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The Bourgeois Wife "differs From The Ordinary Courtesan In That She Does Not Let Out Her Body ... As A Wage Worker, But Sells It Once ... Into Slavery

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Engels: The bourgeois wife "differs from the ordinary courtesan in that she does not let out her body on a piecework as a wage worker, but sells it once and for all into slavery.

 

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You been smoking that wacky backy?

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You been smoking that wacky backy?

 

No this is something I really believe... and that is why so many "wives" hate WGs because we make men pay what we are really worth.

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Engels: The bourgeois wife "differs from the ordinary courtesan in that she does not let out her body on a piecework as a wage worker, but sells it once and for all into slavery.

 

Discuss....

 

 

If that were true, then most of the married guys on here would not be punting. It seems that many wives are all too ready to abandon any effort to have sexual relations with their husbands.

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If that were true, then most of the married guys on here would not be punting. It seems that many wives are all too ready to abandon any effort to have sexual relations with their husbands.

 

because they resent the sexual servitude inherent in their marriages. 

 

When skilled sex is properly recognised and rewarded women get hot... very simple 

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I'm not trying to twist what you're saying, Inna, but that would imply that "skilled sex" isn't also a form of alienated labour under capitalism --

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because they resent the sexual servitude inherent in their marriages. 

 

When skilled sex is properly recognised and rewarded women get hot... very simple 

 

50 years ago I might have agreed with that statement but not today.  The modern woman is so much more aware of here sexuality, know what to expect and demand it too, so I actually think that the boot is on the other foot these days and it's often the man that doesn't measure up or put out.  Its women that are having Ann Summers parties not men, women are buying and watching almost as much porn as men these days too..

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I'm not trying to twist what you're saying, Inna, but that would imply that "skilled sex" isn't also a form of alienated labour under capitalism --

 

It is certainly influenced as a capitalist institution, but it is not alienated in that we are fully seized of what we are producing and are fully invested in its accomplishment.  

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Up until a certain point in our history women were seen as property of their husbands and at the mercy of their husbands regarding household finances and it was her bound duty to not refuse him in the bedroom, a husband could ruin a woman by divorcing her for the simplest thing whereas she was equally ruined if she attempted to divorce him, he could commit her to an asylum whereas she could not do the same to him. He was in literal terms the true head of the household. In view of that then yes, at one point in time this statement was completely and utterly true without any doubt. 

 

Nowadays though its not true, women work, they have control of their own finances, they are not cast out of the home into destitution if she wont service her husband to his every whim, we have rights, we have control of our lives as much as any other person. So, no, its no longer true for most women. There are of course women in controlling relationships who probably feel that this describes what their life has become rather well.

 

Marraige today...and guys think we are the only ones who take payment up front. At least though we provide the promised services for the time payed. xx

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Possibly true in Engels' day. But that was some time ago now. As Chloe says, the days of wives being the property of a husband are long gone. Well, in civilised society, at least...

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because they resent the sexual servitude inherent in their marriages. 

 

When skilled sex is properly recognised and rewarded women get hot... very simple 

 

Could be something to it.

 

My ex-wife was super hot in the bedroom when we had the financial freedom to do anything, when global recession took its toll and the money dried up, so did her pussy!  - hence the ex-wife.

 

Fortunately, I got things back on track and escorts get the benefit of my cash and are super hot in the bedroom... :)

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Could be something to it.

 

My ex-wife was super hot in the bedroom when we had the financial freedom to do anything, when global recession took its toll and the money dried up, so did her pussy!  - hence the ex-wife.

 

Fortunately, I got things back on track and escorts get the benefit of my cash and are super hot in the bedroom... :)

 

Excellent Comrade, a true revolutionary 

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Up until a certain point in our history women were seen as property of their husbands and at the mercy of their husbands regarding household finances and it was her bound duty to not refuse him in the bedroom, a husband could ruin a woman by divorcing her for the simplest thing whereas she was equally ruined if she attempted to divorce him, he could commit her to an asylum whereas she could not do the same to him. He was in literal terms the true head of the household. In view of that then yes, at one point in time this statement was completely and utterly true without any doubt. 

 

Nowadays though its not true, women work, they have control of their own finances, they are not cast out of the home into destitution if she wont service her husband to his every whim, we have rights, we have control of our lives as much as any other person. So, no, its no longer true for most women. There are of course women in controlling relationships who probably feel that this describes what their life has become rather well.

 

Marraige today...and guys think we are the only ones who take payment up front. At least though we provide the promised services for the time payed. xx

 

The real thrust of Engels argument was that any relationship that was fed by the institutional and structural privileges of the bourgeois male and required women to make themselves sexually available to such men in return for personal security was exploitative and therefore was not a relationship of equals. Working couples where women worked were often in poorer circumstances and of course the surplus value of their labour was appropriated by the capitalist class but at least the economic circumstance of their relationship was more equitable, 

 

 

 

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The real thrust of Engels argument was that any relationship that was fed by the institutional and structural privileges of the bourgeois male and required women to make themselves sexually available to such men in return for personal security was exploitative and therefore was not a relationship of equals. Working couples where women worked were often in poorer circumstances and of course the surplus value of their labour was appropriated by the capitalist class but at least the economic circumstance of their relationship was more equitable,

Yes Zi know but even poorer couples where they both worked the man had final day in everything.

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Yes Zi know but even poorer couples where they both worked the man had final day in everything.

 

and just shows how unjust and exploitative patriarchy can be, when even the exploited proletariat will resort to claiming undeserved entitlement.

 

I remember reading how some white women in the USA argued that by giving white women the vote it would ensure the continuing disenfranchisement of the black community, as white women would never vote to open the franchise to Blacks. 

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and just shows how unjust and exploitative patriarchy can be, when even the exploited proletariat will resort to claiming undeserved entitlement.

 

I remember reading how some white women in the USA argued that by giving white women the vote it would ensure the continuing disenfranchisement of the black community, as white women would never vote to open the franchise to Blacks. 

I cant speak for other nations as Im not part of them but here in the Uk we have all heard that old chestnut "the englishMANS home is his castle" 

Clearly when that originated women were just there on sufference of good behaviour, or if his willy or heart couldnt live without her x

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