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Would You Punt If This Could Happen?

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I just read this with some uneasy amusement and relief that it does not happen here:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335855/Operation-Flush-Johns-Wives-families-react-Long-Island-prostitution-arrests.html

 

I doubt if I would risk punting if this type of naming and shaming were possible in the UK. At least I would go on with one or two trusted regulars until they retire and that would be it.

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My ghast is flabbered! The "government health warning" to the effect that all are innocent until proven guilty is pretty dishonest.

 

(And my answer to the OP's question is "No, not in Nassau County"!)

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Just vicious spite on the part of the female DA - She's not just ruining these guys lives but also the their partners and families, and in doing so she knows she is seriously hurting far more people than she is protecting - what an evil bitch

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I don't know where the sting took place but most of the clients look as if they've been pulled out of a charity shop backroom.  Only one of the customers appears to be a professional man with a suit and tie.  I trust a similar British sting would produce a row of elegant well groomed punters!

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I just read this with some uneasy amusement and relief that it does not happen here:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335855/Operation-Flush-Johns-Wives-families-react-Long-Island-prostitution-arrests.html

 

I doubt if I would risk punting if this type of naming and shaming were possible in the UK. At least I would go on with one or two trusted regulars until they retire and that would be it.

I imagine this is an effective tactic, no idea if it happens but i read a while back the police here wanted to do this with kerbcrawlers. Certainly names and addresses less the exact house number are given sometimes in local papers of course. I daresay Harriet Harridan and her ilk are studying this closely in preparation of resuming their campaign to criminalise all punters if Labour get back in in 2015.

 

I would like to think i would still continue to punt if it was a criminal offence here to do so, but its easy to say that now, when there are serious consequences to doing so in practice i might think differently though. Obviously prostitution CANT be stopped, Harridan and her ilk know this and that it will make it less safe for WGs, i assume they view any WG hurt as acceptable collateral damage.

 

Pragmatism is the plus point if it becomes a crime. The police will choose how to enforce the law as they do now with the already illegal street scene and brothels which they allow to operate in many areas. Purges will no doubt occur, and the not knowing if i might get caught up in one would be a constant concern, just as Harridan wants. The fear of getting caught will definitely put some punters off i think, too much to lose, but monitoring and nicking Indies punters would be a very expensive undertaking. Will the police be given the millions extra to police the whole punting scene, i very much doubt it.

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I find prostitution stings despicable in most cases, not when there are clear signs of coercion, underaged WGs and human trafficking. The most despicable are the naming and shaming websites where there are clear pictures of the "johns".

Also in the Netherlands are prostitution stings but they are of a different nature than the US ones. There was a police razzia in a brothel in Alkmaar and Zandpad in Utrecht have been closed. The police and other institutes had control over the Zandpad WGs but since that is closed, the WGs spreaded over the country and ht control is lost. Not the wisest thing to do.

About the US stings, there are a few things I don't understand:

- How do the US escorts handle this? They can escort when on tour, but not in their own country. Escorts can be stung as well. There is some kind of contradiction;

- When the prostitute is a female officer, the john is braking the law. I get that, although I don't agree. But if the john is a male officer qnd the prostitute is real, why is the prostitute in violation and not this john?;

- The cash is handed over from the john to the prostitute, but then there is no sex. I would think that no law has been broken yet. This is provocation. In the Netherlands the police cannot use provocation to arrest people, only in ally severe cases such like murder and child abuse, but not in case of sex between two consenting adults.

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I mean, in case of murder someone is in violation, when he has suspicious objects like knives, guns, poisons, etc. He can be arrested, even when there is no murder.

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Wont happen here - if the EU has ruled that murders cant be locked up for life then surely its against a "Johns" rights to have his face named and shamed?

 

America.................Land of the Free! (sarcasm)

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I imagine this is an effective tactic, no idea if it happens but i read a while back the police here wanted to do this with kerbcrawlers. Certainly names and addresses less the exact house number are given sometimes in local papers of course. I daresay Harriet Harridan and her ilk are studying this closely in preparation of resuming their campaign to criminalise all punters if Labour get back in in 2015.

 

I had no idea it was illegal there, to that extent? I guess I was wrong!

 

Naming and shaming is an extremely effective and decisive tactic with kerb crawlers. 

 

Why needlessly target and fine the prostitutes, when they can cut off the demand at source by targeting the kerb crawling punters? I would no longer punt, if the same conditions existed here, as in that state!

 

Thank God I live here and Harriet Harman no longer holds sway!

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how many people are really that interested? i guess many people would just shrug their shoulders and say "so what, the police should be going after real criminals"   of course the religious fanatics would be outraged but then they have something to be ashamed of- the catholic priests who've been raping children and it was covered up, we've also heard how the us govt has been spying on people secretly, it's interesting that the us govt like to name/shame but does'nt like being named and shamed by one of its former intelligence agents

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$60 was the fee for the set up - USA hookers are cheap then eh?

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Hmm..  Cameron has bigger fish to fry. 

 

even during the good economic times, Major and Blair didn't give a shit about prostitution.

 

In the US, as it's a more religious country than we are, it's more of an issue.  Moreover, it's also illegal there for the large part.  Naming and shaming may discourage use, but IMO people shouldn't be shamed for doing something legal.  Even if it's immoral, meh, some people think eating meat is immoral.  In that case, the government should name and shame me for eating roast chicken....

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Just vicious spite on the part of the female DA - She's not just ruining these guys lives but also the their partners and families, and in doing so she knows she is seriously hurting far more people than she is protecting - what an evil bitch

 

Well they're committing a crime.  So in that sense, the police officer may justify it in that context.  It's not necessarily a moral thing, but a legal issue.

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Well if the day comes when they decide to change the laws in the UK I suggest you guys put you're best foot forward and stand up and be counted and heard. Sometimes you have to fight your corner xx

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I imagine this is an effective tactic, no idea if it happens but i read a while back the police here wanted to do this with kerbcrawlers. Certainly names and addresses less the exact house number are given sometimes in local papers of course. I daresay Harriet Harridan and her ilk are studying this closely in preparation of resuming their campaign to criminalise all punters if Labour get back in in 2015.

 

I would like to think i would still continue to punt if it was a criminal offence here to do so, but its easy to say that now, when there are serious consequences to doing so in practice i might think differently though. Obviously prostitution CANT be stopped, Harridan and her ilk know this and that it will make it less safe for WGs, i assume they view any WG hurt as acceptable collateral damage.

 

Pragmatism is the plus point if it becomes a crime. The police will choose how to enforce the law as they do now with the already illegal street scene and brothels which they allow to operate in many areas. Purges will no doubt occur, and the not knowing if i might get caught up in one would be a constant concern, just as Harridan wants. The fear of getting caught will definitely put some punters off i think, too much to lose, but monitoring and nicking Indies punters would be a very expensive undertaking. Will the police be given the millions extra to police the whole punting scene, i very much doubt it.

I read the same.No idea if it actually went through although i did see on one of the multitude of police shows the officers giving the people they caught the choice of getting nicked,then the details hitting the local papers,or going on a prostitution awareness course to help prevent them reoffending.

Now back to the main topic.Would it stop me.Thats hard to say,what with the social stigma attached to seeing working ladies as it were.That is kind of countered as i'm quite used to being talked about and not exactly loved anyway.

I suppose it could make me think about punts,more,avoid the more bait locations etc,and make sure the punts were worth the risks,and some of the ladies most definately are

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Well they're committing a crime.  So in that sense, the police officer may justify it in that context.  It's not necessarily a moral thing, but a legal issue.

 

Yes of course they are criminals. So are a vast number of other offenders, but they are not publicly shamed, so the treatment of the offender, in terms of corollary punitive effects, is fundamentally inconsistent, and unreasonably harsh. 

 

It's not done out statutory duty, but for other reasons, such as deterrent to others, simple ugly spite and, let's not forget, to enhance her own political profile. Disgusting on more than one level.

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Well if the day comes when they decide to change the laws in the UK I suggest you guys put you're best foot forward and stand up and be counted and heard. Sometimes you have to fight your corner xx

Now you're talking - I'll definately be putting my name forward

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Now you're talking - I'll definately be putting my name forward

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