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This story is about me and a girl who started escorting, via agencies, just a couple of months ago.  I was one of her first clients and have seen her about six times overall.  She is about at the top end of what I would pay for, with a 90 min booking costing £300, but I have enjoyed her company very much as she has the combination of perfect looks (for my taste) and a personality I click with really well.

 

She let me know that 50% of her earnings goes to the agency.  I have to say I find using agencies to be more and more irritating over time.  Of course a big part of my gripe against them is the fact that half of my punting money goes to them, yet the girl provides all the service.  The WG benefits from the marketing and from free or subsidised accommodation, and perhaps some other services that have a minor financial benefit.

 

However, a girl such as my regular, working at £200 per hour can be paying away anywhere between £1,000 and £3,000 per week, depending upon how busy she is.  Even at the lower end of the scale this seems massively greater than the benefit received.

 

Where am I going with all this?  Well, I recently saw a girl from AW, who I recognised also worked through agencies, so I asked her what her deal was.  She told me that because she sorts her own affairs, her own flat etc, the agencies only take about £20 per booking, rather than half her earnings.  She likened paying away 50% to being pimped (her words, I stress).

 

Last Friday, I saw my regular again and told her what I had learned from this other girl.  I left her thinking that she is potentially in a much better position if she can change the way she does things and renegotiates with the agencies.  I did retain some concern however, as to how the agency might respond to such a loss of earnings.

 

Yesterday evening, I notice her profile coming down from one agency to another.  Today (Monday) she is invisible.  I doubt this is the way she anticipated things happening.  I text her this morning asking what's happened.  No reply.  I text again 'R U ok?'  No reply.  I tried phoning this afternoon, but phone is answered then hung up straight away.

 

I feel terrible now.  It seems that my encouragement has led her into a conflict situation with her 'employers' who have now cut her off from her income completely.  I would assume that they are also requiring her to vacate the subsidised flat that she lives and works in toot sweet as well.

 

I take it that her lack of response to my texts / call as an indication that she probably consider me to have the blame in starting her down this road, and thus to some extent responsible for her current troubles.

 

How badly have I messed this one up?

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It is up to her how she acted on what you said to her.

 

One of my non sex buddies got himself in to a bit of bother with an agency lady when he got a bit involved with giving her what he thought was friendly advice.

 

Sometimes it is best to let a lady sort her own affairs out without getting involved, even though intentions are good.

 

 

Lucy  :) 

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This story is about me and a girl who started escorting, via agencies, just a couple of months ago. I was one of her first clients and have seen her about six times overall. She is about at the top end of what I would pay for, with a 90 min booking costing £300, but I have enjoyed her company very much as she has the combination of perfect looks (for my taste) and a personality I click with really well.

She let me know that 50% of her earnings goes to the agency. I have to say I find using agencies to be more and more irritating over time. Of course a big part of my gripe against them is the fact that half of my punting money goes to them, yet the girl provides all the service. The WG benefits from the marketing and from free or subsidised accommodation, and perhaps some other services that have a minor financial benefit.

However, a girl such as my regular, working at £200 per hour can be paying away anywhere between £1,000 and £3,000 per week, depending upon how busy she is. Even at the lower end of the scale this seems massively greater than the benefit received.

Where am I going with all this? Well, I recently saw a girl from AW, who I recognised also worked through agencies, so I asked her what her deal was. She told me that because she sorts her own affairs, her own flat etc, the agencies only take about £20 per booking, rather than half her earnings. She likened paying away 50% to being pimped (her words, I stress).

Last Friday, I saw my regular again and told her what I had learned from this other girl. I left her thinking that she is potentially in a much better position if she can change the way she does things and renegotiates with the agencies. I did retain some concern however, as to how the agency might respond to such a loss of earnings.

Yesterday evening, I notice her profile coming down from one agency to another. Today (Monday) she is invisible. I doubt this is the way she anticipated things happening. I text her this morning asking what's happened. No reply. I text again 'R U ok?' No reply. I tried phoning this afternoon, but phone is answered then hung up straight away.

I feel terrible now. It seems that my encouragement has led her into a conflict situation with her 'employers' who have now cut her off from her income completely. I would assume that they are also requiring her to vacate the subsidised flat that she lives and works in toot sweet as well.

I take it that her lack of response to my texts / call as an indication that she probably consider me to have the blame in starting her down this road, and thus to some extent responsible for her current troubles.

How badly have I messed this one up?

She is an adult responsible for her own actions so your arent responsible at all in my view plus you dont know for definite what exactly has occured anyway. I dont punt through Agencies nowadays as they charge far too much in London for my liking but when i used to i always tried to cut the Agency out and see if the WG was interested in punting with me Indie at a lesser rate than the Agency charged but she would get 100% of my money. This worked well with those interested and of course i never said anything to the Agency. Always cut out the middle man if its cheaper to do so is my advice. Edited by smiths

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I have had lots of well meaning advice from lots of people since I began working,both from clients and other wgs.Some I take on and some I don't.Really she should have thought about what you said and if she felt you were right then it was up to her how she handled things.It sounds to me like she might have gone in all guns blazing and thats why she is off the agencies books.The book stops with her she had the choice of whether she took your advice or not.But I think overall its best not to give advice about things like agency fees unless asked.

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She let me know that 50% of her earnings goes to the agency.  .

 

  I would assume that they are also requiring her to vacate the subsidised flat that she lives and works in toot sweet as well.

So is she loosing 50% or earnings to the agency if they subsidise her flat as well? Out of the 50% she gives them I presume from what you are saying they pay her rent with with this. 

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Didn't you post a thread on this subject a few days ago, or was that someone else?I think some of the advice was to be careful lest she lost her place to work or live from.

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Didn't you post a thread on this subject a few days ago, or was that someone else?I think some of the advice was to be careful lest she lost her place to work or live from.

Indeed it was.

 

Despite what others have rightly said about this lady being a grown-up and responsible for her own decisions, something about this, and I've no idea what, makes me feel uneasy about your repeated interest in this lady and her private and personal arrangements.

 

Please accept my apologies in advance, but the feeling I have is almost sinister. Sorry.

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How badly have I messed this one up?

 

 

Eeek.  In future, stop meddling.  Not that it's of much help to either of you right now.  

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 So she was doing alright until she met you .  Some girls can make a lot more working with agencies than going it alone . You don't know what expense the agency had on her behalf , putting up her pics or even paying her studio costs sometimes .  Would you rather she was working for you ? 

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I have had lots of well meaning advice from lots of people since I began working,both from clients and other wgs.Some I take on and some I don't.Really she should have thought about what you said and if she felt you were right then it was up to her how she handled things.It sounds to me like she might have gone in all guns blazing and thats why she is off the agencies books.The book stops with her she had the choice of whether she took your advice or not.But I think overall its best not to give advice about things like agency fees unless asked.

 

 

Agree 100% with you Bibi.

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She's not answering your calls because you are just the sort of irritating client we like to avoid. Leave her alone FFS

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I may have misread you, but if she is living and working in the accomodation supplied by the agency, then she is not giving them 50% of her earnings for nothing.  A good portion of my earnings go into accomodation and bills and I have to find my own work. 

 

I think for someone new to the job, she was probably getting a reasonable deal and as she grew in confidence and had a better understanding, she may have branched out on her own naturally.

 

What I'm not understanding is your motivation for advising in the first place.  Was it because she was unhappy with her earnings, or was it because you were unhappy to pay the Agency?  If the latter, was that a good enough reason to meddle?

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Another punter who thinks that punting is dating. I dont give advice to any WG I see when I am not asked.

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Didn't you post a thread on this subject a few days ago, or was that someone else?I think some of the advice was to be careful lest she lost her place to work or live from.

Yes, I did.

 

However, it was myself that raised the concerns about the possible risks to her losing her place of work, rather than this being advice provided by others.  I was concerned that she shouldn't take action whereby she could come unstuck.

 

It seems as though my concerns were accurate.  However, I had not been in touch with her to discuss these concerns since our meeting.

 

Indeed it was.

 

Despite what others have rightly said about this lady being a grown-up and responsible for her own decisions, something about this, and I've no idea what, makes me feel uneasy about your repeated interest in this lady and her private and personal arrangements.

 

Please accept my apologies in advance, but the feeling I have is almost sinister. Sorry.

 

Kodiak, kissxkate & matrix837 it was her that started the conversation, by stating that she didn't feel she was making enough to make the job worthwhile in her opinion.  The fact that I had an interest in helping her keep going is hardly sinister I think.

 

As far as paying for the accommodation is concerned, she stated that she was still paying £500 pw for the flat over and above whatever the agency was paying, and it was her opinion that their financial input to her accommodation was not significant.  It's not for me to do the maths for her, and I didn't.

 

 

She's not answering your calls because you are just the sort of irritating client we like to avoid. Leave her alone FFS

 

Thanks lovekitties.  I love you too.  Until her profile went down, the only text / call between us was from her to me thanking me for a pleasant time.  I'm sure you know better though, eh?

 

On the whole, I'll take the majority view that she has to be the one to take responsibility for her decisions / actions.  I think I've beaten myself up over it sufficiently (with a bit of help from some of you).

 

Now, where did I put that last bottle of Rioja?

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I'm sorry hunni but you are well out of order. I have been thinking about starting up an agency myself and do you seriously think I or anyone else would do that for nothing or have a clue what's actually involved?

Have you any idea how much advertising, accommodation etc cost's? To say nothing of the responsibility of making sure your girls are safe, vetting clients, web presence, putting up with girls that want to work only when they feel like it and so on. You should not have been interfering and have only yourself to blame if she wants nothing to do with you now.

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This story is about me and a girl who started escorting, via agencies, just a couple of months ago.  I was one of her first clients and have seen her about six times overall.  She is about at the top end of what I would pay for, with a 90 min booking costing £300, but I have enjoyed her company very much as she has the combination of perfect looks (for my taste) and a personality I click with really well.

 

She let me know that 50% of her earnings goes to the agency.  I have to say I find using agencies to be more and more irritating over time.  Of course a big part of my gripe against them is the fact that half of my punting money goes to them, yet the girl provides all the service.  The WG benefits from the marketing and from free or subsidised accommodation, and perhaps some other services that have a minor financial benefit.

 

However, a girl such as my regular, working at £200 per hour can be paying away anywhere between £1,000 and £3,000 per week, depending upon how busy she is.  Even at the lower end of the scale this seems massively greater than the benefit received.

 

Where am I going with all this?  Well, I recently saw a girl from AW, who I recognised also worked through agencies, so I asked her what her deal was.  She told me that because she sorts her own affairs, her own flat etc, the agencies only take about £20 per booking, rather than half her earnings.  She likened paying away 50% to being pimped (her words, I stress).

 

Last Friday, I saw my regular again and told her what I had learned from this other girl.  I left her thinking that she is potentially in a much better position if she can change the way she does things and renegotiates with the agencies.  I did retain some concern however, as to how the agency might respond to such a loss of earnings.

 

Yesterday evening, I notice her profile coming down from one agency to another.  Today (Monday) she is invisible.  I doubt this is the way she anticipated things happening.  I text her this morning asking what's happened.  No reply.  I text again 'R U ok?'  No reply.  I tried phoning this afternoon, but phone is answered then hung up straight away.

 

I feel terrible now.  It seems that my encouragement has led her into a conflict situation with her 'employers' who have now cut her off from her income completely.  I would assume that they are also requiring her to vacate the subsidised flat that she lives and works in toot sweet as well.

 

I take it that her lack of response to my texts / call as an indication that she probably consider me to have the blame in starting her down this road, and thus to some extent responsible for her current troubles.

 

How badly have I messed this one up?

 

 

Thurson please take what I say as my opinion and not a pop at you.  You will not be the first guy to interfere in a WG's affairs no matter how well meant you think this is - it's really none of your business, not your concern and detracts from the pleasurable time you spend with her.

 

What she pays to her agency?  None of your beeswax.  What she makes in a week?  That's not your business either, and.............. she could be spinning you a tale anyway.

 

Just enjoy your time with Working Girls and leave the politics out of it.  You will have a much better experience honestly.

 

Sarah x

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First thing that came to my mind: maybe she has just completely quit and decided to move on with her life.

 

Some people can make very sudden decisions.

 

If she was pissed off at you, I am sure she would have said so when you phoned her.

 

The fact that she hung up makes me think that maybe she has decided to quit and do something else with her life. After all, you don't know her that well or what plans she may have been making.

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Or she could have been outed and needed to quit (friend, boyfriend, family member etc..) found out. Or she just "had it" with her job and wanted out (hence the reasons she's not answering her WG phone). As a female I can think of a myriad of reasons  that have nothing to do with you. There's this saying: "Don't take other people's personal problems as your own".

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I may have misread you, but if she is living and working in the accomodation supplied by the agency, then she is not giving them 50% of her earnings for nothing.  A good portion of my earnings go into accomodation and bills and I have to find my own work. 

 

I think for someone new to the job, she was probably getting a reasonable deal and as she grew in confidence and had a better understanding, she may have branched out on her own naturally.

 

What I'm not understanding is your motivation for advising in the first place.  Was it because she was unhappy with her earnings, or was it because you were unhappy to pay the Agency?  If the latter, was that a good enough reason to meddle?

Good point Kate as indies we quite often have to run a seperate 'home' and pay the bills for it, pay for our own advertising and costs so really a fair bit of what we earn is taken away. Yep def you should have not got involved but if she has in fact gone ranting to the agency then more fool her as well.

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She's not answering your calls because you are just the sort of irritating client we like to avoid. Leave her alone FFS

I'm afraid I have to agree with you lovekitties.

 

Perhaps the board ought to have a separate agony column – “Commiserate with Claire,” “Sympathise with Sarah” – something like that!

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The girl was probably just asking for a tip. next time just bung her an extra 50, and save yourself all this heartache.

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The girl was probably just asking for a tip. next time just bung her an extra 50, and save yourself all this heartache.

At £300 for 90 mins even if she is paying half of that over she is still getting £150 in her pocket, that's not to be sneezed at in this current climate is it?

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At £300 for 90 mins even if she is paying half of that over she is still getting £150 in her pocket, that's not to be sneezed at in this current climate is it?

 

 

do you think she is greedy

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To be honest, if I saw an agency escort at 300 quid a time... and she volunteered info that half of it went to agency, I'd assume she was suggesting that we come to an "offside arrangement". (I might well have suggested an outcall for 200 quid, and booked an hotel!)

 

If on other hand OP fished for info....... then (for me) the line between "interference" and "helpful advice" was crossed. 

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Thanks lovekitties.  I love you too.  Until her profile went down, the only text / call between us was from her to me thanking me for a pleasant time.  I'm sure you know better though, eh?

 

Now, where did I put that last bottle of Rioja?

 

Thanks for the love.  :wub:  You're right on one thing though; I do know better. 

 

Enjoy the Rioja  x

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