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Why Use Bait-And-Switch?

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Do so many escorts think so little of their clients to think they would settle for a lesser service to limit their disappointment?

I read an escort's profile yesterday about her GFE service she takes pride in but when I saw her in person and spoke to clarify her services before paying, she said "I don't do this and that", pretty much taking it down to a 'fuck and leave' service but she still expected the same fee for less of a service. I refused and promptly left. I was given a text later asking why I left so I told them they shouldn't lie about their services like that. There were a couple of other girls at the house so I suspect the girl I hoped to see didn't write the profile herself.

Why do so many escorts/agencies waste their own time (let alone punters) like this? I don't get laid by not falling for their con but more importantly for them, they don't get my money either.

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They think it's easy to take the money while Mr Punter is thinking with his little brain. Then they can get away with inferior service. So long as they have your cash they win!

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I just don't get it. I would be to worried to lie about something I offered in case the fella got angry or wrote me a negative review somewhere! It's a different world between those who work for someone else and us indie girls who try and be as professional as possible and rely on good regular customers.

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Its a thing called honesty Lydia, you either have it or you dont, maybe its something you can put on your list of things you do.

Some escorts deserve all the bad press they get on forums, and others like yourself and most others who post on here, are a credit to what they do... :)

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well, that is what PN FR are for.

Research is Key, in just about any market.

And we are lucky that the market for companionship and "fuck and leave" services is fairly open , and in UK even quite "transparant".

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It is important to do your research but even then you are not always successful. The first young lady that I ever visited advertised how much she enjoyed kissing. She did kiss. It was like kissing a tyre and with about the same amount of passion. The second lady advertised the same but when it came down to it she apparently only kissed her boyfriend. A few ladies later I had got better at research and requested, by phone and e-mail, confirmation that amongst other things kissing was definitely on the menu. I received confirmation from a lady that kissing was definite. When I arrived she gave me a hug and a kiss on the cheek. Asked me if I would like a drink. I accepted a coffee. A few minutes later we proceeded upstairs whereupon I learned that kissing was not on. Obviously money had changed hands on every occasion before the bad news was delivered. So as much as research is necessary I think that, when visiting a lady for the first time, one does need to clarify the available services before parting with the cash.

I believe that genuine ladies, and I have now met quite a few, would not be offended by being asked, politely and courteously, to clarify the situation. As for the others, do as Honey Badger did, walk away.

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I know why they do it because who ever is responsible for their marketing is wanting to attract the maximum number of clients possible, in the hope many won't walk. All it does is piss punters off, and make it more difficult for the genuine ladies to operate.

I don't know what the answer is but I do know I encourage newbies to phone and speak to the lady rather than rely on text to make all the arrangements, read websites and do their research.

Unfortunately so many are either too shy, or too lazy that push their odds up of a negative encounter ten fold. A punter generally knows kissing is on the cards within the first 5 minutes of an encounter with me, because it's one of the first things I do and after I've been given the money I'm right back on it.

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Had a few issues with some of the EE girls who seem to all work out the same place. You send a mail to find out about the services then when you turn up you find out it's not them to do the e-mails and some of them don't even know what one of the services is they are meant to offer.

As others have said some punters will still pay once they are there as by then they are up for it with little options for going elsewhere

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Unfortunately some see this as a very opportunist and easy way of making (a little or a lot of money) depending on the gullability of the guys....

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Research is Key,

It is important to do your research

phone and speak to the lady.

These three quotes have all been lifted from Paul's Punting Philosophy so I expect the Royalty cheques to come rushing in soon.

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Do so many escorts think so little of their clients to think they would settle for a lesser service to limit their disappointment?

I read an escort's profile yesterday about her GFE service she takes pride in but when I saw her in person and spoke to clarify her services before paying, she said "I don't do this and that", pretty much taking it down to a 'fuck and leave' service but she still expected the same fee for less of a service. I refused and promptly left. I was given a text later asking why I left so I told them they shouldn't lie about their services like that. There were a couple of other girls at the house so I suspect the girl I hoped to see didn't write the profile herself.

Why do so many escorts/agencies waste their own time (let alone punters) like this? I don't get laid by not falling for their con but more importantly for them, they don't get my money either.

Some punters think with their dicks and will punt whatever happens. Some SPs are just fine with a one-off conning and have no thought or brains in some cases of return custom. As you say some dont write their own profiles so are unaware of what services are down as on offer.

I did a thread on another punting forum about bait and switch and i was dismayed to see how many punters would not only punt with the switch but already know the pimp is a regular bait and switcher but still punts through them in the hope the switch will be good which on occassion they said she had been in the past, some of these punters were based in London so no lack of choice. Nowadays i would and have walked on principle, i wish to punt with the actual WGs whose pictures i saw, i just go to my plan B option. I prize honesty highly myself, clearly some dont.

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And there are plenty of punters out there who do see women merely as a hole to unload in and if these women don't care (or don't have the choice) to see those kinds of clients then they can get away without offering certain services (but will put them on a profile to get men through the door).

I'm sure my fellow escorts on here will too have experienced the numerous calls from men who have clearly not read my profile or website by asking if they can see me asap, but then ask basic questions they should have picked up on my webpage such as age, size, location, price makes me think they don't really care but just want someone to fuck. The manner in which they speak to me gives that away too! You know the sort ladies!

I think we forget that because many of the posters here are careful about who they see and are also have some respect for women that there a lot of men out there who very much see escorts as a quick way to get off and don't actually care when bait and switch occurs because they got their end away.

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And there are plenty of punters out there who do see women merely as a hole to unload in and if these women don't care (or don't have the choice) to see those kinds of clients then they can get away without offering certain services (but will put them on a profile to get men through the door).

I'm sure my fellow escorts on here will too have experienced the numerous calls from men who have clearly not read my profile or website by asking if they can see me asap, but then ask basic questions they should have picked up on my webpage such as age, size, location, price makes me think they don't really care but just want someone to fuck. The manner in which they speak to me gives that away too! You know the sort ladies!

I think we forget that because many of the posters here are careful about who they see and are also have some respect for women that there a lot of men out there who very much see escorts as a quick way to get off and don't actually care when bait and switch occurs because they got their end away.

Your right in all the above Lydia but not sure this sort of thing is limited to those that work for others as you mentioned in your first post. There are many lovely girls out there that work for agencies that hate this sort of thing and I've known more than a few Indies that mistakenly think they can get away with this.

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Your right in all the above Lydia but not sure this sort of thing is limited to those that work for others as you mentioned in your first post. There are many lovely girls out there that work for agencies that hate this sort of thing and I've known more than a few Indies that mistakenly think they can get away with this.

Yes, to be fair I was generalising, The risk of working for someone else is that you don't always have complete control. I have met agency/parlour girls who hate that their ages and dress sizes dropped and bust increased on profiles!

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Short sighted, lazy, money grubbing, good for nothing assholes with no respect for themselves and no respect for others.

I think that about sums it up

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Perhaps not helpful to label the thread bait and switch and instead talk about fewer services being available than offered in advance.

Using a different WG to meet the punter is straightforward cheating and pretty unfair on the replacement unless she is actively in on it.

Providing fewer services than advertised is less clearcut in that there MAY be reasons for it such as localised health issues.

I must admit and don't expect support when I say I am pretty soft about fewer services than expected - I rather take what's advertised with a pinch of salt and I might very well want to extend one activity and not bother with another.

But I realise a lot of punters absolutely want certain activities such as french kissing for example.

But again, i think the thread is misleadingly labelled and true bait and switch is almost criminal and I would hate to be put into a situation of having to decide how to react and if there are any unwanted consequences from the place's 'security' etc.

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I think Bait and Switch is a terrible thing to do and ends up giving many WGs a bad name, even those indie's who would never dream of doing it.

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My trite reply is "there's a sucker born every minute" i.e because people fall for it and give in, and there isn't a way to bring them to account in this line of work.

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Short sighted, lazy, money grubbing, good for nothing assholes with no respect for themselves and no respect for others.

I think that about sums it up

Apart from lazy, I think you just described humanity in general, be more specific!

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By the way "topsecretescorts" does this for all their escorts - fake "enjoys". Profle: girl is a dirty nympho - girl arrives - no kissing, condom on at all times. Don't use that agency.

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By the way "topsecretescorts" does this for all their escorts - fake "enjoys". Profle: girl is a dirty nympho - girl arrives - no kissing, condom on at all times. Don't use that agency.

The worst end of misrepresentation then as built into their modus operandi and I also wouldn't want to have anything to do with them if i used agencies but still not as fundamentally wrong as true bait and switch.

I do of course realise that in theory there might be a cohort of punters who would not find bait and switch so bad if they are content to walk into a parlour and accept whichever wg is available, i.e. they are not looking for a specific type.

But usually me take time to select from an agencies staff and as is amply demonstrated throughout the Pnet boards, often a great deal of research and consideration (and sometimes long series of texts/emails) have been expended in making a choice.

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Just to clarify, I did as much research as I possibly could have. I read the profile properly and spoke on the phone but like gibbs said, even that is no guarantee of success. It was only when I was in the bedroom with the escort when I asked for the last time to clarify her services that I realised I had been reeled in to a con.

It's only been the small minority of cases where this has happened with me but it does give the honest WGs a bad name.

Perhaps not helpful to label the thread bait and switch and instead talk about fewer services being available than offered in advance.

Why is it not helpful to have labelled the title as "bait and switch"?

Forgive me for sounding like she was a piece of meat to be rented out to whoever would pay but an advert was made, listing services to reel in customers. In person, those advertised services were not on offer but lower services were on offer for the same money (higher margin, low value services). Some punters would settle for the switch to avoid disappointment and that was what they seemed to count on with me but I wouldn't be duped.

If that's not bait and switch, kindly tell us what is.

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Why is it not helpful to have labelled the title as "bait and switch"?

Forgive me for sounding like she was a piece of meat to be rented out to whoever would pay but an advert was made, listing services to reel in customers. In person, those advertised services were not on offer but lower services were on offer for the same money (higher margin, low value services). Some punters would settle for the switch to avoid disappointment and that was what they seemed to count on with me but I wouldn't be duped.

If that's not bait and switch, kindly tell us what is.

Sorry if it came across rudely.

I would just say that I think bait and switch is used for a different girl being there than the one you booked with.

I think a girl not offering all the services that were promised is extremely annoying for the punter but just not how bait and switch is used. the bait is the attractiveness of the pictures that are the reason someone books with her and the switch is the literal switch of the girl in the pics to a completely different girl.

Even as I write that, I see more clearly how a reduction of services offered between what is advertised and what is actually offered can be seen as a form of bait and switch.

So perhaps so and I was assuming my interpretation was the only one possible.

I accept what you say, HoneyBadger.

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By the way "topsecretescorts" does this for all their escorts - fake "enjoys". Profle: girl is a dirty nympho - girl arrives - no kissing, condom on at all times. Don't use that agency.

Thanks for the info, they are now off my list of acceptable agencies.

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By the way "topsecretescorts" does this for all their escorts - fake "enjoys". Profle: girl is a dirty nympho - girl arrives - no kissing, condom on at all times. Don't use that agency.

Thx bonk.

Ideally we would need at least two confirmations of this, preferably from known and un-connected sources to be sure. but your remark does put them on the "doubtful" list.

(competitors are know to blacken one-another, so this sort of bold, generic, voluntarily information is to be taken with truckload of salt...)

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