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When you're fed up with the hassles of finding decent WGs, B&S etc of Punting in the UK, just be glad you don't have to contend with tax-wasting bolloxology like this from the 'Land of the Free'!! :unsure:

(AC is similar to Vegas, you can't throw a stone without hitting an Escort ;) )

Police Pose as Prostitutes, Arrest 7

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Some context to above.... there was both a Booze & a Porn convention at the AC Trump Taj Mahal for the ahem..420 w/e;

is it surprising the cops were out to bust a few punters!!! ^_^;):P

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The land of the free

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It gets better- Now every bloke in Florida wants to be undercover plod LOL:

 

Cops in Florida bare it all during massage parlor prostitution sting

Going undercover never felt so good.

Police in Florida did the full monty during an undercover prostitution investigation at a Hallandale Beach massage parlor, ditching their service weapons and baring it all to make a bust.

Cops arrested three women accused of giving more than shoulder rubs at the MemeX Massage Parlor.

At one visit, masseuse “Nikki” ordered the undercover officer to “turn over” after a 30-minute massage. She then “brushed her hand across my penis,” one officer wrote in his report and then “made an up-and-down motion with her hand,” pantomiming masturbation. The officer declined the offer and said, “Maybe next time.”

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Yet more recent hilarity from this side of the pond :P :

 

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The land of the free

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The Land of the free and The Land of Milk and Honey financing and helping  Islamic terrorists including Chechins  Fighting in Syria  to establish another  Islamic  State ..  In the meantime the  Cops back home are Very Busy looking for Punters Under the Beds,now   the Reds are Gone .

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The Land of the free and The Land of Milk and Honey financing and helping  Islamic terrorists including Chechins  Fighting in Syria  to establish another  Islamic  State ..  In the meantime the  Cops back home are Very Busy looking for Punters Under the Beds,now   the Reds are Gone .

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"Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Americans are learning more about the latest piece of major folly the United States has stumbled into in the Middle East, providing arms indirectly to Islamic extremists, considered to be our most important foe, in Libya and Syria.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opinion/editorials/mideast-folly-us-arms-find-their-way-to-islamic-extremists-665290/#ixzz2ReyRaQWp

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Eh.... fascinating- but whats that really got to do with Punting let alone american stings (the law here is v diff)?

(If you want to have a political go at the US, fire ahead, but at least pick a relevant thread or start one on topic).

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Eh.... fascinating- but whats that really got to do with Punting let alone american stings (the law here is v diff)?

(If you want to have a political go at the US, fire ahead, but at least pick a relevant thread or start one on topic).

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Cops wasting time and money setting up Sex  stings .. They should set  up stings to catch would be terrorists . .

I happen to know   about US  Law in relation to P4P  ,  that's why i posted  in the LMP thread a while back that i always paid cash upfront  at Lady Marmalade parties in London  ,much in the same way as i did  and do back in the US paying for Sex  . This was  Based on advise by  an Advocate .. 

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When you're fed up with the hassles of finding decent WGs, B&S etc of Punting in the UK, just be glad you don't have to contend with tax-wasting bolloxology like this from the 'Land of the Free'!! :unsure:

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You said it ."tax- wasting bolloxology "  

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Cops wasting time and money setting up Sex  stings .. They should set  up stings to catch would be terrorists . .

I happen to know   about US  Law in relation to P4P  ,  that's why i posted  in the LMP thread a while back that i always paid cash upfront  at Lady Marmalade parties in London  ,much in the same way as i did  and do back in the US paying for Sex  . This was  Based on advise by  an Advocate .. 

 

Interesting - an aspect of the question I'd never heard of before. Would our legal experts care to comment?

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Interesting - an aspect of the question I'd never heard of before. Would our legal experts care to comment?

 Just  a clarification on the above .   This was the advice at the time   re P4P  in The US ...

At LMP i just carried on doing the same .. 

Interesting - an aspect of the question I'd never heard of before. Would our legal experts care to comment

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Interesting - an aspect of the question I'd never heard of before. Would our legal experts care to comment?

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Yes it would be very interesting taking this question to ( Legalities and Legislation forum) , re  paying in the Uk  before or after sex.??

I've read some   very useful  legal advice and info  in that forum . 

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Trouble with paying at the end is that you will have some tosser that will have no money. I actually went to a party once where the said tosser claimed that he thought the "contribution" was voluntary!

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Yes it would be very interesting taking this question to ( Legalities and Legislation forum) , re  paying in the Uk  before or after sex.??

I've read some   very useful  legal advice and info  in that forum . 

 

IT makes no difference as punters are not breaking the law by paying for sex in the UK. In situations where they ARE breaking the law, for example paying an underage girl, it would also make no difference as the legislation says that it's illegal to pay or PROMISE to pay. It also defines payment in every conceivable way, so giving someone phone credits would be covered, discharging debts would be covered, as would payment to a third party. If paid sex was to become illegal I'm sure it would be defined using the same wording....for the record here's the legislation regarding paying an underage girl...

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/47

 

 

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If the USA legalised prostitution and cannabis can you imagine how many police resources would be freed up? And can you imagine if those resources were then used to catch terrorists and violent criminals?

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If the USA legalised prostitution and cannabis can you imagine how many police resources would be freed up? And can you imagine if those resources were then used to catch terrorists and violent criminals?

 

In the book "Superfreakonomics" they do a couple of interesting case studies of prostitution.  One is a high-end escort who find that almost no matter how much she charges, she gets the same number of punters.  At the other end, they studied street girls and found that those with a pimp made *more* money than those without.  Another fun figure was that 3 percent of tricks by street girls were freebies for police officers.

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Cops wasting time and money setting up Sex  stings .. They should set  up stings to catch would be terrorists . .

I happen to know   about US  Law in relation to P4P  ,  that's why i posted  in the LMP thread a while back that i always paid cash upfront  at Lady Marmalade parties in London  ,much in the same way as i did  and do back in the US paying for Sex  . This was  Based on advise by  an Advocate .. 

I know I started the OP, but to play devils advocate- (in the US) paying upfront/in a plain envelope or in a card marked gift frankly makes FA difference- if you get caught get a lawyer, you have a greater chance of escaping a formal conviction if you keep your mouth firmly shut but the payment aspect/timing wouldn't help you in any respect

 

If the USA legalised prostitution and cannabis can you imagine how many police resources would be freed up? And can you imagine if those resources were then used to catch terrorists and violent criminals?

I agree but in reality not all that much in terms of resources is actually diverted this direction and a portion of what is, appears valid- see below.

While it's a ridiculous situation, bottom line is that (outside of a few Nevada counties, Bunnyranch etc) selling sex is not legal over here.

 

In the book "Superfreakonomics" they do a couple of interesting case studies of prostitution.  One is a high-end escort who find that almost no matter how much she charges, she gets the same number of punters.  At the other end, they studied street girls and found that those with a pimp made *more* money than those without.  Another fun figure was that 3 percent of tricks by street girls were freebies for police officers.

Good chapter & interesting read. While street walking isn't going away anytime soon, in handful of years since Levitt/Dubners book was published, the use of the net to arrange US escorting has exploded to extent it's now estimated that a majority of such transactions are conducted via this channel.

 

 

Last month in northern New Jersey, the FBI was involved in a sting that led to 16 arrests...at first blush it appeared that the Feds were involved as some girls came from New York/Pennsylvania (interstate aspect, hence federal involvement)...but generally in the sex trade, the FBI doesn't get involved unless there's suspicion of an underage/trafficking aspect...and none of those girls were in that camp..which begs the question why Federal resources were used? (& of course on punting boards over here, people were pointing out how the FBI had monitored the older Boston Bombing brother but he slipped through etc) but of course if they're uncovered a major ring etc the sentiment would be very different..

 

Bottom line, for most part the US Cops ( be it local or Federal) aren't really much concerned with the sex trade- the bulk of stings target aspects as just mentioned or are driven by other businesses whining ( in cases of Massage parlours getting raided, sometimes there's an immigration angle to later). They have much bigger priorities to chase & in reality the resources currently utilized are a drop in ocean.

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I am not paying  for sex at all ,nor do i discuss anything sexual with the girl ,ie services ,length of sex session,etc .

What i am giving the money upfront  for is for a new cell phone ,some new clothes ,tuition fees , next birthday present and the list goes on . ..  I make sure i say it loud and clear ..   

.Two consenting adults get really frisky later on  and have sex ..

But, if police want to charge me , i would stay silent and call my lawyer . 

Had a lot of great advice from a non profit organization called CAPE , Citizens Against Police Entrapment ,based in Washington DC .,on Avoiding Police Entrapment .   .

http://www.cape-dc.com/Avoiding_Entrapment.html

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Makes an interesting reading and full of ideas re Police stings ..

But of course   each to their own .

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This is a sad example of US authorities doing a good job (over here, this evil scummy set-up is called a 'fast house'):

NY sex-slave ring broken up, 13 arrested in three states

 

I am not paying  for sex at all ,nor do i discuss anything sexual with the girl ,ie services ,length of sex session,etc .

What i am giving the money upfront  for is for a new cell phone ,some new clothes ,tuition fees , next birthday present and the list goes on . ..  I make sure i say it loud and clear ..   

.Two consenting adults get really frisky later on  and have sex ..

But, if police want to charge me , i would stay silent and call my lawyer . 

Had a lot of great advice from a non profit organization called CAPE , Citizens Against Police Entrapment ,based in Washington DC .,on Avoiding Police Entrapment .   .

http://www.cape-dc.com/Avoiding_Entrapment.html

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Makes an interesting reading and full of ideas re Police stings ..

But of course   each to their own .

Jojo- please don't take following in wrong way as it's clear your intentions are laudable, but several aspects of that sites' content ring alarm bells-

It's interesting & seems well intentioned (nobody likes the idea of Entrapment), but given that CAPE claims to be funded via a a 501©(3) nonprofit organization ( i.e. charity) & it's stated goals, it's rather odd that :

    •    The Avoiding Entrapment section clearly isn't written by a lawyer (I'm not a legal eagle but know enough to recognize certain factually flawed statements e.g. Cops getting naked in stings, while frowned upon & avoided for personal reasons does not prevent convictions nor provide an entrapment defence, I could give you at least 5 other similar examples from text but you get drift).
    •    The Scam Provider section seems like padding (& small point but check out the page name: Endiing_Entrapment.html)
    •    This outfit is soliciting donations but it's not a 501c itself...not illegal but something smells funny

I would go so far as to say I'm 85% sure this is in itself a scam set up to collect $$$

 

 


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This is a sad example of US authorities doing a good job (over here, this evil scummy set-up is called a 'fast house'):

NY sex-slave ring broken up, 13 arrested in three states

 

Jojo- please don't take following in wrong way as it's clear your intentions are laudable, but several aspects of that sites' content ring alarm bells-

It's interesting & seems well intentioned (nobody likes the idea of Entrapment), but given that CAPE claims to be funded via a a 501©(3) nonprofit organization ( i.e. charity) & it's stated goals, it's rather odd that :

    •    The Avoiding Entrapment section clearly isn't written by a lawyer (I'm not a legal eagle but know enough to recognize certain factually flawed statements e.g. Cops getting naked in stings, while frowned upon & avoided for personal reasons does not prevent convictions nor provide an entrapment defence, I could give you at least 5 other similar examples from text but you get drift).

    •    The Scam Provider section seems like padding (& small point but check out the page name: Endiing_Entrapment.html)

    •    This outfit is soliciting donations but it's not a 501c itself...not illegal but something smells funny

I would go so far as to say I'm 85% sure this is in itself a scam set up to collect $$$

 

 

 

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Hi Fred .   Thanks for your kind comments . I can assure you that i never donated anything to Cape ,nor one is obliged to.

But there are few things which their site gives food for thought,eg on how to deal with SWs ,i don't .or the following about doing a Sex film in  private "Legal in the eyes of the US Supreme court " and paying the girl $100 after the session .

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"he following letter was written by a man who responded to a Craigslist ad for "Casual Contacts" placed by a woman who wrote him (with her provocative photos) to say she would go to bed with him for a price. We offer his reply letter here as food for thought."

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I thought the said  Reply on page 1  was a good script ..

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