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Has prostitution got the same social stigma over there as it appears to have here? I ask because I'm a fan of American TV and in most of the popular shows, prostitution is far from frowned upon...

House: The highly intelligent title character makes reference to seeing prostitutes almosy every episode. He is very matter of fact about it and yet is still respected by his friends and collegaues.

Two and a half men: Charlie Sheen's character plays a rich playboy who can get any girl he pleases, yet still pays 'hooker's' and nobody bats an eyelid

King of Queens: The leading guy often asks talks of getting a 'hooker' when his wife isn't 'available'. The dad recalls his most memerable Thanksgiving with a Thai WG!

Seinfeld, Frasier, Cheers etc all feature WGs and none are portrayed in a bad light

Does this reflect society over there? Is our TV different?

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Prostitution is illegal in most American states, it's legal here. There's one difference right off...

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Thing is we see America as like us only bigger but it is in fact a very different country with different cultures and so on united by a belief that a) they are God's own people and :eek: the rest of the world should like what they do. Remember that only 10% of Americans hold passports. And 40 million have no health insurance.

I find their morals odd at times - take for instance Terminator 3 - a 12 rated film I take my twelve year old to see. We get five utterances of the word fuck yet the naked lady terminator is so discreetly obscured so as to avoid offending the christian right. Personally I'd rather have the nudity which is natural and lovely and less swearing.

Funny lot the yanks - and I should know, my sister has become one.......

None of which helps re prostitution but be thankful that in the UK (for now anyway) its still legal for consenting adults to make a transaction where everyone is happy.

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Americans often come across as being quite puritanical, yet some of the TV programmes they make really surprise me. They often produce some real risque, highly sexually orientated stuff - far ahead of the sort of thing the UK tosses out.

Has prostitution got the same social stigma over there as it appears to have here? I ask because I'm a fan of American TV and in most of the popular shows, prostitution is far from frowned upon...

House: The highly intelligent title character makes reference to seeing prostitutes almosy every episode. He is very matter of fact about it and yet is still respected by his friends and collegaues.

Two and a half men: Charlie Sheen's character plays a rich playboy who can get any girl he pleases, yet still pays 'hooker's' and nobody bats an eyelid

King of Queens: The leading guy often asks talks of getting a 'hooker' when his wife isn't 'available'. The dad recalls his most memerable Thanksgiving with a Thai WG!

Seinfeld, Frasier, Cheers etc all feature WGs and none are portrayed in a bad light

Does this reflect society over there? Is our TV different?

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I get the impression attitudes vary a lot depending on which part of American you're talking about. Given it's almost entirely illegal, fly on the wall police documentaries tend to be predicable hostile. Even factual programs like the Bunny Ranch tend to be rather mixed.

When it comes to TV drama there are other factors at work, obviously studio and writer attitude and given Hollywood's supposedly tolerant and liberal attitudes that probably colours the results in a lot of programmes and the programmes setting & context are probably factored in.

I've noticed a few neutral to positive references in House as well, but I don't watch the others you've mentioned.

A lot of American Police shows present a different image. CSI for example often portrays the Hookers as the antagonist and almost universal negatively, on occasions seeing them arrested for prostitution when they've been the victim or a stepping stone during the case. I think they tend to be portrayed more as victims than protagonists in NYPD Blue & Law and Order.

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Thing is we see America as like us only bigger but it is in fact a very different country with different cultures and so on united by a belief that a) they are God's own people and :) the rest of the world should like what they do.
In other words, roughly the same as Victorian/Edwardian Britain, 100 years ago, right? And far less than 100 years from now, I suspect you will see similar views expressed in Beijing (though I'm not sure about the God bit). In any case, at least Obama's election showed some signs of America beginning to see the light.:eek:

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America is a vast place, more than anything else. Morals in NY or Boston or LA or Miami or SanFran (big costal towns) are quite different to what they are in Des Moines, Kansas City, Louisville etc. (the midwest and the south).

It's bizarre though that the same country which produced "Sex and the city" went through the "nipplegate" with Janet Jackson at the superbowl. It's a nipple, for effing eff's sake.

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Personally, I think many people are confused by the paradoxical attitudes in the US.

On one hand prostitution is frowned upon, yet in the same country flourishes a massive porn industry.

Then the Yanks whinge about carbon emissions yet the US is one of the worlds biggest producers of coal for power stations - 92% of coal mined goes to 1,493 coal-powered stations. (wikipedia)

They also moan about petrol prices, but sure as hell wont give up their SUVs and 6.0 litre V8 saloons and drive smaller, economical cars.

As for finding WGs, I've been there twice in the past year, and despite preparation and research, I had very few replies by email from WGs (another paradox in a technologically advanced country!). Most were worried I was part of a police sting operation. I also considered most outcall escorts to be desperately overpriced, with selective services. In the end, I did far better with a rather lippy and cheeky restaurant waitress I chatted up, who came to my motel with a bottle of wine, and left with more than she made in tips over several nights.

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RI lawmakers adopt indoor prostitution ban

By RAY HENRY (AP) - 3 days ago

PROVIDENCE, R.I.

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No, it's not more socially acceptable in America. Most of the escorts I know tell nobody what they do, well maybe one or two very close girlfriends but that would be it. I don't know of any punter who is open about punting. Despite the Hollywood portrayals, and the understanding that there are high-class escorts such as the one who Governor Spitzer visited who was far from being abused, the general notion is that prostitutes are druggies and losers, and maybe trafficked too.

The Chicago Tribune a couple of years back did an investigation looking for trafficked prostitutes and found to the reporter's surprise that every woman who was interviewed was doing the job voluntarily, and suprise again seemed to be fairly normal and healthy and answered the questions intelligently. But that was a drop in the bucket against the typical notion. Will take a lot more such articles to change the mindset. We've had no Belle du Jours who are Ph.D. scientists telling their stories.

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www.Backpages.com & their 'escorts' section not a bad place to start wherever you go - good source of local Indies & Agencies. And you can do a decent amount of research in advance so that you can 'hit the ground sh*gging' :-)

PM me about specific locations as I travel across the pond a bit :-)

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www.Backpages.com & their 'escorts' section not a bad place to start wherever you go - good source of local Indies & Agencies. And you can do a decent amount of research in advance so that you can 'hit the ground sh*gging' :-)

PM me about specific locations as I travel across the pond a bit :-)

http://www.travslist.org/

is another good place

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Thanks for sharing this Steve :-)

Amount of ads looked a little sparse compared to Backpages though?

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Americans often come across as being quite puritanical, yet some of the TV programmes they make really surprise me. They often produce some real risque, highly sexually orientated stuff - far ahead of the sort of thing the UK tosses out.

Some are what we call - the 'sneaky' sex/porn producers - those that want to look pure but are quite notoriously evil regarding 'all that is sex.'

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Prostitution is only toally legal in the North Eastern state of New Hampshire and parts of Nevada. However, in Los Angeles (where I used to live for six years) there is a free paper available in free newspaper vendors on almost every street corner and it's called LA X-Press, which advertises all the escorts in town, parlours and sensual Asian massage establishments.

If prostitution was supposedly illegal (as it's supposed to be) in the state of California, then why the hell is this paper out every week and everywhere...?! The same goes for Las Vegas. Hookers galore advertise in local papers and magazines free in the hotels and resorts. Cops have more important things to deal with.

The Moonlite Bunny Ranch is the most famous legal brother in the USA and is close to Reno, Nevada. There are several other similar places which are legal in Nevada, but that place has been featured on TV many times.

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America's fucked up

too many lawyers

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Thanks for sharing this Steve :-)

Amount of ads looked a little sparse compared to Backpages though?

Depends where you go looking, Alabama [10], Alaska [4], Arizona [9], infact nearly every state is single figures, then suddenly Florida [1030], yep that's right 1030...

I always though this game was heavily policed in the US (excepting the well know exception in Nevada), including police entrapment, stings and heavy jail sentences for punters and w/g alike. Perhaps somebody can give us and insight.

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