers Sindy didn't have anywhere else to go, so I don't think it would make sense to let her come and go as she pleases. The other sex workers couldn't come and go as they please either. If you were the employer of a young learning disabled woman and she asked to go off on her own would you let her? They're in the middle of a desert in Nevada.

 

Nevada isn't like Britain. Sindy was taken away from her former pimp at gunpoint (as I seem to remember reading somewhere). It's a violent society. They don't have a social security system in America like they do in Britain. What would happen to Sindy if she was taken away from the brothel? Sindy likes having sex so it's not as if she's desperately unhappy where she is. So I wouldn't be too hard on Susan Austin who took Sindy away from her pimp at gunpoint.

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being pimped and probably beaten and forced to work every day  compared to being pimped and not allowed  a day off till after the busy biker weekend. Both disgraceful. Both pimping. Both almost as bad as each other. I say almost as it seems the brothel in the case of this particular woman is the lesser of the two evils I guess she probably (assuming) isnt beaten at the brothel. 

 

US does have a benefits system but its not the same as ours. I think we need an american to come on here and explain the basics properly. Food stamps/welfare, thats their version of it and if she is learning disabled then she would probably qualify for this. She would probably have someone in charge of checking up on her and making sure she is okay similar to the way its done in the UK with a case worker. The trouble is she would need someone to take her to those people and help her rather than exploit her, its exploitation either way you look at her situation.

 

US is so different to us though in that each state has its own separate way of doing things, whats perfectly legal in one state is the most horrific crime in another. I think Jerry Lee Lewis brought that one to the worlds attention when he married a 13 yr old. Having sex with his own wife would (imo SHOULD) have been illegal in most states and he would be classed as a peadophile (quite rightly too in my book) yet in one state it was 100% legal??? :eek:  x

Edited by Chloe Kisses

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For all we know Nevada law may be that the brothel keeper is legally allowed to be this girls carer if they can prove the ability to support her, feed her, clothe her, put a safe warm dry roof over her head and protect her from outside evils.

 

I think this brothel has cameras in every room which are monitored when in use to ensure that no one gets abusive towards the girls, thats if its the one I saw the documentary on a few years ago in which case they do care how the girls are being treated even if its only as an offshoot of protecting their assets and reputation.

 

Its still exploitation though  :angry:

Edited by Chloe Kisses

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