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Routine Gum Visit Turned Into...

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Ok so I went to the clinic today for a regular check up.

 

I am not a seasoned punter but whenever I do punt I play very carefully and ALWAYS follow up with a urine check 2 weeks after and a full screen 3 months after.

When playing I do not perform oral sex on the lady, I always use a condom and that includes oral on me.

 

So when the nurse led me into the usual small room to take a blood sample she asked if I had any questions. I did have a question this time and she said she would get me to speak to a doctor.

 

This doctor scared the shit out of me. My question was about the risk of catching an STD when performing cunnilingus. His answer was yes there is a risk. End of. When asked if a mouth swab is good thing to do (having performed cunniligus once on a WG) he said that the urine test would pick it up so not to worry.

 

He then looked through my history and spotted that I have 'paid for sex with a commercial sex worker' after a spanish inquisition he said he would get me to give the samples as per the norm but then speak to a health advisor. Why? because I have paid for sex once I am likely to do it again (in my mind I thought too right - its an amazing hobby - you should try it!). He then explained that I am at risk because I am in contact with this community. I explained that I am always careful and that I am a regular at the clinic - he didnt seem too interested. Get this, I asked him as I walked out to give samples - Is there a risk of STD through kissing (Chlam, Gonno etc) he said yes, same as any other sexual activity. Oh and he instructed for me to have the Hep B vaccination as I am an at risk person.

 

I gave my samples and got the first of my Hep B jabs (more to follow) and then got spoken to by a health advisor after the doctor had a quiet word with her. She then told me that because I am in contact with the punting industry I need to be aware of the risks etc etc and that I will be having an instant finger prick test there and then to check for HIV. I was now bricking it. I explained again that I play safe and that they were scareing me, she agreed that I am good but is just explaining that the ppl I see are at risk that means I am at risk. I asked about the mouth swab and the fact that urine will pick it up. She said no it won't so we threw in a throat swab too today (this contradicts what the doc told me).

 

Anyway the worst part of it was sitting there watching her and another nurse work out how to do the 'new' finger prick test. They could see I was getting worked up and told me that it is accurate and at least it would tell me if I am HIV+ or not!

 

The test was negative. I once again kept on about how in previous visits when I first started out as a punter I was told just what the risks are and that the activity I was into (safe) was very low risk. I also demonstrated to them that I was clued up and her reply was well at least you know what you are doing and manage to come in to check - we can't ask for more. I am now crapping it for my results in 2 weeks but I still have a couple of pro rata punts within the last 3 months so I am even planning in my final check up roughly 3 months from now to be certain. Needless to say that I am giving this hobby up - seems like they know something I don't.

 

I mean WHAT THE F@CK! Can anyone tell me why this happened? I read the usual risk vs reward replies on OWO and stuff but really? Is the risk so bad and I was none the wiser till today? Good job I do not do OWO or anything without a condom!

 

Oh yeh and when I asked about kissing one nurse almost straight away made a face as if to say 'nahhh, kissing is ok' but she looked at the other nurse and after a moment both went on to go on about mouth sores and risks....

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A little tl;dr but I skimmed.

 

I wouldn´t worry personally, I have found, apart from routine things, doctors talk a lot of bollocks and make a ton of mistakes, especially if they aren´t specialists and not talking about their area.  Nurses the same.

 

I don´t blame them, because they work too long hours and we can´t expect them to keep up with huge amounts of ever-changing information.  Research the field yourself if you are interested.

 

I´m not scared of dying young so willing to take the risks, which in this area, for the deadly illnesses, are usually overemphasised.

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My suspicion is that they have had a scare in the clinic with a previous misdiagnosis and have resolved to put the fear of shit into any poor guy who turns up and admits to punting.

 

On the assumption that you give a false name and a private e-mail address, I would suggest you change clinics, and use a new ID.

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This isn't usual, there is a risk with oral sex but it's a tiny fraction of that of intercourse - according to the chart I read in the health workers room last couple of times I've been there. Men are also less likely to contract an STI than women, something to do with the penis being inserted, than the other way around.

 

There is a risk with any physical contact with anyone, which is probably why they were telling you this but sounds as if they were on a do-gooder crusade which is unprofessional, and unacceptable.

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Where did you get tested? I didn't know anywhere that did same day HIV testing apart from private clinics and there's a 3 month wit for results?

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hi annabelle, i got tested at my usual gum clinic in derby.

its a finger prick test that uses drops of blood on some sort of device like a pregnancy test and the outcome is supposed to be as accurate as a blood test.

thanks for replies so far. still worried about the whole risk thing. very strange seeing as its the same clinic that provided a great service up to now. does anyone know if i an putting myself at risk even with a condom? might give terence higgins a call.

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 might give terence higgins a call.

I hate to have to break it to you but he's dead!

 

But on a more serious note, if you have any concerns then you are quite right to follow them up with whatever source you feel is best. The Terence Higgins Trust could well be a good place to start.

 

I hope you can find the peace of mind that you need. Good luck.

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hi annabelle, i got tested at my usual gum clinic in derby.

its a finger prick test that uses drops of blood on some sort of device like a pregnancy test and the outcome is supposed to be as accurate as a blood test.

thanks for replies so far. still worried about the whole risk thing. very strange seeing as its the same clinic that provided a great service up to now. does anyone know if i an putting myself at risk even with a condom? might give terence higgins a call.

Yes and you are also at risk if your Granny kisses you on the cheek. I am not joking either - it's how small children get cold sores.

 

Nothing is 100% and you things like molluscum can be transmitted from skin contact at around the base of the penis/body to body. It's all low risk though and I do remember a booking with someone who I'm 99% sure had concerns about any skin contact at all. Whilst I always respect an individual's stance on their own sexual health, having someone hold the condom at the base whilst not allowing penetration any deeper than up to their fingers, combined with not allowing anything more than a peck on the lips makes a sensual encounter nigh on impossible, and the result made arousal difficult not to mention the physicalities of maintaining certain positions.

 

You need to have proper impartial advice, then go away with the information and decide for yourself before it starts to affect your pleasure. No point engaging with another person if you are then going to be wanting to don rubber gloves and keep a 2 inch distance from each other. 

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Yes, I told my local clinic about my punting and they were surprisingly professional about it.

Recommended I get my hep b shots and did a same day hiv test.

 

They recommend I come in ever 12 weeks for retest as punting is seen as high risk.

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Yes, I told my local clinic about my punting and they were surprisingly professional about it.

Recommended I get my hep b shots and did a same day hiv test.

 

They recommend I come in ever 12 weeks for retest as punting is seen as high risk.

That's sound advice that all blokes should follow. I trust that all the Service Providers have a similar regime.

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kind of glad that im having hep b shots - can only be to vaccinate i suppose. instant hiv test was neg so thats good but will need a screening at the end of march to consider the pro rata punts (all safe) completed in dec. :-(

this is starting to become a stats model. im ok today but tomorrow....

and then theres herpes. no cure, no test but at least to date...no symptoms.

love the name porker paul by the way!

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love the name porker paul by the way!

Thanks    but that's Mr Porker to you, junior :P

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Where did you get tested? I didn't know anywhere that did same day HIV testing apart from private clinics and there's a 3 month wit for results?

 

I haven't heard of anywhere that takes 3 months to provide a result for HIV.  Even NHS Sexual Health clinics take only a week with the older style blood test.

 

However, I understand that it takes up to three months from infection for it to show up on a test.  So maybe you have these two confused?

 

Myself, I would not let very minor risks worry me to much.  Otherwise I'd never get in a car, or go on holiday, or get in tube, or...

 

Going back for my 3 month test at the end of Feb though. ;)

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I haven't heard of anywhere that takes 3 months to provide a result for HIV.  Even NHS Sexual Health clinics take only a week with the older style blood test.

 

However, I understand that it takes up to three months from infection for it to show up on a test.  So maybe you have these two confused?

 

Myself, I would not let very minor risks worry me to much.  Otherwise I'd never get in a car, or go on holiday, or get in tube, or...

 

Going back for my 3 month test at the end of Feb though. ;)

Yes that's what I meant. Wasn't very clear!

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That's sound advice that all blokes should follow. I trust that all the Service Providers have a similar regime.

I trust to nothing of the sort. I get myself checked regularly and have had none of the palaver that the poor OP experienced from my NHS GUM clinic. What WGs and other punters do is up to them. It is good advice to get tested every 3 months, but I bet loads don't. Edited by Kantos Kan

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There's nothing amiss with what happened to you. They just can't tell you there's NO risk at all with most sexual activities because the fact is that there is. So if you ask about kissing, for example, they just can't rule out risk for you. It would be unprofessional to do so because they wouldn't be telling you the facts. Also, they just won't ever reassure you that a certain activity is fairly unlikely to be dangerous, such as receiving OWO, and by so doing, encourage you to continue to chance it. That's not what they're there for. They want to inform you there's a possibility of infection and that puts the responsibility for your actions squarely on you and no-one else.

A couple of years ago I had a very similar interview, and being a married man, it all scared the hell out of me too. But I didn't resent being told the unpalatable truth. The consultant also added that if I were planning to see Asian girls I ought to get vaccinated for hepatitis B because there's a high prevalence of it among them and sooner or later I'd meet one who had it.

If you're a married man the whole scene can be extra scary, so much so that I've sometimes considered just asking for touching and hugging and intimate fondling (but no kissing on the lips), and letting it end with hand relief only. That's the only 100% risk free activity with a girl that I can think of. It's a bit sad but at least you don't have to go back to your wife with any secret worries.

But in the end it just depends on how much of a risk taker you are and what the consequences would be if you catch anything. If I were single I'd take a lot more risks and not worry all that much... and spend a lot more money on having sex with young women!

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@Alwayshoping

thanks for the reply, what you say rings home with me too. in fact i think i will now opt for the massage and tug option!

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They recommend I come in ever 12 weeks for retest as punting is seen as high risk.

 

I'm not medically qualified, but I'm puzzled: is punting really higher risk than pub-pick-ups and one night stands? (I assume that none of us here go for stand-up barebacks behind the Bahnhof, there.)

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@Alwayshoping

thanks for the reply, what you say rings home with me too. in fact i think i will now opt for the massage and tug option!

 

 

Trichomoniasis is a sexually transmitted infection caused by the parasite Trichomonas vaginalis.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Trichomoniasis is found worldwide. In the United States, the highest number of cases are seen in women between age 16 and 35.Trichomonas vaginalis is spread through sexual contact with an infected partner. This include penis-to-vagina intercourse or vulva-to-vulva contact. The parasite cannot survive in the mouth or rectum.

The disease can affect both men and women, but the symptoms differ between the two groups. 

 

Men:

  • Burning after urination or ejaculation

  • Itching of urethra

  • Slight discharge from urethra

Occasionally, some men with trichomoniasis may develop prostatitis or epididymitis from the infection.

 

Just so you know, this STI is transferred through skin to skin contact, so Lets hope your masseuse doesn't have it, scratches her fanny and then tugs on your cock.

 

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I got a Spanish Inquisition after I went to the GP a while back about erectile dysfunction. At first the GP assumed I was in a relationship, then when I mentioned meeting people from the internet the 101 questions started. Questions including did I pay for sex (I said no since technically I paid for the company, but I don't think the GP believed me), am I gay, did I look at internet porn, did I look at internet ch*ld porn etc

 

Yes that's right. I go to the GP to enquire about ED and end up having the GP play the role of a cop and ask me if I do horrible things like look at ch*ld porn.

 

I did get a prescription to help my ED however. But on the downside this has really put me off going back to the GP about anything sexually related again. I suppose if I requested an STI test I would get another humiliating interrogation.

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Especially since you are wearing condoms even for oral, you shouldn't put yourself through this. Twice a year is probably enough unless you suspect something went badly wrong like a broken condom or have some kind of discomfort possibly caused by an STI.

 

If you had a bareback sex with someone then yes do test for everything with a quick finger print test otherwise why bother going through all that mentally. I've had similar going to the GP clinic "oh no you have a rash on your back you might have AIDS" and that was without even mentioning sex workers.

 

If you went to the Medhelp forums,  you would be told that you have no risk.

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