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Hiv In Thailand

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Kind of some interesting stats....almost 3% of sex workers have HIV in Thailand. Doesn't mean you get it if you have an encounter (particularly with protection) but lets face it, receptive OWO carries some risk. Still, nobody in this board claims they know anyone they know has ever contracted HIV with a sex workers.

Oh yeah...the majority of all new infections in Thailand are now through heterosexual sex.

http://hiv-stats.realclearworld.com/l/76/Thailand

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only 3 pct? I'm reading a book about Thailand at the moment and it mentions a prevalence (among sex workers) of 14 pct, in some regions in the far north even up to 70 pct. I was quite shocked by reading that.

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only 3 pct? I'm reading a book about Thailand at the moment and it mentions a prevalence (among sex workers) of 14 pct, in some regions in the far north even up to 70 pct. I was quite shocked by reading that.

Up to 70%? That sounds crazy, I would take those stats with a large pinch of salt.

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Up to 70%? That sounds crazy, I would take those stats with a large pinch of salt.

 

There's a big difference between sex workers servicing Thai men and sex workers servicing farang men.

 

found this:

 

I think it would be safe to assume that sex workers servicing Thai clients are much more likely to contract and spread HIV than those servicing farang customers. So when you hear numbers being thrown around like “X% of Thai sex workers are HIV positive” it doesn’t necessarily mean that that X% of girls working on Soi Cowboy or Nana are HIV positive.

For instance, according to the WHO:

However, problems remain. Infection rates among injecting drug users remain high at 20%-45% nationwide. And in rural areas, HIV infection rates among sex workers have increased. In 1997, 20% of sex workers in rural areas were HIV-positive compared with only 7% in Bangkok. To make matters worse, studies carried out in rural areas reveal that only 50% of men who visit sex workers consistently use condoms. And as risk behaviour increasingly shifts from commercial sex to unprotected casual sex, efforts will be needed to sustain reduced infection rates.

 

 

I know this is an old report but it demonstrates how using one infection rate across the entire country is flawed logic. Let’s say the combined total is 14% (since most of the population in Thailand is rural and places like Chiang Mai at one point had rates as high as 40%, I’m assuming the numbers skew to the high side). Saying you have a 14% chance of meeting an HIV positive sex worker in a brothel in Buriram is way too low and saying you have a 14% chance in Nana is double the rate for Bangkok as a whole.

Also, as mentioned before, even in the 7% Bangkok number there is no breakdown between sex workers who service Thais and farangs. I think it would be safe to assume that a Thai brothel is more likely to adopt the Thai casualness towards requiring condoms than would be a farang owned bar on Soi Cowboy. And seeing as that there are more sex workers working in the Thai sex industry than in the farang sex industry, again, assuming a 7% infection rate for your average Nana go-go is likely to be a huge overestimate.

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And then you read this and realize, it is happening, it's happening somewhat often and yes, to people from the UK traveling to Thailand for sex.

http://mobile.aidsmap.com/Substantial-number-of-HIV-infections-in-UK-born-patients-acquired-abroad/page/2256203/

Do you think these guys are just having unprotected vaginal (or anal) sex? Or is this occurring in bj bars or soapies too?

I wish they had statistics in like 'per act' terms....I always imagine the guys infected are like the stars in 'Street Meat' or some other degenerate brand of travel porn, but apparently it's happening more often on drunken stag do's. You bring that one home, guess what, life as you know it is over.

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I read a guide book several years ago and it also mentioned a very high hiv amongs sex workers although it didnt stipulate the difference between straight homosexual and hetrosexual encounters. It did though state that 49% of the sex workers were under age at that time (again it didnt stipulate male or female so I imagine a mix) according to whatever statistics. We all know you have to take a statistics with a huge pinch of salt so its up to the guys to make of it what they will x

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I read a guide book several years ago and it also mentioned a very high hiv amongs sex workers although it didnt stipulate the difference between straight homosexual and hetrosexual encounters. It did though state that 49% of the sex workers were under age at that time (again it didnt stipulate male or female so I imagine a mix) according to whatever statistics. We all know you have to take a statistics with a huge pinch of salt so its up to the guys to make of it what they will x

Yes Chloe a huge pinch of salt, was this guide book the Rough Guide to Thailand, and was the piece written by Harriet Harmen? X

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Yes Chloe a huge pinch of salt, was this guide book the Rough Guide to Thailand, and was the piece written by Harriet Harmen? X

Not in the least, I cant remember the brand but its a very well sold one, one of the main travel guide brands that do every country and sold in every whsmiths. 

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Fact is though that most sex tourists stick to the same old destinations in any given country, you here the same towns/streets mentioned over and over and over and over again in regards to thailand. As someone already mentioned I think, there are sex workers all over thailand that the travellers dont get to or get to see or even hear about or know exist, they aren't in the sex pot places, they arent advertised online or in magazines, they dont come out to try to drag you in when you happen to back pack past thier village,  none of you would know would you if there was a high rate of underage prostitution or a high hiv rate in areas that you dont frequent or hear about on the sex forums. You wouldnt know if the under age or hiv levels were high enough to knock the general statistics of the country way up even if the girls in the places you go are all over age and completely hiv free x

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Fact is though that most sex tourists stick to the same old destinations in any given country, you here the same towns/streets mentioned over and over and over and over again in regards to thailand. As someone already mentioned I think, there are sex workers all over thailand that the travellers dont get to or get to see or even hear about or know exist, they aren't in the sex pot places, they arent advertised online or in magazines, they dont come out to try to drag you in when you happen to back pack past thier village,  none of you would know would you if there was a high rate of underage prostitution or a high hiv rate in areas that you dont frequent or hear about on the sex forums. You wouldnt know if the under age or hiv levels were high enough to knock the general statistics of the country way up even if the girls in the places you go are all over age and completely hiv free x

 

Having occasionally visited a TG in her village over the past 30+ years, I can vouch for the social/sexual infrastructure that you refer to, Chloe.  I've also cycled along the Mekong and trekked in the tribal/minority areas of the far North.  So I am quite prepared to believe that as much as 90%+ of Thailand's prostitution is 'local', far from the view of tourists visiting Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket, as well as Chiang Mai and Samui.  It's been many years since I made love on a grass mat in a hut on stilts but one gets a somewhat different view of Thailand and TGs by doing so. :P  

 

As for HIV/AIDS statistics, I am not sure that there is any source that I would accept as gospel - whose statistics are comprehensive and complete, and whose analysis was completely objective - since I can't think of any source that might not start out with some sort of bias and spend someone's/everyone's money seeking to verify the accuracy of that bias.  In any case, does it really matter?  The potential risks are blindingly obvious, even with the most bland statistical findings - all that it takes is 'one' and 'once' - and the consequences of that 'once' are permanent. :eek:

 

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Having occasionally visited a TG in her village over the past 30+ years, I can vouch for the social/sexual infrastructure that you refer to, Chloe.  I've also cycled along the Mekong and trekked in the tribal/minority areas of the far North.  So I am quite prepared to believe that as much as 90%+ of Thailand's prostitution is 'local', far from the view of tourists visiting Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket, as well as Chiang Mai and Samui.  It's been many years since I made love on a grass mat in a hut on stilts but one gets a somewhat different view of Thailand and TGs by doing so. :P  

 

As for HIV/AIDS statistics, I am not sure that there is any source that I would accept as gospel - whose statistics are comprehensive and complete, and whose analysis was completely objective - since I can't think of any source that might not start out with some sort of bias and spend someone's/everyone's money seeking to verify the accuracy of that bias.  In any case, does it really matter?  The potential risks are blindingly obvious, even with the most bland statistical findings - all that it takes is 'one' and 'once' - and the consequences of that 'once' are permanent. :eek:

 

 

I did write out a long post last night, which I lost, don't you hate that? Grrrr! Anyway I agree a lot with what Tiggy says, true most prostitutes In LOS are for Thai men, and many of them don't wear condoms, but as I said before I'm wary to swallow any facts & figures published by some organisation, who may have a angle.

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