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Thai Society's Relaxed Attitude To Sex Work (Despite Being 'illegal')

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Why is it that Thai society seems to have a relaxed attitude when it comes to paying for sexual services, despite being quite a conservative country (much emphasis on family values etc.)?

 

I read somewhere the majority of thai students pay for sex (from once to regularly), so very different from the western world.

 

 

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Um i yhink you will find alot of men see escorts within western society.Its not a thai thing.

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Yes, but a small majority/big minority of Europeans think it's immoral/ something to be ashamed of.

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Yes mainly daily mail readers...

 

 

Lol yes, but a poll some time ago indicated 48 pct or so want Sp and clients to be criminalised (general pop). It surprised me. Online polls show sth different, but polls by organisations like yougov/comres show many people have moral problems with the selling of sexual services, most of all youngers which surprised me even more. Other countries seem to have a more laid back attitude and I wonder why that is.

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Some Mediterranean countries seem to be also quite conservative and have strong family ties, but nevertheless enjoy punting more freely than in some parts of Northern Europe. Maybe because they're usually patriarchal  families where the man basically does whatever he wants (of course women paying for sex wouldn't be seen so kindly). But I don't know the answer either  :)

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Yes mainly daily mail readers...

 

And mumsnet.

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I'm sure you've read enough on Thailand and its history to understand where the Thai sex industry started Orientallover.

Now go and do some proper study and stop procrastinating, you have exams! 

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The real engine that governs a lot of peoples thoughts and actions regarding what is right and wrong is the media and celebrities. shameful as I am to say..... Possibly in Thai Land there are films and media outlets that show paying for companionship of the opposite sex is not a shameful thing to do. 

 

Just look at strip clubs in the United Kingdom. Twenty years ago I doubt you would see many females with their boyfriends going to strip clubs but since it has been shown in the media of celebrities doing this there has been a significant increase in partners accompanying their other half to strip clubs. We are a species who look to others to see if what we are doing is right. We did it when we were young children and in some ways we still do it now. Unfortunately the government likes to use this resource as a form of control.

 

So to answer your question I think it has something to do with the social thoughts about paying for companionship with the opposite sex and how others are usually judged.

 

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Lol yes, but a poll some time ago indicated 48 pct or so want Sp and clients to be criminalised (general pop). It surprised me. Online polls show sth different, but polls by organisations like yougov/comres show many people have moral problems with the selling of sexual services, most of all youngers which surprised me even more. Other countries seem to have a more laid back attitude and I wonder why that is.

People often answer polls with what they think they should say rather than what they really think, especially if someone is asking the questions in person.

I believe in Thailand Buddhism plays a role and is less judgemental than many christian or indeed other cultures. Plus I've heard it said that Thais see sex as more of a bodily function and necessity than many other cultures do, plenty of this stuff on the thai punting sites.

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I think you are wrong - in asian societies it is frowned upon. Yes male students may well lose it that way - but for the families it is shame if their girl is a hooker.

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I'm sure you've read enough on Thailand and its history to understand where the Thai sex industry started Orientallover.

Now go and do some proper study and stop procrastinating, you have exams! 

Posted at 21.12 which is way past his bed time. You should know better.

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Every society has its own peculiar norms and Thailand is no different in its ambivalent attitude not only toward prostitution but also other sexual issues such as gender change. I like them for it.

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It's down to the Thai Buddist culture, yes prostitution has been illegal in the country since the 60's, but there has always been sex workers, even now many rich Thai men keep a mistress (mia noi) and most wives turn a blind eye, as long as the husband dosn't rub their face in it, this also goes for less wealthy Thai men, who will visit a kareoke bar with his mates, and shag a girl. Most prostitutes in Thailand service the local Thai market.

As for bargirls, most leave the village in Isaan to earn good money for their family, as the goverment don't give a shit about piss poor Isaan yokels, the family will know where the money comes from, but they won't mention this, this is part of the saving face, a bargirl will make merit sending money home to family, and will believe she will be reincarnated as a higher being in the next life.

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It's down to the Thai Buddist culture, yes prostitution has been illegal in the country since the 60's, but there has always been sex workers, even now many rich Thai men keep a mistress (mia noi) and most wives turn a blind eye, as long as the husband dosn't rub their face in it, this also goes for less wealthy Thai men, who will visit a kareoke bar with his mates, and shag a girl. Most prostitutes in Thailand service the local Thai market.

As for bargirls, most leave the village in Isaan to earn good money for their family, as the goverment don't give a shit about piss poor Isaan yokels, the family will know where the money comes from, but they won't mention this, this is part of the saving face, a bargirl will make merit sending money home to family, and will believe she will be reincarnated as a higher being in the next life.

 

 

  Exactly , couldn't agree more .

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It's down to the Thai Buddist culture, yes prostitution has been illegal in the country since the 60's, but there has always been sex workers, even now many rich Thai men keep a mistress (mia noi) and most wives turn a blind eye, as long as the husband dosn't rub their face in it, this also goes for less wealthy Thai men, who will visit a kareoke bar with his mates, and shag a girl. Most prostitutes in Thailand service the local Thai market.

As for bargirls, most leave the village in Isaan to earn good money for their family, as the goverment don't give a shit about piss poor Isaan yokels, the family will know where the money comes from, but they won't mention this, this is part of the saving face, a bargirl will make merit sending money home to family, and will believe she will be reincarnated as a higher being in the next life.

 

Yap, agreed :ph34r:

 

The same applies in other Buddhist countries namely Cambodia, Vietnam and Burma. Korea and Japan have a relaxed attitude to paying for sex. Same same China although strictly speaking not a Buddhist country.

 

Another important factor is that pragtism will always trump poverty. Look at the Philippines. God-fearing Catholics who believe in heaven and hell, but many who will go with a richer man irregardless of age in return for a cellphone or a digital camera. Its not prostitution coz no cash is offered :P

 

In fact, the same applies in some Muslim countries. I'm thinking here of Indonesia in particular but Morocco can be quite saucy too. Have never been to sub-Saharan Africa but my guess is that money can buy whatever you want.

 

Enjoy <_<

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Is it relaxed through choice or necessity though. Perhaps the sex trade there has just become a self perpetuating monster that the authorities really dont know how to deal with without wiping it out altogether by coming down hard with raids and thus making a good chunk of the  female population in some areas out of work and without means of earning money. I am sure there are also that many bungs going on by the girls and the establishment and bar owners to the police force and local government that its probably going to be very hard for the authorities to find the will to control it in any way. It seems endemic in some areas.

 

Also considering how large the thai tourist industry is they must be between a rock and a hard place. Clamp down and lose a huge chunk of their tourist cashflow or keep on going and the industry grows into an even bigger issue. I think it will clamp down one day if things get out of hand. It already is well on the way that way when ordinary girls who are not prostitues are being harassed by western tourists who assume they are and gang raped on their way home from work by the local thai youth who assume they are prostitutes simply because they sell beer to tourists....which pays  a pittance if the documentarys are to be believed so some do top up their earnings fucking a few guys on the side but not all of them do this...but the assumption seems to be with the local lads that they all are. Gang rape in one area is getting so bad its a common thing to happen. I  cant remember the area but the local prostitutes and beer girls were interviewed plus one of the outreach workers who works with the prostitutes and also several thai youths who had their faces blurred. They all said its endemic and all of the youths admitted to joining in doing it too. The only one who said it doesnt happen was the high rank police official who denied anything of the sort thankyou very much because girls dont really report it as when they do they are then arrested for prostitution. mmmm 

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Swings and roundabouts. Anyone want to import the Thai attitude to car driving?

The older I get the more I dislike the English attitude that other countried do it better than us nd we cherry pick all sorts of morals and behaviour from other countries and try to graft it on. Remember the Labour Party's great idea of the cafe society taken from Europe? We were going to have inner town areas full of open to midnight bars where we could saunter out and sip gentle wines like adults. What we got was the get out, get pissed, throw up society instead.

(goes off grumbling and sits down to read his Daily Mail)

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The natural pragmatism of Thai people?

 

It pays the bills.

 

My uncle lives in Thailand. He has done so for over 20 years. He always has a woman living with him full time. It changes every 2 or 3 years. He's now 82. He never has a problem getting a live in.  His current one is 35.

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Relaxed attitude to prostitutes - maybe, but many of the locals down Pattaya way don't think much of the farangs who come there for sex

 

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Yap, agreed :ph34r:

The same applies in other Buddhist countries namely Cambodia, Vietnam and Burma. Korea and Japan have a relaxed attitude to paying for sex. Same same China although strictly speaking not a Buddhist country.

Another important factor is that pragtism will always trump poverty. Look at the Philippines. God-fearing Catholics who believe in heaven and hell, but many who will go with a richer man irregardless of age in return for a cellphone or a digital camera. Its not prostitution coz no cash is offered :P

In fact, the same applies in some Muslim countries. I'm thinking here of Indonesia in particular but Morocco can be quite saucy too. Have never been to sub-Saharan Africa but my guess is that money can buy whatever you want.

Enjoy <_<

Cambodia and Vietnam the trade is not so free, a mate of mine moved down to Sihanoukville with his Thai wife a couple of years ago, he opened a bar/restaurant, he was hoping the resort would become the new Pattaya, but soon after the Police clamped down.

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Is it relaxed through choice or necessity though. Perhaps the sex trade there has just become a self perpetuating monster that the authorities really dont know how to deal with without wiping it out altogether by coming down hard with raids and thus making a good chunk of the  female population in some areas out of work and without means of earning money. I am sure there are also that many bungs going on by the girls and the establishment and bar owners to the police force and local government that its probably going to be very hard for the authorities to find the will to control it in any way. It seems endemic in some areas.

 

Also considering how large the thai tourist industry is they must be between a rock and a hard place. Clamp down and lose a huge chunk of their tourist cashflow or keep on going and the industry grows into an even bigger issue. I think it will clamp down one day if things get out of hand. It already is well on the way that way when ordinary girls who are not prostitues are being harassed by western tourists who assume they are and gang raped on their way home from work by the local thai youth who assume they are prostitutes simply because they sell beer to tourists....which pays  a pittance if the documentarys are to be believed so some do top up their earnings fucking a few guys on the side but not all of them do this...but the assumption seems to be with the local lads that they all are. Gang rape in one area is getting so bad its a common thing to happen. I  cant remember the area but the local prostitutes and beer girls were interviewed plus one of the outreach workers who works with the prostitutes and also several thai youths who had their faces blurred. They all said its endemic and all of the youths admitted to joining in doing it too. The only one who said it doesnt happen was the high rank police official who denied anything of the sort thankyou very much because girls dont really report it as when they do they are then arrested for prostitution. mmmm 

Basically Thailand is still a feudal kingdom, the royals at the top, the rich Thais and the Chinese/Thai professionals, then the middle class central Thais, and at the very bottom are the brown skinned Isaan folk.

Until Taksin came along most rich Thais including the goverment couldn't give a shit about the poor from Isaan, if the goverment banned prostitution then they would have to actually put their hand in their pocket for Isaan.

The main organised gangsters in the kingdom are the Police and Army, to actually get the spot of chief of police in Pattaya the candidates bid in a auction, highest wins, so guess where the chief gets back his money and more some? Yes the bars and clubs of Patts, if a bar dosn't pay tea money they get shut down.

Saying that the mayor of Pattaya is wanting to move a lot of the bars east of second road, as they are trying to attract more and more families from Russia, China and India.

As for girls being raped, there is a saying, a Isaan virgin is a girl that can run faster than her brothers and uncles, you do hear some stories of the girls at a young age either being raped or being talked into it by youg men in their village, and when she becomes pregnant the boy runs a mile. Hence why many bargirls are mothers.

As for girls being mistook for bargirls, this is common in a place like Pattaya or lower Sukhumvit in BKK, some foolish punters think all Thai women are hookers, this is not so, I know a few who afaik have never done this, many bargirls have a young Thai bf or even gf, they can suck money from them too.

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Why is it that Thai society seems to have a relaxed attitude when it comes to paying for sexual services, despite being quite a conservative country (much emphasis on family values etc.)?

 

I read somewhere the majority of thai students pay for sex (from once to regularly), so very different from the western world.

 

I cant think of a single reason why 'Thai society' is so tolerant of the millions upon millions in international currency that the sex trade brings in on a regular basis ?

 

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Edited by BillGoldberg

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One should expect that over time, this industry in Thailand will shrink, lower and middle classes moving up quickly and it will get harder to find recruits with less attractive alternatives. Either that, or they go the other way and hyper-institutionalise it for the burgeoning classes of lonely single males, deserted by society in China and India which have favoured infanticide-driven male bias.

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In the long run I think they will price themselves out of the global market with punting tourists more likely to head off to other cheaper countries and being replaced with more families and it will become sanitised much like many former fleshpots in the west, Vegas, soho, what is slowly happening in Amsterdam etc. Thailand is on its way up. I'd imagine at the moment in Issan girls would be preferred to boys from an economic point of view.

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