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 and why not ?

Can't believe you asked this.

 

Suddenly, in a society where prostitution is looked down upon, and governments try to blame it for the escalating drug situation, and feminists shout from the rooftops how bad it is.. in a failing economy where jobs are thin on the ground they suddenly decide it is alright for girls to enter into this profession with no training, no guidance, no counselling?

They now think it is fine for a girl to sell her precious body because there is nothing else to do?

 

And don't tell me girls give it away after a night out clubbing because most girls do not.

 

This is as bad as those tacky Belle de Jour books and the like..  encouraging women to do this when it is not safe to do so?  Remember there is no legislation, no protection, no nothing.  I wonder if while they are suggesting that girls take this up as a career, they are not saying you have to be good looking (because that would be so wrong on so many counts) and you will end up with no friends left in your peer group because they will all look down on you.

 

Girls like you and I choose to do this, and that is the difference.

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Can't believe you asked this.

 

Suddenly, in a society where prostitution is looked down upon, and governments try to blame it for the escalating drug situation, and feminists shout from the rooftops how bad it is.. in a failing economy where jobs are thin on the ground they suddenly decide it is alright for girls to enter into this profession with no training, no guidance, no counselling?

They now think it is fine for a girl to sell her precious body because there is nothing else to do?

 

And don't tell me girls give it away after a night out clubbing because most girls do not.

 

This is as bad as those tacky Belle de Jour books and the like..  encouraging women to do this when it is not safe to do so?  Remember there is no legislation, no protection, no nothing.  I wonder if while they are suggesting that girls take this up as a career, they are not saying you have to be good looking (because that would be so wrong on so many counts) and you will end up with no friends left in your peer group because they will all look down on you.

 

Girls like you and I choose to do this, and that is the difference.

 

There was nothing about this being made compulsory, but the fact sheet did appear to be very superficial. However I am all for establishing proper training and advice for women wanting to enter sex work. Also I would like to see the day when sex work jobs were openly advertised in Job Centres and such like, so people could start to get proper contracts and employment protection, I want the Government to recognise that it is my precious body and that I should be able to capitalise on its value. 

 

When I entered this profession I had no training, experience or counselling, so a decent fact sheet that directed me to what non-prejudicial resources are available would have been useful as a starting point.

 

I would also reject the internalisation of stigma, we are never going to be able to overcome stigma from others if we constantly presume that we need to plan around such stigma. I don't have any real problems with my peer group, and those who did get miffy were only those who seem to be jealous of anyone's success regardless of whether they are WGs.

 

Maybe we should organise a workshop were we could discuss these things with women interested in entering sex work.

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It's a rare girl who enters this industry trained and ready for the job.

Personally I see this as a step forward during a time when the antis are on the increase this sort of thing can rule in our favour.

I see no reason why there shouldn't be some sort of training for what is, lets face it, a huge industry that young women are seeing more and more as an option, and not a bad one either.

Do you really prefer it to remain cloak and dagger Sarah?

I think anything that puts forward to the public that this IS work and CAN be your pathway to a stable financial future can only be a good thing.

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Girls, I do not want this to be cloak and dagger and I never implied that!

 

You have to want to do this - it is not like any other form of work.  if you do not like doing it and only have the thought of the money in your head, you will not be a good service provider.  What we do has to benefit both the lady and her client, so they both feel happy.  if you are not happy in your work you will move on to something else.

 

I don't see why there shuld not be some form of training either but in reality that is never going to happen is it

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Girls, I do not want this to be cloak and dagger and I never implied that!

 

You have to want to do this - it is not like any other form of work.  if you do not like doing it and only have the thought of the money in your head, you will not be a good service provider.  What we do has to benefit both the lady and her client, so they both feel happy.  if you are not happy in your work you will move on to something else.

 

I don't see why there shuld not be some form of training either but in reality that is never going to happen is it

 

Maybe this is as Chloe said a step in the right direction towards making sure that all the things that you worry about are put into place.  I'm a bit perplexed by it all to be honest because as with any other job your employer by law has to ensure that health and safety rules are followed and not sure exactly who decides what safety rules should be put into place when offering this sort of position.

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An agency once advertised in the local job centres up here but I don't think it was very successful.  This was a few years ago and a few steps behind today's awareness of the industry by the general public.

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Girls, I do not want this to be cloak and dagger and I never implied that!

You have to want to do this - it is not like any other form of work. if you do not like doing it and only have the thought of the money in your head, you will not be a good service provider. What we do has to benefit both the lady and her client, so they both feel happy. if you are not happy in your work you will move on to something else.

I don't see why there shuld not be some form of training either but in reality that is never going to happen is it

And if a female sees that advert she isn't going to do it if she doesn't want to just because she has seen an advert. Lets not pretend all women go into this job because they wake up, have some sort of epiphany that this is their reason for being. I think the primary one is to earn a living.

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And if a female sees that advert she isn't going to do it if she doesn't want to just because she has seen an advert. Lets not pretend all women go into this job because they wake up, have some sort of epiphany that this is their reason for being. I think the primary one is to earn a living.

Not so sure about that.

 

Some ladies like myself do this because we feel we were made for the job - it's not a job at all to me - it is simply something I do because I want to.  Some girls do this to get themselves out of debt or to pay for a student loan - never to return once they are back on their feet.  Some ladies read those bloody books and start doing it only to find they have made a big mistake and by then the damage is done.  Some girls do it to fund a habit - whatever that habit may be.

 

This job is not for everyone long term.  Once those girls are finished with lap dancing what are they expected to do when their only skill is shimmying around some bloke in a club or shinning up a pole?  Can they then retrain once the economy is back on it's feet?

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Feel so strongly about this.  Can't emphasise enough that this job is about personal choice.  Nobody should influence any girl to even contemplate entering the sex industry.  We have to decide to do this for whatever reason without a carrot being dangled (48 flippin K)

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Not so sure about that.

 

Some ladies like myself do this because we feel we were made for the job - it's not a job at all to me - it is simply something I do because I want to.  Some girls do this to get themselves out of debt or to pay for a student loan - never to return once they are back on their feet.  Some ladies read those bloody books and start doing it only to find they have made a big mistake and by then the damage is done.  Some girls do it to fund a habit - whatever that habit may be.

 

This job is not for everyone long term.  Once those girls are finished with lap dancing what are they expected to do when their only skill is shimmying around some bloke in a club or shinning up a pole?  Can they then retrain once the economy is back on it's feet?

 

Sarah I'm not sure there is as much stigma for the youngsters doing things like pole dancing these day's as there would have been when we were younger and for some it does manage to afford them a better education or better things in life so can't see why they can't move forward after doing this.  I don't think the job centres can force them into taking these positions but I can't help thinking that anything that helps take away the stigma and makes our industry more regulated has to be a good thing in the long run no matter how small it is to start with.

 

I was reading about a woman that has been doing this for over fifty years, did very well out of it and is now in her 90's, so not sure why it can't be long term either, I did it for the best part of 17 years and you've been doing it a fair length of time yourself.  Your right there are those out there that this job wouldn't suit, but there are a hell of a lot like you, Chloe and others here that it does suit so why not give them the option?  My son was told about a job working with electric cables but he wouldn't consider it because he's petrified of heights, another one wouldn't join the Army even though it was a career choice they were pushing hard at school because he's a pacifist.  Common sense must also apply surely.

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Feel so strongly about this. Can't emphasise enough that this job is about personal choice. Nobody should influence any girl to even contemplate entering the sex industry. We have to decide to do this for whatever reason without a carrot being dangled (48 flippin K)

At the end of the day people morals etc kick in. If its something they don't mind trying then its not going to mess them up for life. It's becoming far more acceptable in younger people than you realise. Time and time again a girl would come along (when I ran mke) and soon enough a couple of her friends would want to try it because they saw her earning good money and wanted too aswell. Some stay, some try it and find its not for them. Not once did someone come out of their first day and NOT want to give it another go though x

It is hard for the correct advise to be given though by someone who hasn't been in the industry.

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Feel so strongly about this.  Can't emphasise enough that this job is about personal choice.  Nobody should influence any girl to even contemplate entering the sex industry.  We have to decide to do this for whatever reason without a carrot being dangled (48 flippin K)

 

But how can anyone make an informed choice if they can't get decent unbiased information about the ups and downs. Supplying details of possible career paths in sex related work with the possible benefits and hazards can only be helpful.

 

I started this work through a series of relationships that became increasingly commercialised, I decided to become an Escort because I wanted money and I enjoy the work most of the time. 

 

I don't think it wrong to tell someone you can earn so much from this or that, but I think it is important to say a lot of people don't earn that sort of money, and the working hours can be anti-social etc... etc... I think we should be able to get sex work out into the open and have the conversation about how it works for some women in some circumstances and can be experienced by others as really unpleasant. 

 

I would never want to work in an office ever again. No one ever warned me about the sexual harassment and the pain of working for stupid nasty managers in an office that did nothing of real value.

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Feel so strongly about this.  Can't emphasise enough that this job is about personal choice.  Nobody should influence any girl to even contemplate entering the sex industry.  We have to decide to do this for whatever reason without a carrot being dangled (48 flippin K)

 

Why is that dangling a carrot? 48K is entirely achievable if you work at it properly, I know girls earning a lot more than that out of the industry.  I'm with Inna on this one.  In all the years I worked I was NEVER ashamed of what I did. I worked flipping hard, made a bit out of it too and if given the choice would do it all over again, but it would have been nice to have had the option of some sort of training at the beginning rather than being thrown to the lions blind.  In other words, your right we do chose to do this, but it would have been nice to make an 'informed' choice.

 

I'm not sure where your coming from with Belle De Jour either because whilst I know that Brookes experiences are not quite the same as most Indies (hers were high end), my experiences were not far off hers a lot of the time, and I should imagine if I'd been younger when I started and better informed, my experiences would have been right in line with hers because I would have worked high end.

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 I am all for establishing proper training for women wanting to enter sex work.

Please can I have that job.

 

Please oh please.

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Please can I have that job.

 

Please oh please.

 

Erm I'm not quite sure she was talking about the art of the perfect BJ (although that could come into it).  Its more what to look for with regards to STI's, how to deal with difficult clients, how to stay safe, how to handle your taxes, market yourself and so on.  Still want the job?

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Please can I have that job.

 

Please oh please.

 

What are your qualifications ?

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What are your qualifications ?

Er.... I have a cock.

 

That's it really. But I see that you use the plural.  :(

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Er.... I have a cock.

 

That's it really. But I see that you use the plural.  :(

Why is that a problem? You're supposed to lie on a job application. Everyone expects it. So explain that you have 3 cocks. That should at least get you an interview. ;)

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Why is that a problem? You're supposed to lie on a job application. Everyone expects it. So explain that you have 3 cocks. That should at least get you an interview. ;)

 

Absolutely you would be straight on the "short" list.

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Why is that a problem? You're supposed to lie on a job application. Everyone expects it. So explain that you have 3 cocks. That should at least get you an interview. ;)

 

Followed by a 4 week work trial at least!  (plus expenses)

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But how can anyone make an informed choice if they can't get decent unbiased information about the ups and downs. Supplying details of possible career paths in sex related work with the possible benefits and hazards can only be helpful.

 

 

I guess they don't, they either decide to give it a try or they decide not too. At the end of the day they are not going to have any less information about this job than most women when they enter it. I didnt have the vaguest clue. The only women who do enter by informed choice as oppose to uninformed blind choice are the ones who know someone what has some dealings of sorts within this industry or the ones, the ones who kind of slip into it as you did or the girls who hit the google search buttons, and that last ones no guarantee of good information x

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Can't believe you asked this.

 

Suddenly, in a society where prostitution is looked down upon, and governments try to blame it for the escalating drug situation, and feminists shout from the rooftops how bad it is.. in a failing economy where jobs are thin on the ground they suddenly decide it is alright for girls to enter into this profession with no training, no guidance, no counselling?

They now think it is fine for a girl to sell her precious body because there is nothing else to do?

 

And don't tell me girls give it away after a night out clubbing because most girls do not.

 

This is as bad as those tacky Belle de Jour books and the like..  encouraging women to do this when it is not safe to do so?  Remember there is no legislation, no protection, no nothing.  I wonder if while they are suggesting that girls take this up as a career, they are not saying you have to be good looking (because that would be so wrong on so many counts) and you will end up with no friends left in your peer group because they will all look down on you.

 

Girls like you and I choose to do this, and that is the difference.

I can see where youre coming from.That is an awfully big carrot being dangled there at 40 odd K,also for lapdancing highly unlikely when you factor in house cut,with some,use of amenaties,time lost for pole/stage acts,limited shifts etc,hell,sometimes a dancer can finish a shift owing the house money.

It did seem to be promoting work in  the adult industry as an easy option,especially for those with money problems.Not great,especially with the amount of scammers working within that industry more than willing to take advantage of someone elses desperation.

if they were going to do something like that on a gvt website they should be made to do it properly,with full and proper advice as well as support.

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