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Today I booked a girl for a B2B massage with HE, which I like to do from time to time if I'm feeling like being pampered and not working too hard. It wasn't a great session, only 15 mins of B2B in the hour, the rest just distracted half hearted massage. So I wrote some constructive feedback to the agency. I've used the agency many times before and have almost always had a really good experience.

 

Well tonight the agency contacted me, offered me a discount on my next booking, and said they had fired the girl as they had bad feedback on her before. Now I feel terrible for complaining, this girl has lost her job. She wasn't rude or anything like that, but just didn't put much effort in and didn't actually provide what I'd paid for ultimately. I did make some positive comments as well about her, she was actually sweet and pretty and friendly. My aim was to point out some areas where maybe she needs more support or advice or whatever.

 

So now I feel like maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Maybe I'm being too sensitive but I can't stop thinking about her now, she is a real person who is trying to make a living here and now she's got no income partly because of me :(

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Don't worry about it you were just giving constructive feedback.  Hopefully she will learn from this and either get another job  more suitable or learn from her mistakes.  I'm sure she will have received feedback from her previous massages etc and clearly didn't act on it, sometimes we have to learn the hard way in life.  

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Find something else to feel bad about - like buying clothes made in Bangladeshi sweatshops by kids.

Anyway I doubt if they fired her.

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Today I booked a girl for a B2B massage with HE, which I like to do from time to time if I'm feeling like being pampered and not working too hard. It wasn't a great session, only 15 mins of B2B in the hour, the rest just distracted half hearted massage. So I wrote some constructive feedback to the agency. I've used the agency many times before and have almost always had a really good experience.

 

Well tonight the agency contacted me, offered me a discount on my next booking, and said they had fired the girl as they had bad feedback on her before. Now I feel terrible for complaining, this girl has lost her job. She wasn't rude or anything like that, but just didn't put much effort in and didn't actually provide what I'd paid for ultimately. I did make some positive comments as well about her, she was actually sweet and pretty and friendly. My aim was to point out some areas where maybe she needs more support or advice or whatever.

 

So now I feel like maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Maybe I'm being too sensitive but I can't stop thinking about her now, she is a real person who is trying to make a living here and now she's got no income partly because of me :(

Who knows what the reason is that she no longer gets work off them, i wouldnt just take an Agencies word myself. How i see it is the idea of a review and/or giving forum feedback on a WG is to give an honest assessment of the punters experience with her, be that good or bad. What happens following that isnt the punters responsibility, its the WGs and/or her Establishments as i see it. Offer good service all the time and hopefully barring fake feedback there would only be good. However good or bad that feedback is it could help other punters and that is a function a punting forum can offer of course, and is in existence to do.

 

The same principle applies in many industries where you can give internet feedback, hotels for example and restaurants, do they immediately fire staff following a bad review or just have a word, offer support and training.

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  Don't worry about her, .   she just changes her name and continues in work  . But would have been better to have told the girl face to face  that she dissapointed you  .  As you would in a restaurant when you called the waiter over .   As a regular with that agency you deserved a freebie IMO .

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Today I booked a girl for a B2B massage with HE, which I like to do from time to time if I'm feeling like being pampered and not working too hard. It wasn't a great session, only 15 mins of B2B in the hour, the rest just distracted half hearted massage. So I wrote some constructive feedback to the agency. I've used the agency many times before and have almost always had a really good experience.

 

Well tonight the agency contacted me, offered me a discount on my next booking, and said they had fired the girl as they had bad feedback on her before. Now I feel terrible for complaining, this girl has lost her job. She wasn't rude or anything like that, but just didn't put much effort in and didn't actually provide what I'd paid for ultimately. I did make some positive comments as well about her, she was actually sweet and pretty and friendly. My aim was to point out some areas where maybe she needs more support or advice or whatever.

 

So now I feel like maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Maybe I'm being too sensitive but I can't stop thinking about her now, she is a real person who is trying to make a living here and now she's got no income partly because of me :(

 

I hope this would be a 100% discount as the agency have them self admitted she was no good.

 

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Did you set out to get her sacked?.....

 

Agebcy's are just as good as the people they employ, and if the lady does not come up to the level they require then yes she will be let go, and considering you were not the first guy to complain, I see this as the correct thing to do.

 

If it ranckles with you, dont accept the offer of a discount, tell the agency you would rather they train their staff better.

 

Would you feel happy kniwing the lady was going to other appontments giving out a half hearted massage, it seems that she didnt have yourself at the front of her mind. despite that was why you paid what you did.

 

You have done the right thing JulianC, Agency's are always advertising for new staff, im sure like Smiths said, you gave an honest review so what happens next is not your problem.

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. But would have been better to have told the girl face to face that she dissapointed you .

I only see indies so I'm walking in the dark here really. I've always left feedback if I've had a good time. If I haven't enjoyed myself and therefore have no intention of going back then more often than not I don't leave feedback. But I would never tell the indie to her face that I thought seeing her had been a waste of time.

The difference here is that I think I would have either walked away and said nothing or told the girl face to face (politely and nicely) that I wasn't happy. Before the end of the hour. That would give her an opportunity to sort it out and have you come back. She may not have realised. If you had said something it would perhaps have given her the idea to ask advice. But I don't think I would have written to the management because I know from bitter experience that no matter how you word your constructive advice etc it will probably end in tears.

Sorry to put a downer on your good intentions and remember that's only my opinion.

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Thanks for all your thoughts guys, it's appreciated.

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JulianC,

Her agency may have more complaints about her than just yours. If one client is complaining, I would find it strange when someone is fired. If there are more clients, the less strange I find it.

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In the opening post, JulianC said they told him that they have had bad reports about her.

 

The fault lay with the agency, they knew about the reviews and still sent her to visit someone.

 

Its called covering their back, giving a discount is their way of admitting their guilt.

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I only see indies so I'm walking in the dark here really. I've always left feedback if I've had a good time. If I haven't enjoyed myself and therefore have no intention of going back then more often than not I don't leave feedback. But I would never tell the indie to her face that I thought seeing her had been a waste of time.

The difference here is that I think I would have either walked away and said nothing or told the girl face to face (politely and nicely) that I wasn't happy. Before the end of the hour. That would give her an opportunity to sort it out and have you come back. She may not have realised. If you had said something it would perhaps have given her the idea to ask advice. But I don't think I would have written to the management because I know from bitter experience that no matter how you word your constructive advice etc it will probably end in tears.

Sorry to put a downer on your good intentions and remember that's only my opinion.

 

 

 

   I don't quite get the difference here , gibbs  . You would not give a bad review on an indie  but you would for a parlour girl  ?    Punters should complain more , is my thoughts here then maybe everyone would get a better service . Just walking away and doing nothing helps no-one .

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OP has nothing to feel terrible about if he gave an honest account of his experience. Not so long ago I did something similar about an FS girl at a London parlour. She disappeared soon after, and thank God for that! I had a couple of PMs from other punters who had had similar experiences with her. Come on, Julian, man up (and this is a fluffy talking)! You spent your hard earned dosh and got a poor service. "She's a real person who is trying to make a living" Yes, but she's not trying hard enough. And you're a real person too.

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I don't quite get the difference here , gibbs . You would not give a bad review on an indie but you would for a parlour girl ? Punters should complain more , is my thoughts here then maybe everyone would get a better service . Just walking away and doing nothing helps no-one .

As I said I only see indies and that is entirely due to the comments that have been made on this forum by both punters and WG's.

Did you read my post standing on your head?

If I can be specific. An indie doesn't get the sack because she gets a bad report. This bad report got the girl sacked. I wouldn't want to be responsible for getting any parlour girl the sack no matter how bad the service. As has been said on here a few times it's called punting i.e. wgen you punt you take a chance on winning or losing. If you lose that's too bad. Have a cry and go home.

Other men might be quite happy to get a girl the sack. That's up to them it's not me. I've had a handful of crappy punts with indies. So what. It's not nice to hand out £100 - £150 and then think that you might have shoved it down a drain but that's the way it is sometimes.

Apparently the parlour owner(s) had received bad reports from other clients. Don't they think that they have a responsibility to make sure that the customer gets his moneys worth? They can't refuse to acknowledge their responsibility by simply sacking the staff.

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OP why are you seeking validation that you did nothing wrong, no matter how much people coo that ooo its not your fault etc the end result is still the same, the girl lost her job. If the girl is sacked she is sacked. You clearly couldnt have been the first person who complained so its not all on your head but yes, you possibly sealed the coffin with yours so that is on your head. Saying that if she was giving a decent service no one would have complained in the first place so the ultimate responsibility for her sacking rests on her own head. 

 

I had some complaints once about a certain girl, I had a chat with her, then she went and did the same thing on the same day later, I sacked her, it was a sackable offence the first time around let alone the third wether on the same day or not. The guy then came in a few weeks later asking to see her, I told him she had been sacked. He looked crestfallen and started apologising. I told him to stop apologising, if he was that bothered he wouldnt have complained in the first place, complaints have consequences but at the end of the day she broke the rules and I was glad it was brought to my attention.

 

Im sorry but making a complaint then feeling guilty for the consequences is pretty pointless...man up, you will just have hit the final nail, you wont have dug the grave and made the coffin for her too, she did that herself

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@Gibbs...Yes the do have a responsibiliy to make sure the customer gets their monesy worth but it wasnt the agency who gave the client a bad time, it was the girl. They have done what they should do. An agency cannot keep a girl on their books who will damage their reputation by not being good in the bedroom with clients, its basically the bottom line of the job. I would be very surprised if the agency hadnt already spoken to the girl when she received other complaints and given her chances to up her game already. If she ignored that and failed to offer a better service in full knowledge that she was falling short then what on earth else do you expect the agency to do but sack her.

Apparently the parlour owner(s) had received bad reports from other clients. Don't they think that they have a responsibility to make sure that the customer gets his moneys worth? They can't refuse to acknowledge their responsibility by simply sacking the staff.

 

Hello, can I see ******

 

Certainly sir but you do need to be aware she has received complaints from others

 

Oh, forget it then, is ****** available, with complaints

 

Yes sire she is and no, no complaints,

 

Okay I shall book her instead.

 

If the agency is to protect is clientelle then this is the best they could do with girl who offers a shit services enough times to get multiple complaints. If they do this there is zero point the girl even being on their books as after a conversation like that no one will book her other than the guys who have already seen her and either liked her or fancied her enough to not give a shit they are haveing a below standard service. Thats not how agencys work. 

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I had a poor time at a flat I visited many years ago here in cambridge, I didn't complain.

when I went back about a month later I got talking to the lady working that day, she asked if i'd been there before and who i'd seen,

when I said the previous lady's name she told me that lady had been sacked after many complaints from other guys.

she asked me if i had complained too.

I said I didn't know who to complain to

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A complaint has to be justified before someone really makes it.

 

I once complained about a lady I seen, and wrote to the receptionist, who said I had to give facts and show the person was poor, I sent the facts and I get a reply from the owner who told me I was no longer welcome if I thought his staff were not trained properly, agai I wrote to the owner saying that I would take the complaint further, and speak out on a forum I was on at the time, and I was threatened with a ban from all parlours in the area.

 

Course I wrote to a few parlour owners I know and got the support to speak out on a forum, the threat didnt amount to anything, so when you do try to complain be aware that you might not be taken seriously.

 

I did complain about an overnight booking I had with a escort about a year ago, who did a runner with my money, and got a few escorts saying they knew her and it was not like her to do something like that, and she was informed that I had spoken out about her on a forum, so be prepaired to get your name on some list if you do complain.

 

Always beware of the consequences when you speak out, and be prepaired to get your name dragged through the mud with the person you complain about.

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As I said I only see indies and that is entirely due to the comments that have been made on this forum by both punters and WG's.

Did you read my post standing on your head?

If I can be specific. An indie doesn't get the sack because she gets a bad report. This bad report got the girl sacked. I wouldn't want to be responsible for getting any parlour girl the sack no matter how bad the service. As has been said on here a few times it's called punting i.e. wgen you punt you take a chance on winning or losing. If you lose that's too bad. Have a cry and go home.

Other men might be quite happy to get a girl the sack. That's up to them it's not me. I've had a handful of crappy punts with indies. So what. It's not nice to hand out £100 - £150 and then think that you might have shoved it down a drain but that's the way it is sometimes.

Apparently the parlour owner(s) had received bad reports from other clients. Don't they think that they have a responsibility to make sure that the customer gets his moneys worth? They can't refuse to acknowledge their responsibility by simply sacking the staff.

 

 

 

 

 

   Well you wont be doing anyone any favors by not complaining or reporting bad punts . That's what the internet and this forum is about . Years ago there was no where to search to get any info at all . All you could wish for is if you met a punter going out as you were coming in , as you passed him on the stairs , you could ask him " was she any good  ? "   and if you were lucky he may answer  "  rubbish mate , don't bother  " 

 

   Today in this golden age there are all sorts of ways to engage with others to help your search . So it's not "  punting " as it used to be , the good punts should outweigh the bad .

 

   You are lucky that you have come into this at a time when all the info is available to you . The least you can do is give good / bad feedback to others .

 

   No , I didn't read your post standing on my head but will try reading it again with the help of mirrors .

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@Gibbs...Yes the do have a responsibiliy to make sure the customer gets their monesy worth but it wasnt the agency who gave the client a bad time, it was the girl. They have done what they should do. An agency cannot keep a girl on their books who will damage their reputation by not being good in the bedroom with clients, its basically the bottom line of the job. I would be very surprised if the agency hadnt already spoken to the girl when she received other complaints and given her chances to up her game already. If she ignored that and failed to offer a better service in full knowledge that she was falling short then what on earth else do you expect the agency to do but sack her.

Apparently the parlour owner(s) had received bad reports from other clients. Don't they think that they have a responsibility to make sure that the customer gets his moneys worth? They can't refuse to acknowledge their responsibility by simply sacking the staff.

 

Hello, can I see ******

 

Certainly sir but you do need to be aware she has received complaints from others

 

Oh, forget it then, is ****** available, with complaints

 

Yes sire she is and no, no complaints,

 

Okay I shall book her instead.

 

If the agency is to protect is clientelle then this is the best they could do with girl who offers a shit services enough times to get multiple complaints. If they do this there is zero point the girl even being on their books as after a conversation like that no one will book her other than the guys who have already seen her and either liked her or fancied her enough to not give a shit they are haveing a below standard service. Thats not how agencys work.

Very good response Chloe. Just goes to highlight that any given situation can be viewed from different angles and various answers might present themselves. Right or wrong? Which is it? Where is it? Does it exist?

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There is no writing rule about giving feedback, its up to the individual if and when they decide to do a review of their punt.

 

Many folk do it because they think the lady deserves some credit, and in a way its a thank you.

 

There are some like who make a report into a joke and its gets much praise.

 

To expect everyone to review would be to flood the market, and good reports would be lost amongst them.

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Well you wont be doing anyone any favors by not complaining or reporting bad punts . That's what the internet and this forum is about . Years ago there was no where to search to get any info at all . All you could wish for is if you met a punter going out as you were coming in , as you passed him on the stairs , you could ask him " was she any good  ? "   and if you were lucky he may answer  "  rubbish mate , don't bother  "     Today in this golden age there are all sorts of ways to engage with others to help your search . So it's not "  punting " as it used to be , the good punts should outweigh the bad .    You are lucky that you have come into this at a time when all the info is available to you . The least you can do is give good / bad feedback to others .    No , I didn't read your post standing on my head but will try reading it again with the help of mirrors .

Let's call it quits please. Otherwise one or both of us will get this thread locked which is not in the best interests of the other contributors.

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As I said I only see indies and that is entirely due to the comments that have been made on this forum by both punters and WG's.

Did you read my post standing on your head?

If I can be specific. An indie doesn't get the sack because she gets a bad report. This bad report got the girl sacked. I wouldn't want to be responsible for getting any parlour girl the sack no matter how bad the service. As has been said on here a few times it's called punting i.e. wgen you punt you take a chance on winning or losing. If you lose that's too bad. Have a cry and go home.

Other men might be quite happy to get a girl the sack. That's up to them it's not me. I've had a handful of crappy punts with indies. So what. It's not nice to hand out £100 - £150 and then think that you might have shoved it down a drain but that's the way it is sometimes.

Apparently the parlour owner(s) had received bad reports from other clients. Don't they think that they have a responsibility to make sure that the customer gets his moneys worth? They can't refuse to acknowledge their responsibility by simply sacking the staff.

 

I'm a bit intrigued love as to how you think they should go about making sure the client gets his monies worth?  If the girls heart isn't in it or she is just plain bad at what she does, like all other professions they should let her go because it will ultimately reflect on them.  If they have had previous complaints how do you know she hasn't been warned or had a good talking to?  Also I'm not sure how any agent can go about on the job training (interesting idea though if that's your train of thought), but if its a male run agency they could be setting themselves up for all sorts of problems by even contemplating that so that won't work.

 

As for the girl involved, there are loads of agencies out there that will take her on and she also has the option to try it independently, but if she is poor at her job she will fail whatever options she decides to take.  I've met and worked with many girls over the years, some take to it like a duck to water, some are born to do it, some struggle at first, find their feet and then shine, but there are girls that are simply not cut out for it, we've had them at parties and had to let them go too, as much for their own sake as ours. 

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OP why are you seeking validation that you did nothing wrong, no matter how much people coo that ooo its not your fault etc the end result is still the same, the girl lost her job. If the girl is sacked she is sacked. You clearly couldnt have been the first person who complained so its not all on your head but yes, you possibly sealed the coffin with yours so that is on your head. Saying that if she was giving a decent service no one would have complained in the first place so the ultimate responsibility for her sacking rests on her own head. 

 

I had some complaints once about a certain girl, I had a chat with her, then she went and did the same thing on the same day later, I sacked her, it was a sackable offence the first time around let alone the third wether on the same day or not. The guy then came in a few weeks later asking to see her, I told him she had been sacked. He looked crestfallen and started apologising. I told him to stop apologising, if he was that bothered he wouldnt have complained in the first place, complaints have consequences but at the end of the day she broke the rules and I was glad it was brought to my attention.

 

Im sorry but making a complaint then feeling guilty for the consequences is pretty pointless...man up, you will just have hit the final nail, you wont have dug the grave and made the coffin for her too, she did that herself

Exactly it,especially the last part

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I'm a bit intrigued love as to how you think they should go about making sure the client gets his monies worth? If the girls heart isn't in it or she is just plain bad at what she does, like all other professions they should let her go because it will ultimately reflect on them. If they have had previous complaints how do you know she hasn't been warned or had a good talking to? Also I'm not sure how any agent can go about on the job training (interesting idea though if that's your train of thought), but if its a male run agency they could be setting themselves up for all sorts of problems by even contemplating that so that won't work.

As for the girl involved, there are loads of agencies out there that will take her on and she also has the option to try it independently, but if she is poor at her job she will fail whatever options she decides to take. I've met and worked with many girls over the years, some take to it like a duck to water, some are born to do it, some struggle at first, find their feet and then shine, but there are girls that are simply not cut out for it, we've had them at parties and had to let them go too, as much for their own sake as ours.

I've read your post several times in the last day, Holly, trying to think of an adequate reply and failing. All I can do is to ask you to read again my previous posts please. I don't think that by writing another post that I can make it any clearer and can only apologise for my inability to convey my thoughts. Must try harder in future. Or was that must be harder. :D Edited by gibbs

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