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Is It An Independant Or A Parlour? Who Knows

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I was wondering if any of you found the same issue as I have been having recently.

My preference is independent girls, I really don't like parlours or shared houses firstly because it 'makes me uncomfortable but I have also been under the impression that its not entirely legal (correct me if I am wrong) to go somewhere where there are more then 2 girls working

Over the last 6/9 months when I call up girls and ask if they are indies or if there is a choice and they tell me it's just them and then I go and find 3-4 girls at the same address.

This seems to occur in the Chinese establishments and also with the ee girls.

Why can't people just be upfront

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Firstly its illegal for the ladies to be sharing a house not you for visiting them.Secondly where are you finding these girls?Are you reading their adverts properly?Are you going to see ladies that have reviews etc?If on finding that the lady has not been honest are you still staying or are you leaving?

Last of all you have probably seen indies who do share and you won't have been aware of it.If a lady is advertising as an indie and you ask her if there are other girls there then quite possibly she is not going to tell you that.For all she knows you could be the police or whiever.

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It's not illegal to work or punt in a brothel or parlour, or a shared flat, the only person who can get in trouble is the person on the lease, or management.

Unless the girls are trafficked in which case your fucked! And not in the way you intended to be.

All the scaremongering is rediculous.

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I was wondering if any of you found the same issue as I have been having recently.

My preference is independent girls, I really don't like parlours or shared houses firstly because it 'makes me uncomfortable but I have also been under the impression that its not entirely legal (correct me if I am wrong) to go somewhere where there are more then 2 girls working

Over the last 6/9 months when I call up girls and ask if they are indies or if there is a choice and they tell me it's just them and then I go and find 3-4 girls at the same address.

This seems to occur in the Chinese establishments and also with the ee girls.

Why can't people just be upfront

Its cheaper to rent one premises and either a group of WGs share the rent or a pimp pays the rent is the why, as you say its a common occurence with EE WGs in my experience and Asians.  As has been said its the owner and any staff that actively help run a brothel that are breaking the law, not the punter or WGs, unless it was proved the WGs were underage, being coerced or been trafficked in which case the punter could be in deep shit. What these WGs/pimps rely on is the punter staying to punt anyway when he finds out its a brothel.

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It's a tricky one. I know many clients are nervous at the idea of going somewhere with someone else present, however if you ask 'Will you be alone?' it it's likely to freak a lone worker out and they won't see you. 

 

Brothels in the traditional sense I would have thought were easier to work out and the ones more likely to be raided, but this in the whole scheme of things is rare. However, a group/couple of Indie girls working together whilst legally  makes it a brothel are unlikely to be raided. The police have better things to do and unless there are complaints from neighbours are unlikely to go near.  Anyway, if you were caught up in a raid you'd be sent home and not arrested unless teh girls turned out to be trafficked or underage. 

 

I think most escorts are aware many clients don't like the idea of another person being present so  a professional set up would mean you don't see or hear anyone else in another room. 

 

If the service you have had has been good then I wouldn't worry about it and try to enjoy your bookings or ask for recommendations for someone local to you who doesn't have people around (or at least they don't let you realise there are people around!) 

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what is the definition of "trafficked"?

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Legally, "trafficking",means moving people about to work as prostitutes. The client isn't held responsible for this.  What implicates a client legally is if someone has been being forced or coerced to work as a prostitute (whether the client knew it or nor, or made efforts to find out.) 

 

 The rights sheet from the English Collective of Prostitutes explains it:

 http://prostitutescollective.net/2012/05/03/know-your-rights-%E2%80%93-a-z-for-sex-workers/

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I really don't like parlours or shared houses firstly because it 'makes me uncomfortable but I have also been under the impression that its not entirely legal (correct me if I am wrong) to go somewhere where there are more then 2 girls working

 

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This seems to occur in the Chinese establishments and also with the ee girls.

Why can't people just be upfront

 

 

Legality! - It is NOT (repeat NOT) illegal for the punter to visit a brothel, unless, of course, the lady is not there of her own choice (to paraphrase) which, moving on to your second point, is quite often the case with Chinese establishments,

 

and,

 

EE girls don't come over to UK to make us happy as a career, but for a few months at a time - is it in any way surprising (or, indeed wrong) if they share a house or flat? In the EE case the girls may well each be an indie. Chinese often have minimal English, and, in any case, pretty well, however willingly they have chosen to go "on the game"  are in the eyes of the law trafficked, and usually have to pay off their snake-head, who, likely as not, provides the room in a flat.

 

To avoid your difficulty, stick to reliable British independant ladies - they speak the language, so can find their own working premises (if they don't work at home) and they will understand what you want of them.

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In general, this seems to me to be rather unfavourable in respect of EE ladies.

 

Every one I have met has been independent and articulate, even if many are on the books of agencies: 

 

Stella / Tania / Debbie / Roxxy / Nataly / Valery / Natalie-Love  / Cherry / Platinum Cindy / Julia of Maxes.

 

Tania has retired. Debbie was her flat-mate and not as fun as the others, by some way.

 

The others are just great, with good English, interesting to talk to and with great enthusiasm.

 

Julia is reappearing fairly regularly now and her prices are forecasted to rise in August, so see her soon!

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I have nothing against EE girls, in fact some of my best punts have been with them, it's just a frustrating observation that keeps happening.

I appreciate girls may be nervous with a question of 'are you alone' but I don't put it that way, I will generally ask if there is a choice of girls and then they say no, when you get there you are given a choice. Also what's the point of writing on your profiles independent when they are not

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I have nothing against EE girls, in fact some of my best punts have been with them, it's just a frustrating observation that keeps happening.

I appreciate girls may be nervous with a question of 'are you alone' but I don't put it that way, I will generally ask if there is a choice of girls and then they say no, when you get there you are given a choice. Also what's the point of writing on your profiles independent when they are not

When you say you are given a choice,is the lady you originally went there to see actually there?

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what is the definition of "trafficked"?

 

I don't think that you have to worry about the legal definition of "trafficked" in the SOA2003 unless you are proposing to intentionally arrange or facilitate the travel of a prostitute.

 

For the purposes of section 53A (introduced in April 2010) it's an offence to pay or promise to pay for the sexual services of a prostitute subjected to exploitative conduct ie. force, threats, coercion or deception. The word "trafficked" is not mentioned in the section.

 

Surprisingly I've still not come across a single case reported in the media of anyone being convicted in court of that offence since it was introduced over 3 years ago.

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I don't think that you have to worry about the legal definition of "trafficked" in the SOA2003 unless you are proposing to intentionally arrange or facilitate the travel of a prostitute.

 

For the purposes of section 53A (introduced in April 2010) it's an offence to pay or promise to pay for the sexual services of a prostitute subjected to exploitative conduct ie. force, threats, coercion or deception. The word "trafficked" is not mentioned in the section.

 

Surprisingly I've still not come across a single case reported in the media of anyone being convicted in court of that offence since it was introduced over 3 years ago.

 

I gave a WG a lift home once. Could I have been trafficking?  :ph34r:

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I gave a WG a lift home once. Could I have been trafficking? 

 

No, but if you'd given her a lift to a brothel then you probably would have been - section 58 SOA 2003.

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I have nothing against EE girls, in fact some of my best punts have been with them, it's just a frustrating observation that keeps happening.

I appreciate girls may be nervous with a question of 'are you alone' but I don't put it that way, I will generally ask if there is a choice of girls and then they say no, when you get there you are given a choice. Also what's the point of writing on your profiles independent when they are not

Its the hook to reel you in. They know some guys only like to see indies and once you are there they hope you think with your cock and take your pick. Doesnt make much sense to me either as they are chucking away as many as they are getting in, when they say "no" they guys who want a choice will not go.

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