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In another thread it was suggested that it was better to go with a well researched independent girl over an agency booking.  Aside from photoshop delusions from the agencies what do you see as the pros and cons of Agencies vs Independent girls?

 

Also what are your best tips for researching Independents?  I've found the AW site, but I don't see much of the information offered as I do on many of the agency sites, e.g. maps, some query options, etc.  Also I'm assuming that the girl has the option of whether or not include a review on her AW profile, and I tend to see more agency FRs on Punternet and TER than Independents, so I'm not convinced I can get as good of a sample of reviews as I can with Agency girls.

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If you're here on a short trip to the UK, and don't mind spending £150+ a time, agency bookings will make lot more sense for you.

 

Indieland, which mostly means the confusing world of AW, makes sense for those with <150 budgets, those with time enough to wait for the girl to respond to email/voicemail, and those who avoid agencies as a matter of principle.

 

It takes time and experience - some of it inevitably disappointing - to learn your way around the snares and scams of Indieland. I always go through agencies that I have found reliable. Another advantage is that if the girl has to cancel, the agency can quickly set up your second choice, which an indie won't.

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In another thread it was suggested that it was better to go with a well researched independent girl over an agency booking.  Aside from photoshop delusions from the agencies what do you see as the pros and cons of Agencies vs Independent girls?

 

Also what are your best tips for researching Independents?  I've found the AW site, but I don't see much of the information offered as I do on many of the agency sites, e.g. maps, some query options, etc.  Also I'm assuming that the girl has the option of whether or not include a review on her AW profile, and I tend to see more agency FRs on Punternet and TER than Independents, so I'm not convinced I can get as good of a sample of reviews as I can with Agency girls.

 

Chris has summarised the pros and cons of each pretty well.  I would only add that the agency route is especially useful to the punter who wants to 'play the field', who is quite happy to see a different girl every time (though he may well return to one of the better ones occasionally) and does not mind dealing through an intermediary rather than speaking directly to the girl (though even agency girls have been known to give their mobile numbers to favoured punters).  And agencies especially serve the guy who has limited time to spare.  Learning the ropes of AW is an unending challenge and there's no point even getting started there if you aren't prepared to take your chances when you book an indie there for the first time, and to walk if your screening effort failed.  I never book an AW indie without speaking to her by phone first.  When I find a real 'winner' on AW, I tend to continue seeing her fairly often - having more than 2-3 regulars can empty your wallet quickly.  But for every hit, I usually have several near-misses and, on rare occasion, a complete dud.

 

All of the above not withstanding, my favourite 'regular' is a gorgeous Thai agency star who I was introduced to by Chris and WP.  I always look to the former for his analytical skills and the latter for his literary license - 'anal play' and 'licentiousness', as it were. :P

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Fortunately for me my first punt a few years back was at hod in sth ken and completely surpassed my expectations on every level, and continues to do so.  I did try and venture out via AW in Jan this year and arranged a meeting with a 25yr old size 10 lady who turned out to be nearer 40 and twice the size (walked for the first time).   Agency suits my time, my wallet, my descretion and aversion to risk where possible..  Also having a delightful maid in Rihanna is an added bonus. 

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Fortunately for me my first punt a few years back was at hod in sth ken and completely surpassed my expectations on every level, and continues to do so.  I did try and venture out via AW in Jan this year and arranged a meeting with a 25yr old size 10 lady who turned out to be nearer 40 and twice the size (walked for the first time).   Agency suits my time, my wallet, my descretion and aversion to risk where possible..  Also having a delightful maid in Rihanna is an added bonus. 

HOD SK is a Parlour not an Agency though.

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To me, its less about the girl, and more about the experience.

 

I enjoy the HoD girls, as they're friendly, sexy, and very good at what they do. I guess thats the benefit of some kind of quality control and accountability. However, I don't like being part of a production line of guys going in and out the revolving doors. I shudder to think how many guys a girl see's on a good day. and I'm just one of them. The girls, bless them, are brilliant about trying to create a temporary intimate experience, but ther reality is they will be recreating that with Joe Bloggs in an hour's time. If you're OK with that, then an Agency is excellent value for money.

 

Personally, I enjoy the feel of the Indie experience, where its much more personal, less rushed, and less like a busy highway. Its true, you might have 1 or 2 bad experiences, but once you have found an Indie girl or two, then for me its a much better overall experience. 

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To me, its less about the girl, and more about the experience.

 

I enjoy the HoD girls, as they're friendly, sexy, and very good at what they do. I guess thats the benefit of some kind of quality control and accountability. However, I don't like being part of a production line of guys going in and out the revolving doors. I shudder to think how many guys a girl see's on a good day. and I'm just one of them. The girls, bless them, are brilliant about trying to create a temporary intimate experience, but ther reality is they will be recreating that with Joe Bloggs in an hour's time. If you're OK with that, then an Agency is excellent value for money.

 

Personally, I enjoy the feel of the Indie experience, where its much more personal, less rushed, and less like a busy highway. Its true, you might have 1 or 2 bad experiences, but once you have found an Indie girl or two, then for me its a much better overall experience. 

As i posted, HOD is a Parlour not an Agency. Punters punt with the WG/s on the same premises as the maid/receptionist is based, and the owner always provides the premises for the WGs to work out of, unlike with some Agencies.

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HOD SK is a Parlour not an Agency though.

 

As Smiths has mentioned HOD SK is a parlour rather than an agency.  But I should clarify Chris's comments and my own, contrasting agency WGs v indie WGs - we both were referring to oriental (and mainly Thai) agency WGs rather to than the broad spectrum of punting alternatives in London.  In my own case, I have a reasonably good grasp of the oriental indie market here at present but my favourite oriental (Thai) WG happens to be an agency star.  I have begun branching out in my tastes and searchs in recent months, however, and am increasingly interested in both Indian and Ebony indies, as well.  With regard to these latter two groups, English fluency really is NOT a problem so it is easier for girls from these background to go indie.  (You will never find a Thai indie WG who had just arrived at Heathrow from BKK).  As a result, there are some Indian and Ebony indie stars to be found on AW and, to a lesser extent, on BackPage and other classified ad sites (including AceMassage).  Forget about reliable reviews or FRs on WGs from any of these sites - look to Punternet for reliable reviews but, even then, rate the rater before you get overly enthusiastic - how many FRs has he posted, how many 'don't's are posted along with his 'do's, etc.  In any case, at some point you have to make a 'go' or 'no go' decison - it's only 30 or 60 minutes, you are not going to miss any meals if it turns out that you were wrong - and plenty of FRS on agency WGs end up with 'not recommended', as well.  No two punters are alike, no two WGs are alike - so, unless she turns out to clearly be a B&S plant, get naked together and give it your best effort - if you expect to enjoy it, you probably will.  If you are going to be a sharp-eyed punting critic, you probably should look for another hobby in which to desport yourself. :)

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I would say overall agencies and have to now say I believe you get what you pay for so in London around £250 or £300 an hour depending on the agency gives the best chance of a good time.

 

Having discovered how to use GRIS I can now see there are a lot of fake profiles with photos taken from the www on aw, it's either that, or you can't see their face so you don't know whether you'll fancy them.  At least with agency photoshop photos you have an idea.  There are a few gems here and there on aw but hard to find.

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I would say overall agencies and have to now say I believe you get what you pay for so in London around £250 or £300 an hour depending on the agency gives the best chance of a good time.

 

Having discovered how to use GRIS I can now see there are a lot of fake profiles with photos taken from the www on aw, it's either that, or you can't see their face so you don't know whether you'll fancy them.  At least with agency photoshop photos you have an idea.  There are a few gems here and there on aw but hard to find.

I dont agree, what a punter pays has no correlation to how good a WG might be as its her attitude and honesty that defines that, not what she or her Establishment happen to charge. 30 years punting has taught me this, and i have paid £300 and £350 an hour and the WGs were no better in anyway than others i paid £100 an hour to. Correlating cost with good WGs is a VERY expensive mistake in my view, i would advise punters that doing their research using this site is the way forward, money can be saved and good WGs recommended.

 

HOD has already been mentioned on this thread although its a Parlour. Its very highly rated both on here and by FRs and costs £130 an hour, as long as a punter can get to them in London and they are convenient to him, thats all he would need to pay for a good punt with rated WGs. The most i have paid in recent years 121 is £180 an hour which was well worth it to me, i certainly wouldnt pay over £200 an hour for anyone though. Obviously what a punter pays is up to him, but i just want to inform newbies throwing lots of cash at WGs doesnt necessarily equal a good punt.

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This has always been a good topic for me. I have been punting for about 14 years and my opinion would be independents are the best. I will list some of my experiences.

 

1) Went to an agency and was asked to choose a girl on arrival - chose her and went into the bedroom and paid her for a 30min service. There was no conversation at all. She stuck a condom on me gave me a crap BJ and laid down. I got on top of her and started doing my thing and she had her head facing the clock which was very annoying. She had her bra on so I started to touch her boobs - she said that will cost another £20. So i just continued pumping until i shot my load. UNSATISFIED.

 

2) Have been to agencies and when your time is almost up someone starts banging on the door. UNSATISFIED.

 

3) Have seen agency girls - paid for a 30min service and all you get is a BJ and a crap shag. They dont really let you suck their boobs or finger them - if you try doing this they will laugh it off and pull away in a nice manner. SATISFIED & UNSATISFIED.

 

4) Have had BJs from agency girls which is what I paid for - they suck you off for about 5 mins then they start getting impatient. They start resting their head on their hand while sucking you then start attempting to wank you off. They will then attempt to get a condom so you can shag them and get it over with - NO THIS IS NOT WHAT I PAID FOR I PAID FOR A 30MIN OWO.

 

I have had great experiences with independents. Once they give you a good service you will start seeing them again and again. Two independents started giving me a discount and eventually I was having sex with them for free on their days off (bareback - a service they do not offer to customers) as I had built a good friendship with them. One of them even said she wanted to move in with me! Once you build a good relationship with an independent the sex becomes more intimate and you can do whatever and as many services they offer within the time you have paid for without clock watching or rushing.

 

Another important factor would be this - some agency girls charge as little as £40 for half an hour - these girls are more likely to have an STD because they will see more customers within that day and any Tom, Dick and Harry can afford £40 including a drunk from the local pub or a drug addict from the street.

 

Most independents offer a more high class service which is slightly more expensive. But atleast you can have the satisfation knowing they are clean because not everybody can afford their prices. Most independents I see normally charge about £70 or £80 for half hour (unrushed) and I always get my full moneys worth from them, Hope this has helped.

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Another good tip about using Independents would be to research them on the net. See if they are advertised on other sites. The more ads they have on different sites means the more good they are in my opinion, because they will have to pay for some of these ads. An escort who is listed on 1 site only means she does not get enough punts. Also customer reviews is very important.

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This has always been a good topic for me.

I wouldn't go on Mastermind with it just yet, though.

 

It's clear from your points 1 and 2 that you haven't had experience of agencies, those punts were in parlours.

 

It helps to be be aware there's a difference, which has been pointed out already by Smiths, post #7.

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I wouldn't go on Mastermind with it just yet, though.

 

It's clear from your points 1 and 2 that you haven't had experience of agencies, those punts were in parlours.

 

It helps to be be aware there's a difference, which has been pointed out already by Smiths, post #7.

Well atleast I have established a new title for the topic then which can be Agency vs Independent vs Parlour as its clear that you can go on mastermind.

 

I was only giving some advice from my experiences. And im sure the person who started this topic is old enough and wise enough to put his hand in his wallet and gather these experiences for himself.

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for me, the single biggest advantage is that in case of a last minute cancellation by the lady, the agency can usually suggest an alternate lady. Especially important if you are like me, and punting opprtunites are few and far inbetween. In the beginning, I had 2 cancellations from well reviewed ladies, and their suggested friends as replacements, who I had no choice but to accept at last minute, were not up to par.

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I have used both agency and independents but tend to go for independents more these days. Personally I think if you go for the right girl after doing some research you are usually guaranteed a good time. I found that with agency's I was never sure about what I was getting in terms of the services advertised being accurate and looks. There's also something a bit more personal about seeing an Indy. Just my personal opinion of course, there are great agency girls out there too but I've found Indys to be better overall.

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Well atleast I have established a new title for the topic then which can be Agency vs Independent vs Parlour as its clear that you can go on mastermind.

 

I was only giving some advice from my experiences. And im sure the person who started this topic is old enough and wise enough to put his hand in his wallet and gather these experiences for himself.

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Well atleast I have established a new title for the topic then which can be Agency vs Independent vs Parlour as its clear that you can go on mastermind.

 

I was only giving some advice from my experiences. And im sure the person who started this topic is old enough and wise enough to put his hand in his wallet and gather these experiences for himself.

I probably should let my above profound comment stand and quietly walk away from this thread (my only defense is that I just had a wonderful punt, accompanied by a nice little claret, and hit the 'post' button in error before commenting, which I have only now discovered).

 

In any event, I was about to comment that, however lovely the parlour maid and however inviting the atmosphere of the parlour, there simply is no point in including parlour maids or parlours in any discussion of a thread topic comparing 'Agency v Independent' escorts.  In either case within that topic, one sees the escort in the privacy of her own boudoir (or in a private hotel room), with access to her private bath/shower, and without another sole within sight or earshot.  The in-call room has been set up by the escort to provide safety and comfort for herself and to offer the most intimate of services and it often reveals something of the escort, herself, that can add to the atmosphere. :wacko:

 

I, too, prefer seeing indies but my favourite escort, bar none, is an agency girl.  I used to visit parlours prior to the advent of the internet and still consider them a great place to break into punting.

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Another important factor would be this - some agency girls charge as little as £40 for half an hour - these girls are more likely to have an STD because they will see more customers within that day and any Tom, Dick and Harry can afford £40 including a drunk from the local pub or a drug addict from the street.

Most independents offer a more high class service which is slightly more expensive. But atleast you can have the satisfation knowing they are clean because not everybody can afford their prices. Most independents I see normally charge about £70 or £80 for half hour (unrushed) and I always get my full moneys worth from them, Hope this has helped.

2 points, I know indy's who book appointments back to back all day every day they work.

So just because you don't see them or know about them doesn't mean you aren't one of 20 that day!

Second! WTH? On the STD issue, I have also known girls who have charged £500 + per hour and worked while she had a dose of the clap!

I know girls from soho walk ups who get checked religiously!

So I have no idea what your getting at, girls who charge £40 for half hour are no less likely to get checked than girls at £70.

In fact chances are higher they get checked more than the £70 for half hour girl who only does 4 clients a day!

Hygiene, cleanliness, and getting checks done is entirely dependent on how much the girl looks after herself. Nothing more or less!

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If you're here on a short trip to the UK, and don't mind spending £150+ a time, agency bookings will make lot more sense for you.

 

Indieland, which mostly means the confusing world of AW, makes sense for those with <150 budgets, those with time enough to wait for the girl to respond to email/voicemail, and those who avoid agencies as a matter of principle.

 

It takes time and experience - some of it inevitably disappointing - to learn your way around the snares and scams of Indieland. I always go through agencies that I have found reliable. Another advantage is that if the girl has to cancel, the agency can quickly set up your second choice, which an indie won't.

If a guy has the internet he can just as easily contact girls he wishes to see on his visit to the UK and set up advance bookings, that goes for parlour, agency and Indie...unless he is in cuba in which case he will have to set aside half a day just to connect to the first webpage 

 

 

In fact chances are higher they get checked more than the £70 for half hour girl who only does 4 clients a day!

 

Not so sorry. Every few months I would text all the girls that they needed to bring in up to day results, some brought them in automatically, some had to be pushed and pushed and pushed to provide them and then only on threat of being sacked if they didnt produce one. Its all down to the individual girl. You simply cannot state that a parlour girl is more likely to get checked than an Indie. We rely on our own reputations for our work not on agency phones which ring and ring and ring regardless. I think guys who see Indies tend to do their research more, they have too just to find the indies, with parlours once the guy knows the address he doenst even have to know who is on that day, he can just roll up and pick the girl who looks the best to him at the time. In these cases the guy has not researched the girl in the least, half the time they ask you your name again when you re enter the room. Saying that though an Indie once came to work at the same place as me years ago and she handnt even heard of any of the sti's we were discussing, we had to show her the leaflets. All down to the individual.

 

 

By the way...you just described me up there re the price and the average number of guys I see per day :huh:

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Anyway back on topic. Agencys as already said can immediatly provide you with plan b and c all wrapped up within the same bubble as can a parlour, if you fancy the other girls available that day that is.

 

Indies cannot provide you with plan b and c unless you track them down yourself.

 

At the end of the day if you want to speak to the girl you want to see first there are few parlours who will allow you to do this unless the girls are the ones who answer the phones. An indie should provide a more personal and tailored booking system in that confirmations of services prices and willingness are coming directly out of her mouth and not a receptionist making promises for someone else. They should also offer a more relaxed and personal feel and be far less rushed and quieter, calmer atmosphere. By that I dont mean you can automatically assume you will get more time than you pay for but it means that if you take a bit longer in the shower or getting dressed then no one is going to be knocking on the door for need of that room. You usually also have the option not to start and finish only in the bedroom but can have use of the lounge for a little icebreaker chat if thats what you wish for..sod that, you can even shag in the lounge if you want too lol. 

 

I can only speak for the girls I know personally though who I know have high standards x

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2 points, I know indy's who book appointments back to back all day every day they work.

So just because you don't see them or know about them doesn't mean you aren't one of 20 that day!

Second! WTH? On the STD issue, I have also known girls who have charged £500 + per hour and worked while she had a dose of the clap!

I know girls from soho walk ups who get checked religiously!

So I have no idea what your getting at, girls who charge £40 for half hour are no less likely to get checked than girls at £70.

In fact chances are higher they get checked more than the £70 for half hour girl who only does 4 clients a day!

Hygiene, cleanliness, and getting checks done is entirely dependent on how much the girl looks after herself. Nothing more or less!

Spot on about the number of punters a WG MIGHT or punted with, who knows is the answer, whether she is an Indie, Agency or Parlour WG. Only at Parties do i KNOW for a fact how many at least roughly (i dont sit and watch the whole time ;) ). Plus a smart WG will know some punters are put off by WGs who see loads of punters so they might under-estimate, i.e. lie to ensure they dont put these punters off.

 

Personally i dont care if its really 3 or 33 as long as she offers me a good service and smells yummy. Makes me chuckle when punters worry about this aspect, its paid sex not a vicars tea-party, a WGs job is to punt with punters.

 

As to STIs i trust no one but myself so i ensure i look after my own health by going to the GUM and dont just believe what a stranger or virtual stranger says. Who knows who really goes to the GUM and who doesnt. Once again its hardly good business sense to say you dont either to a punter at a punt or on here in my view.

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I have had a fairly even split between indies and agency girls over the last six months.  Previously thought agency girls (particularly thinking about Central London here) had the edge, but some great recent indie experiences and a two poor agency experiences have taught me otherwise.

 

I now think that both agencies and indies are great.  My main problem at the moment is that with so many lovely agency and indie girls to pick from, I have a shortlist of about 250 girls to work through.  When will I ever get the time for all of them? :unsure:

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Anyway back on topic. Agencys as already said can immediatly provide you with plan b and c all wrapped up within the same bubble as can a parlour, if you fancy the other girls available that day that is.

 

Indies cannot provide you with plan b and c unless you track them down yourself.

 

At the end of the day if you want to speak to the girl you want to see first there are few parlours who will allow you to do this unless the girls are the ones who answer the phones. An indie should provide a more personal and tailored booking system in that confirmations of services prices and willingness are coming directly out of her mouth and not a receptionist making promises for someone else. They should also offer a more relaxed and personal feel and be far less rushed and quieter, calmer atmosphere. By that I dont mean you can automatically assume you will get more time than you pay for but it means that if you take a bit longer in the shower or getting dressed then no one is going to be knocking on the door for need of that room. You usually also have the option not to start and finish only in the bedroom but can have use of the lounge for a little icebreaker chat if thats what you wish for..sod that, you can even shag in the lounge if you want too lol. 

 

I can only speak for the girls I know personally though who I know have high standards x

 

Once again, another insightful Chloe post.  I keep a fair number of indies mobile numbers in my phone (sourced from AW, both as posted and as received in response to an e-mail request) and I always check my 'address book' for other options in the same vicinity.  My Levitra pill is good for four hours and that gives me a bit of latitude! :P

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2 points, I know indy's who book appointments back to back all day every day they work.

So just because you don't see them or know about them doesn't mean you aren't one of 20 that day!

Second! WTH? On the STD issue, I have also known girls who have charged £500 + per hour and worked while she had a dose of the clap!

I know girls from soho walk ups who get checked religiously!

So I have no idea what your getting at, girls who charge £40 for half hour are no less likely to get checked than girls at £70.

In fact chances are higher they get checked more than the £70 for half hour girl who only does 4 clients a day!

Hygiene, cleanliness, and getting checks done is entirely dependent on how much the girl looks after herself. Nothing more or less!

 

Mate - if you lived where I was living then you would understand what im saying. Alot of the parlours near where i live charge as little as £40 per hour. These parlours are where all the local drunks and drug addicts go to get their sexual satisfactions and alot of them do carry STI's. The escorts that work in these places do not really care if their clients have STI's or if they are clean - or they would not be offering bareback services or CIM for such a small price. Im not trying to say that the escorts do not care about their health by no means - im trying to say their customers might not care about their own health which they can pass onto others.

 

These same men that visit these parlours also visit the red light districts near where i live and these prostitutes are drug addicts themselves. They dont care who they are satisfying as long as they are making their money to get their next hit!

 

So an escort that charges around £70 to £80 an hour will be expected to have better healthier clients - as not every drunk or drug addict will pay these prices.

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