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Wg Appeal Not To Use Ee Girls

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I was with my regular girl yesterday and when I told her that I was going to London for the weekend, she appealed very passionately and earnestly to me to NOT use any EE girls, because they are in such desperate situations and do not do it happily. I wasreally surprised at her strength of opinion on this and I would like to know what others feel, especially other WG's and any EE WG's that may use this forum?

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Have been with two Polish girls in London.  One I can't comment on, punt was quite quick (and fun).  The other was clearly very very independent and happy.  I think your girl's comments are a bit of a generalisation.  I'm sure there are EE girls being trafficked, etc, but that doesn't mean that all or even most of them are.  Stick with independents and read the profiles and feedback carefully - you don't get a rating of 100+ at the purple site if you're just going through the motions.

 

Almost any week you can watch TV and see EE men and women in the UK either committing crimes (at one end of the scale) or being exploited for less then minimum wage (at the other).  In the middle, there are lots of EE people who are making a better life for themselves than they could at home.  (Poland, to name just one place, is a fairly strict Catholic country and a WG risks serious social disapproval.)

 

The most desperate situation many EE people are in is lack of money (especially back home).  So by punting with them you're probably doing something about that.

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I haven't yet hobbied, but a major consideration for me would be the willingness of the WG to be involved. Obviously it's done for money (as with any job) but I wouldn't want to be complicit in the mental distress of any other human. I don't know enough about the scene to comment on whether EE WGs present a higher risk of being coerced (whether by circumstance or pimps) than an British escort so am interested in others opinions.

On this note, this is also why I'm more drawn to the idea of a lady who has a settled private life (read more mature) and who works with a degree of 'enjoyment'. For me it would be for fun and I would hope that would hold true in part for the lady.

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Hmmm, without knowing the girl who knows if it was a genuine plea or some kind of sour grapes from the notion that EE girls are coming over here and undercutting prices?

I personally don't think you can state that all women from a  nationality or region are unhappy. Some are and some aren't. 

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I was with my regular girl yesterday and when I told her that I was going to London for the weekend, she appealed very passionately and earnestly to me to NOT use any EE girls, because they are in such desperate situations and do not do it happily. I wasreally surprised at her strength of opinion on this and I would like to know what others feel, especially other WG's and any EE WG's that may use this forum?

What she told you was a sweeping generalisation in reality, as ever it will depend on the individual EE WG.

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What she told you was very cheeky on her part.It is none of her business who you choose to punt with.

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I havent been doing this long,but so far all but one lady has been EE.Out of those only one was dodgy and i got out of there and reported the place,
Out of the rest,some had been over here for quite some time in other jobs,some were more recently over,one frequently travels back and forth.here to work and earn money,back home to relax and spend it.All were happy to chat about themselves,their lives and didnt seem at all unhappy or forced.
Youre regular lady is right,it does happen,across all tardes/work types,but to say all are.If youre worried i'd just say avoid the lower priced end of the spectrum

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Well, in my experience the EE ladies I have met seem to have been just as obviously happy with their choice of lifestyle as the other nationalities, including the English ladies.

 

I have met ladies from:

Russia (3), Romania, Poland (2), Hungary (2), Czech Republic, Lithuania, and Latvia (4).

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Have been with two Polish girls in London.  One I can't comment on, punt was quite quick (and fun).  The other was clearly very very independent and happy.  I think your girl's comments are a bit of a generalisation.  I'm sure there are EE girls being trafficked, etc, but that doesn't mean that all or even most of them are.  Stick with independents and read the profiles and feedback carefully - you don't get a rating of 100+ at the purple site if you're just going through the motions.

 

Almost any week you can watch TV and see EE men and women in the UK either committing crimes (at one end of the scale) or being exploited for less then minimum wage (at the other).  In the middle, there are lots of EE people who are making a better life for themselves than they could at home.  (Poland, to name just one place, is a fairly strict Catholic country and a WG risks serious social disapproval.)

 

The most desperate situation many EE people are in is lack of money (especially back home).  So by punting with them you're probably doing something about that.

Sorry hotdogburger, but the implication in your post is that agency girls are more likely to be trafficked than independents.

 

Where do you get this from?

 

Slightly over 50% of the punts I've done have been Central European (Polish and Czech) or Eastern European girls from the EE agencies in Central London.  No chance in hell any of these were doing their job against their will.  No way.

 

All the dodgy punts I've ever had have all been off Adultwork (not that I think that any of the girls I've been with were trafficked, I hasten to add).

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I havent been doing this long,but so far all but one lady has been EE.Out of those only one was dodgy and i got out of there and reported the place,

Out of the rest,some had been over here for quite some time in other jobs,some were more recently over,one frequently travels back and forth.here to work and earn money,back home to relax and spend it.All were happy to chat about themselves,their lives and didnt seem at all unhappy or forced.

Youre regular lady is right,it does happen,across all tardes/work types,but to say all are.If youre worried i'd just say avoid the lower priced end of the spectrum

I have not seen proof as in many convictions that its the lower end of the market where coerced EE WGs are. Again as ever it will depend on the individual WG. If that concerned a punter can avoid EE WGs and stick with Brits and/or Asians, although with the latter bear in mind they might be here illegally on a voluntary bond which itself is illegal.

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I have not seen proof as in many convictions that its the lower end of the market where coerced EE WGs are. Again as ever it will depend on the individual WG. If that concerned a punter can avoid EE WGs and stick with Brits and/or Asians, although with the latter bear in mind they might be here illegally on a voluntary bond which itself is illegal.

Not supprising conviction rates are low.Thats because what generally happens is when they are asked if the person is their pimp/forcing them they will more often than not say no to prevent anything from happening to their family back home.

Actually got to speak to someone who had been trafficked.When i asked why they didnt just dissappear/leave,turns out someone from when he was brought over did just that.Three of his immediate family back in China were killed.Now that was people being brought over for labouring/dvd selling etc.

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Not supprising conviction rates are low.Thats because what generally happens is when they are asked if the person is their pimp/forcing them they will more often than not say no to prevent anything from happening to their family back home.

Actually got to speak to someone who had been trafficked.When i asked why they didnt just dissappear/leave,turns out someone from when he was brought over did just that.Three of his immediate family back in China were killed.Now that was people being brought over for labouring/dvd selling etc.

I have no idea what generally happens myself as i havent the insight to know. I go on convictions which is proof, everything else relies on me trusting the word of a stranger which i dont just do. They might be telling the truth, but then again they might not, i wouldnt know them anywhere near well enough to tell.

 

What i do know is there are both punters and WGs that run down foreign WGs, i go on my own experiences and those i know, i have had many great punts with such WGs and never knowingly thought anything was amiss, of course it might of been without me knowing as it could with literally ANY WG including Brits who could be being coerced for all i would know, unless i am told i wouldnt necessarily know.

 

Personally i actively avoid Asian WGs nowadays as i dont like, agree or want to by chance punt with any that are on Bonds, the fact the bond might well be voluntary is obviously preferable to a woman being forced to be a WG, but i view them as wholly wrong as well as illegal, and hope the government continue to very severly clamp down on letting people from these countries in. Come here legally and above board or not at all is my view.

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I was with my regular girl yesterday and when I told her that I was going to London for the weekend, she appealed very passionately and earnestly to me to NOT use any EE girls, because they are in such desperate situations and do not do it happily. I wasreally surprised at her strength of opinion on this and I would like to know what others feel, especially other WG's and any EE WG's that may use this forum?

Honestly, I think she should mind her own and let you make up your own mind. Im surprised a fellow escort would make such a sweeping generalisation about other escorts especially one thats so unfair. The ee girls are just trying to earn a living the same as the Brit girls.  Yes some girls are trafficked, but I remember seeing somewhere that the highest trafficked nationality is 1st Kenyan, 2nd Chinese and these women are only known of by men of their own nationality in other countries, its hush hush to outsiders. 

 

I know there are a lot of guys though who are becoming disenchanted about the number of ee girls who are flooding aw as several guys have mentioned this to me lately, some are concerned for the reasons this lady gave and others are worried they will be scammed. I know a lot of ee girls though and they are all working of their own free will. 

 

You just have to go with your gut instinct, if someone can hardly speak a word of english then be wary if they have a well worded aw account, if someone speaks excellent english but when you arrive hardly understands a word you are saying then be wary too xx

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Not supprising conviction rates are low.Thats because what generally happens is when they are asked if the person is their pimp/forcing them they will more often than not say no to prevent anything from happening to their family back home.

Actually got to speak to someone who had been trafficked.When i asked why they didnt just dissappear/leave,turns out someone from when he was brought over did just that.Three of his immediate family back in China were killed.Now that was people being brought over for labouring/dvd selling etc.

So did you report this, via Crimestoppers if appropriate? 

 

You mention he, not she.  Are we to assume this wasn't then a working girl?  If not, is this 100% relevant?

 

Either way, what did you do about it?

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So did you report this, via Crimestoppers if appropriate? 

 

You mention he, not she.  Are we to assume this wasn't then a working girl?  If not, is this 100% relevant?

 

Either way, what did you do about it?

That one was a he.He'd been picked up by the police before and had kept sctum.One of his bossess had also been picked up and got away with it,again because no one would talk.In his case reporting was a moot point as nothing could or would be done.As for the relevence,it's because you seem to be saying trafficking is incredibly rare to being a myth due to low conviction rates.I'm just explaining why they could be so low.

In another case involving a lady i did however report it.

 

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That one was a he.He'd been picked up by the police before and had kept sctum.One of his bossess had also been picked up and got away with it,again because no one would talk.In his case reporting was a moot point as nothing could or would be done.As for the relevence,it's because you seem to be saying trafficking is incredibly rare to being a myth due to low conviction rates.I'm just explaining why they could be so low.

In another case involving a lady i did however report it.

 

The fact is no one knows how prevalent trafficking for sex is. What we have are the outcomes of Operation Pentameters 1 and 2 which didnt correlate with the figures ACPO at 2600 women or other bodies have used. Harriet Harridan used a completely cobbled together figure of 4000 women which has never been proved to be anywhere near accurate to get her bill through in 2009/10. Too many people with agendas and axes to grind for my liking.

 

One trafficked woman is one too many and traffickers should in my view be given mandatory life sentences.

 

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Virtually none of the foreign girls working in the sex industry are trafficked. I remember a police operation years ago which ended in failure, when they found no trafficked girls. EE girls can make a fortune working in the UK. That is a strong incentive to work as a prostitute, even if that wouldn't be their career choice if it weren't for the money - which counts as being trafficked anyway by UN standards. 

 

Foreign girls coming to the UK revolutionized the sex industry. I remember the awful service given by local girls a couple of decades ago. British girls now give good service because they have to if they want customers. If we hadn't had foreign girls coming to the UK, giving great cheap service, we would still have a poor sex industry. 

 

Naturally British girls would like to earn more for doing less. Your regular is just trying to put you off the competition. Some people are even able to persuade themselves of some falsehood if it benefits themselves.

 

Feminist professional man haters, and people who make a living from working "rescuing" girls, want to talk up the threat. But a truly trafficked girl is going to give the game away in no time flat. She will see x punters a day, any one of whom can tip off the police. Instant raid, and a loss of money for the traffickers. So much risk, so much more reward to find one of numerous girls who will do the job of their own free will.

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Naturally British girls would like to earn more for doing less.

You just answered the OP with yet another sweeping generalisation thats simply not true. Pretty pointless 

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Sounds like she just doesn't want you spending "HER" money on someone else ;)

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Sounds like she just doesn't want you spending "HER" money on someone else ;)

Mmm I agree tbh. 

 

At the end of the day there are good and bad in all nationalities, its down to the girl you pick, so pick carefully but dont limit yourself to one nationality on a hysterical assumption. Just read the frs, read the feedback and stick to the reported good ones. Saying that, we all know the guys who stick their necks out often find "hidden gems" and every good working girl had no feedback/reviews at one point xx

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I know some think ee girls brought service up and prices down, but there are other guys who think they brought standards down along with the prices. Its all down to personal experience really, I think its a bit of both. If everyone stuck to the type of girl they like and stopped slagging off girls they dont even ever visit (or in the case of wgs, even know) because of basic things such as nationality then this industry would be a friendlier place.

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I was with my regular girl yesterday and when I told her that I was going to London for the weekend, she appealed very passionately and earnestly to me to NOT use any EE girls, because they are in such desperate situations and do not do it happily. I wasreally surprised at her strength of opinion on this and I would like to know what others feel, especially other WG's and any EE WG's that may use this forum?

 

 

Seems like blatent jealousy to me, ignorance perhaps or a mixture of both...

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The fact is no one knows how prevalent trafficking for sex is. What we have are the outcomes of Operation Pentameters 1 and 2 which didnt correlate with the figures ACPO at 2600 women or other bodies have used. Harriet Harridan used a completely cobbled together figure of 4000 women which has never been proved to be anywhere near accurate to get her bill through in 2009/10. Too many people with agendas and axes to grind for my liking.

 

One trafficked woman is one too many and traffickers should in my view be given mandatory life sentences.

 

I agree whole heartedly with you on this.Youve got groups increasing the numbers,some decreasing,with no one actually having any idea how many cases are actually occuring.The theres the lack of support for the victims,no help from the countries theyre brought in for.In all its a shambles.

Back on the main topic,i do agree it sounds like the initial posters regular is trying to stop him spending his cash whilst his in London

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Virtually none of the foreign girls working in the sex industry are trafficked. I remember a police operation years ago which ended in failure, when they found no trafficked girls. EE girls can make a fortune working in the UK. That is a strong incentive to work as a prostitute, even if that wouldn't be their career choice if it weren't for the money - which counts as being trafficked anyway by UN standards. 

 

Foreign girls coming to the UK revolutionized the sex industry. I remember the awful service given by local girls a couple of decades ago. British girls now give good service because they have to if they want customers. If we hadn't had foreign girls coming to the UK, giving great cheap service, we would still have a poor sex industry. 

 

Naturally British girls would like to earn more for doing less. Your regular is just trying to put you off the competition. Some people are even able to persuade themselves of some falsehood if it benefits themselves.

 

Feminist professional man haters, and people who make a living from working "rescuing" girls, want to talk up the threat. But a truly trafficked girl is going to give the game away in no time flat. She will see x punters a day, any one of whom can tip off the police. Instant raid, and a loss of money for the traffickers. So much risk, so much more reward to find one of numerous girls who will do the job of their own free will.

Some very sweeping generalisations here.Virtually no trafficking.We'll just agree to disagree on that point.All Brit girls are lazy.You must be seeing the wrong ones.As for trafficked girls telling their punters whats happening.Thats not gonna happen for reasons stated somewhere above.Fear is a bigger incentive than you realise

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Fear is a bigger incentive than you realise

not even just that. Some girls see it as normal. I met one girl many years ago who told me she came to this country with her uncle to work in the sex industry when she was 14. She was hungarian. She was looking forward to her 22nd birthday because thats when she was going back home and her younger cousin was coming over with her uncle instead. She would have by then done her duty and earned her share of the family wealth so would be entitled to go home, say goodbye to the sex industry,  and finish her education whilst living off that family wealth then just get a normal job as a normal person and keep her wages. Its just what they do. Her older cousins had done it before her and they younger ones would take thier turn too. 

 

At the time I had not the foggiest about this industry or trafficking, I was shocked but too wrapped up in my own major personal issues at the time,  she was nonchalant in a shrug shoulders not bothered kind of way. Everyone had to do something to add to the pot, I dread to think what the boys did. 

 

No by the way I didnt report it to crimestoppers, as I said, at the time I was clueless. If that happened now obviously I would x

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