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The future of punting

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Now that the Government is well on the way to criminalising the Punter; potentially, we could unwittingly be enjoying the same status as rapists and murderers:mad:.

Many of us are law abiding folk who are not looking for trouble and want to stay on the right side of the law. The situation means, as I am sure most of us realise, we will have to be very careful when making our choices in future.

Have we got our strategies worked out for the future? Will you be continuing as before? And ladies how can you help?

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Will you be continuing as before?

Yes, I will carry on punting as normal. :D;)

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Now that the Government is well on the way to criminalising the Punter; potentially, we could unwittingly be enjoying the same status as rapists and murderers:mad:.

Many of us are law abiding folk who are not looking for trouble and want to stay on the right side of the law. The situation means, as I am sure most of us realise, we will have to be very careful when making our choices in future.

Have we got our strategies worked out for the future? Will you be continuing as before? And ladies how can you help?

Don't see why we have to be especially careful. As is always pointed out there are very very few forced women who are found. The last few years has yielded a handful. Most without a punter in tow i.e the girl escaped herself of there was no punter present when the place was raided. You'd have to be monumentally unlucky for the police to even have a chance of arresting you.

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Now that the Government is well on the way to criminalising the Punter; potentially, we could unwittingly be enjoying the same status as rapists and murderers:mad:.

Many of us are law abiding folk who are not looking for trouble and want to stay on the right side of the law. The situation means, as I am sure most of us realise, we will have to be very careful when making our choices in future.

Have we got our strategies worked out for the future? Will you be continuing as before? And ladies how can you help?

Also look at it this way. When's the last time you visited a girl and were caught in a police raid? When's the last time you visited a girl who you thought could possibly be forced etc.? How often do the police find forced girls?

What do you think the odds are that you'll visit a girl who's being forced at the exact time the police decide to raid the place?

relax and carry on punting as normal.

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Now that the Government is well on the way to criminalising the Punter; potentially, we could unwittingly be enjoying the same status as rapists and murderers:mad:.

Many of us are law abiding folk who are not looking for trouble and want to stay on the right side of the law. The situation means, as I am sure most of us realise, we will have to be very careful when making our choices in future.

Have we got our strategies worked out for the future? Will you be continuing as before? And ladies how can you help?

Well firstly, I believe anyone is easily traceable via their isp address and emails etc. so from the day it becomes law, 6upxxx will cease to be active.

I will unplug the computer and hope to obtain a new ISP address for the computer. I believe if it is unplugged for 10 mins or so, this happens automatically. If that is correct I will do this every few weeks.

Provided I am happy that I am not traceable through posts to the forum I will create a new callsign for the forum and a new callsign for putting up PFR,s. these will be different names.

When it comes to contacting a girl, be it via an agency or direct, it will be done by mobile phone only with a new sim card bought off the street. Again this will be changed every few months. I will favour places and girls that I already know and flats/hotels where they work individually or in pairs.

If I am raided in the flat, I will claim that I was recieving a massage only with no other services and stick to that storyline.

I will expect any "new girl" to remove all her clothes before discussion of services available in case of a police sting operation. I am assuming a fully nude massage will not be breaking the law.

Just some of my thoughts.

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I will continue to punt and hope if I am arrested I will have been performing outrageuos sexual feats at the time. Long Live Punting and the Gorgeous Girls who make it possible:)

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Well firstly, I believe anyone is easily traceable via their isp address and emails etc. so from the day it becomes law, 6upxxx will cease to be active.

I will unplug the computer and hope to obtain a new ISP address for the computer. I believe if it is unplugged for 10 mins or so, this happens automatically. If that is correct I will do this every few weeks.

Provided I am happy that I am not traceable through posts to the forum I will create a new callsign for the forum and a new callsign for putting up PFR,s. these will be different names.

When it comes to contacting a girl, be it via an agency or direct, it will be done by mobile phone only with a new sim card bought off the street. Again this will be changed every few months. I will favour places and girls that I already know and flats/hotels where they work individually or in pairs.

If I am raided in the flat, I will claim that I was recieving a massage only with no other services and stick to that storyline.

I will expect any "new girl" to remove all her clothes before discussion of services available in case of a police sting operation. I am assuming a fully nude massage will not be breaking the law.

Just some of my thoughts.

I hope that post was meant to be sarcastic.........

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Also look at it this way. When's the last time you visited a girl and were caught in a police raid? When's the last time you visited a girl who you thought could possibly be forced etc.? How often do the police find forced girls?

What do you think the odds are that you'll visit a girl who's being forced at the exact time the police decide to raid the place?

relax and carry on punting as normal.

I'll probably stand corrected, and I'm sure SaS will be along shortly to clarify, but I think the word is " controlled " not " forced ", which is a different thing altogether.

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Well firstly, I believe anyone is easily traceable via their isp address and emails etc. so from the day it becomes law, 6upxxx will cease to be active.

Yes, you can be traced through you ISP address but do you HONESTLY think the police will be interested in your punting activities. :D

Surely it is more important for them to trace guys who are paying to view child pornography sites ------- that should keep them busy for the next few years.

Maybe you should also refrain from crossing the road ---- just in case you get run over. :mad:

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I'll probably stand corrected, and I'm sure SaS will be along shortly to clarify, but I think the word is " controlled " not " forced ", which is a different thing altogether.

no, "controlled for gain" was the original phrase but it was changed to "forced, coerced or deceived"

Basically she has to be there either as a slave, or under some sort of debt bondage or in some way they have to prove she wouldn't have been there if she'd had a totally free choice.

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no, "controlled for gain" was the original phrase but it was changed to "forced, coerced or deceived"

Basically she has to be there either as a slave, or under some sort of debt bondage or in some way they have to prove she wouldn't have been there if she'd had a totally free choice.

Much obliged. I should pay more attention. :D

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Well firstly, I believe anyone is easily traceable via their isp address and emails etc. so from the day it becomes law, 6upxxx will cease to be active.

I will unplug the computer and hope to obtain a new ISP address for the computer. I believe if it is unplugged for 10 mins or so, this happens automatically. If that is correct I will do this every few weeks.

Provided I am happy that I am not traceable through posts to the forum I will create a new callsign for the forum and a new callsign for putting up PFR,s. these will be different names.

When it comes to contacting a girl, be it via an agency or direct, it will be done by mobile phone only with a new sim card bought off the street. Again this will be changed every few months. I will favour places and girls that I already know and flats/hotels where they work individually or in pairs.

If I am raided in the flat, I will claim that I was recieving a massage only with no other services and stick to that storyline.

I will expect any "new girl" to remove all her clothes before discussion of services available in case of a police sting operation. I am assuming a fully nude massage will not be breaking the law.

Just some of my thoughts.

Good stuff and i would do similar. Ultimately the police will be resposible in the main for enforcing any new laws, this is good news IMO for us punters because their previous record in for example stamping out street prostitution even though they know the where, when and who, and have CCTV is very poor. Plod are in the main incompetent in my experience, but shought not be underestimated.

Add to that the incredible manpower, resorces and cost involved in policing this area, where will the money come from. IMO they will raid some high profile places to instill fear into people and this is their most effective tool. I believe a significant number of punters will either give up out of fear or possibly move to seeing only Indies who will be the most costly for the police to monitor and police effectively.

If it were to be decided to throw srious resorces at this it is easy for them to be able to trace most individual punters using CCTV, using oyster cards etc to trace movements, car reg nos to track people. I just dont believe most if any police forces will assign these resources, time will tell.

Personally i will continue to punt whatever, i wont let the likes of HH and her cronies dictate how i live my life, they can go fuck themselves while i go and fuck WGs of my choice.:D:D:D

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I hope that post was meant to be sarcastic.........

not at all. I will take easy sensible precautions to try to avoid being outed as a punter. I will continue punting.

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not at all. I will take easy sensible precautions to try to avoid being outed as a punter. I will continue punting.

sensible? changing sims on a regular basis? re-assigning IP addresses frequently?

The only way you'll get done for this new offence is if you're caught in a random raid. You visit girl X. The police raid. She's being forced etc. You're nicked. They're not going to go tracing mobiles and IP addresses. Get a grip.

Go ahead and try the "massage" excuse, but I doubt it would make any difference. If you were a magistrate and a guy was caught, naked, with a naked girl who he had paid, would you be in any doubt as to what was going on??

Just carry on as normal....the law will be kicked out with legal challenges if they try to use it. It's use will be arbitrary as no client can take any measures to reduce significantly the risk of visiting a girl who is forced, decevied, threatened or coerced.

Avoid foreign girls? Who's to say an English girl isn't being taken advantage of?

Ask the girl? She'll never say anything that loses the client as she needs to keep on the right side of the pimp.

You're being denied the equal protection of the law. You can ask a girl for ID to prove her age. You can arrange your own car insurance or check with the insurance company before driving to avoid a "no insurance" rap. Also most people convicted of those offences would probably know they were breaking the law. This new law is expressly designed to only be used on ignorant people. If you DID know, a sexual assault or rape charge would be appropriate. So they're only going to be using this on people who had no idea......and you can't deter criminals who couldn't know of their offending.

That's the best defence. Tear the clause apart. It goes against fundamental principles of law.

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sensible? changing sims on a regular basis? re-assigning IP addresses frequently?

The only way you'll get done for this new offence is if you're caught in a random raid. You visit girl X. The police raid. She's being forced etc. You're nicked. They're not going to go tracing mobiles and IP addresses. Get a grip.

Regarding mobile phones ??

How can they trace a pay-as-you-go mobile phone if you have not bothered to register it. :D:confused:

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Regarding mobile phones ??

How can they trace a pay-as-you-go mobile phone if you have not bothered to register it. :D:confused:

well they can't, they could work out roughly where you were if they spent a fortune. But only roughly. The man's paranoid. That's what I was trying to put across. I think he's worried that if he's caught with a sim he's had ages they'll link it with calls to escorts over a long period and place him somewhere that a trafficked girl was working.....you need to relax a bit and understand just how overworked the vice squad is with paedophiles and traffickers etc.

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That's the best defence. Tear the clause apart. It goes against fundamental principles of law.

Very easy for you to say. The cost of doing so will be prohibitive for the majority.

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Use the law to defeat the law.

A full time (or part time) WG should register as self employed using such job titles as Escort, Companion, Relationship Therapist and pay income tax and NI contributions on a good proportion of her income. Expenses such as condoms, lubricant and if at times working in a parlour, facility hire fees with a receipt from the parlour can all be claimed as valid business expenses. Keeping a record of all declared income and all outgoing expenses is easily done, you can get a standard business daily cash flow book from high street stationery stores.

Should you then be caught with a client in a raid you can then prove very easily that you are not being forced or coerced in anyway whatsoever and that as a self employed business woman you are providing a relationship therapy session that includes sexual therapy treatment.

The fact that you will be paying income tax and NI contributions from your registered self employment would make it very difficult for any legal proceedings against you or your client to be able to succeed as in effect the Inland Revenue and National Health Service could then be charged with in effect 'pimping'.

Given these details any decent solicitor would be able get any charges against you and your client thrown out before it even went to court.

One more comment for punters, steer clear of eastern European girls and girls from the far east as they are likely to have a boy friend or someone in the background who one way or another will benefit from their activities, so the forced or coerced scenario can very easily be proved and you will be charged.

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The future is more parlours will close increasing street prostitution. This will put more wgs in danger. The police only have so much resource and they will only enforce checks in red light areas. If street wgs 'twig' they may mingle with the general public than how are they going to police that.

Guys will be chatting up more girls in lapdancing clubs for extras and Chinese Herbal shops will probably offering more than a HE.:D

Not forgetting those who go to Thailand were the girls are sometimes 'persuaded' by the families to enter this profession. How do the police bring charges in that case? Go on an expense paid investigation to Thailand?

Once again this law demonstrates that mps' should only do 8 years stints and get a proper job like cleaning toilets.

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not at all. I will take easy sensible precautions to try to avoid being outed as a punter. I will continue punting.

Don't forget to delete your cookies too 6up as this is another popular way of tracing a computer.

On a lighter note, you may also like to purchase a trilby, a raincoat, a looking glass and a copy of The Times with two holes cut in it for peering through as you approach the front door with your little attach

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Use the law to defeat the law.

A full time (or part time) WG should register as self employed using such job titles as Escort, Companion, Relationship Therapist and pay income tax and NI contributions on a good proportion of her income. Expenses such as condoms, lubricant and if at times working in a parlour, facility hire fees with a receipt from the parlour can all be claimed as valid business expenses. Keeping a record of all declared income and all outgoing expenses is easily done, you can get a standard business daily cash flow book from high street stationery stores.

Should you then be caught with a client in a raid you can then prove very easily that you are not being forced or coerced in anyway whatsoever and that as a self employed business woman you are providing a relationship therapy session that includes sexual therapy treatment.

The fact that you will be paying income tax and NI contributions from your registered self employment would make it very difficult for any legal proceedings against you or your client to be able to succeed as in effect the Inland Revenue and National Health Service could then be charged with in effect 'pimping'.

Given these details any decent solicitor would be able get any charges against you and your client thrown out before it even went to court.

One more comment for punters, steer clear of eastern European girls and girls from the far east as they are likely to have a boy friend or someone in the background who one way or another will benefit from their activities, so the forced or coerced scenario can very easily be proved and you will be charged.

What are you on about? The woman wouldn't have to provide tax returns to prove anything. If she says she's not being forced, coerced etc. then that's that. The police aren't going to unilaterally declare someone forced when she's sat there saying she's doing it of her own free will.

Secondly as for avoiding EE girls, you may be correct that most girls recued would be in this category but it's unreasonable of the law to expect an entire section of society - an entire ethnic group - to be avoided because some may be forced. That's one of the reasons this law will fail miserably. You're entitled to visit prostitutes, you're entitled to visit Poles, Russians, Thais and whoever. But to do so carries an inherent and un-mitigatable risk of arbitrary arrest. An English girl could be forced by a boyfriend or whoever. You've got no method to check her status. You can't go about your lawful business without risk of randomly being told "oh dear, you do know her boyfriend in Poland who you've never met or heard of made her come here don't you?"

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it very difficult for any legal proceedings against you or your client

It never has been illegal for a prostitute to be, for the want of a better word, "pimped", the new legislation does not make it illegal for a prostitute to be "pimped", nor does it change the legal status of a prostitute one iota.

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It never has been illegal for a prostitute to be, for the want of a better word, "pimped", the new legislation does not make it illegal for a prostitute to be "pimped", nor does it change the legal status of a prostitute one iota.

Just to make the above clear, there is no offence (including the new legislation) that a prostitute can be charged with if he/she is "pimped".

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Well firstly, I believe anyone is easily traceable via their isp address and emails etc. so from the day it becomes law, 6upxxx will cease to be active.

I will unplug the computer and hope to obtain a new ISP address for the computer. I believe if it is unplugged for 10 mins or so, this happens automatically. If that is correct I will do this every few weeks.

Provided I am happy that I am not traceable through posts to the forum I will create a new callsign for the forum and a new callsign for putting up PFR,s. these will be different names.

When it comes to contacting a girl, be it via an agency or direct, it will be done by mobile phone only with a new sim card bought off the street. Again this will be changed every few months. I will favour places and girls that I already know and flats/hotels where they work individually or in pairs.

If I am raided in the flat, I will claim that I was recieving a massage only with no other services and stick to that storyline.

I will expect any "new girl" to remove all her clothes before discussion of services available in case of a police sting operation. I am assuming a fully nude massage will not be breaking the law.

Just some of my thoughts.

It HAS become law already, as of midnight yesterday, you'd better erase all the traces that you have ever existed asap!

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