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Would You Still Punt If Prostitution Became Illegal In The Uk?

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Most punters are aware, in some form or other, that Sweden adopted a law in 1999, outlawing the purchase of sexual services, but not the right to sell them. Norway also adopted similar legislation and there was a proposal recently, to adopt a similar law in Scotland.

 

This change of emphasis, towards targeting the demand, rather than supply side, has already been used to great effect with street prostitution, in many areas of the UK, even if it still exists.

 

If a similar law was enacted here and you were then at great risk of being publicly 'named and shamed' in the media, whether by a police 'sting' or otherwise, would it make you reconsider whether the risks were worth the reward? 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/104-johns-nabbed-nassau-county-pay-sex-article-1.1361717

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335372/Operation-Flush-Johns-Nassau-County-DA-posts-pictures-104-arrested-prostitution-sting.html

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Most punters are aware, in some form or other, that Sweden adopted a law in 1999, outlawing the purchase of sexual services, but not the right to sell them. Norway also adopted similar legislation and there was a proposal recently, to adopt a similar law in Scotland.

 

This change of emphasis, towards targeting the demand, rather than supply side, has already been used to great effect with street prostitution, in many areas of the UK, even if it still exists.

 

If a similar law was enacted here and you were then at great risk of being publicly 'named and shamed' in the media, whether by a police 'sting' or otherwise, would it make you reconsider whether the risks were worth the reward? 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/104-johns-nabbed-nassau-county-pay-sex-article-1.1361717

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335372/Operation-Flush-Johns-Nassau-County-DA-posts-pictures-104-arrested-prostitution-sting.html

 

This aint the US and I cant see it happening here

 

IMHO the government has no right to say who i have sex with and if I pay them as long as they are over 18.

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I would still do it. My money and I decide what to spend it on. If both people consent to having sex for money then there is nothing wrong. 

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This aint the US and I cant see it happening here

 

IMHO the government has no right to say who i have sex with and if I pay them as long as they are over 18.

I couldn't agree with you more, but the question is a hypothetical one. If it did come to pass, would to still punt?

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I would still punt.

 

May the entrails of those who wish to interfere with what goes on between consenting adults shrivel.

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Personally the only time I would stop punting is if I get myself into a relationship.

I would have to be more careful if the law changed but there are always ways around the problem. All it would do is send it back underground and we would have to come up with some sort of code that gets around internet filters etc.

I can't see in this time of austerity how they can police it properly.

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Don't forget we only recently swerved this one in Scotland. Mad Rhoda Grant's bill would have criminalised men paying for sex. Yes it would have been difficult to police. Fortunately sanity prevailed.

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It would be beyond a travesty if it were to happen but if it were to become illegal I'd have to stop.

Not worth the risk of losing my livelihood, which I would if caught breaking the law.

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I don't think it's the legality that worries most people it's the chance and consequences of getting caught.

 

For example, if it were illegal but not enforced particularly well, that might be less of a deterrent.  Particularly if it was difficult to gain a conviction - you would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that money changed hands.  Suppose, for example, that all transactions were taking place using bitcoins (at a different time to the meeting) and were pretty much untraceable.

 

I'd also think that even if it were legal but there was a lot of publicity, then that would dissuade people.  I've got some recollection of a guy in Manchester who took photos of everyone leaving certain massage parlours and publishing them on his website.  Imagine that on a larger scale - e.g. suppose that someone ran a facebook account that published photos of men leaving brothels and that facebook's facial recognition automatically tagged you in albums - so that your friends started getting messages in their timeline saying "Fred was tagged in a photo leaving a brothel".  That might be a massive incentive to stop punting without any change to the law.

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Most punters are aware, in some form or other, that Sweden adopted a law in 1999, outlawing the purchase of sexual services, but not the right to sell them. Norway also adopted similar legislation and there was a proposal recently, to adopt a similar law in Scotland.

 

This change of emphasis, towards targeting the demand, rather than supply side, has already been used to great effect with street prostitution, in many areas of the UK, even if it still exists.

 

If a similar law was enacted here and you were then at great risk of being publicly 'named and shamed' in the media, whether by a police 'sting' or otherwise, would it make you reconsider whether the risks were worth the reward? 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/104-johns-nabbed-nassau-county-pay-sex-article-1.1361717

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335372/Operation-Flush-Johns-Nassau-County-DA-posts-pictures-104-arrested-prostitution-sting.html

I would like to think i would punt anyway. However in my view its only if it happened that i would be certain, i really dont fancy getting nicked, going to court and being named and shamed. Of course thats what Harriet Harridan and her ilk want, to scare punters off punting which is cheap.

 

Like with brothels and the street scene having laws is one thing, the police actually enforcing them when it comes to punting is another. If Labour get back in in 2015 i have no doubt that creature will once again try to criminalise all punters.

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I would definitely continue punting. However since I now only punt with my regular lady it wouldn't be a problem for me. As an 80 year old widower I cannot get too excited about being named and shamed. It is of course possible that I might even get some kudos for still being able to manage it! :P 

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I don't think it's the legality that worries most people it's the chance and consequences of getting caught.

 

For example, if it were illegal but not enforced particularly well, that might be less of a deterrent.  Particularly if it was difficult to gain a conviction - you would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that money changed hands.  Suppose, for example, that all transactions were taking place using bitcoins (at a different time to the meeting) and were pretty much untraceable.

 

I'd also think that even if it were legal but there was a lot of publicity, then that would dissuade people.  I've got some recollection of a guy in Manchester who took photos of everyone leaving certain massage parlours and publishing them on his website.  Imagine that on a larger scale - e.g. suppose that someone ran a facebook account that published photos of men leaving brothels and that facebook's facial recognition automatically tagged you in albums - so that your friends started getting messages in their timeline saying "Fred was tagged in a photo leaving a brothel".  That might be a massive incentive to stop punting without any change to the law.

Your dead right that it's the getting caught that will put people off or being outed publicly.

The automatic tagging feature is one of the reasons why I'm considering quitting facebook....there's too many ways that different aspects of our lives can get shared with all and sundry.

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I would still continue, probably out of sheer bloody mindedness more than desire.   Those links to the US are chilling.

 

Knowing that the NSA can see my unencrypted communications might mean that  #upforapunt might get flagged up along with #deathtoAmerica.  And I might end up in Gitmo, just for being randy.  

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http://www.hivlawcommission.org/resources/report/FinalReport-Risks,Rights&Health-EN.pdf

 

A 2012 report on HIV and the law (page 38) claims only 2 clients have ever been convicted of buying sex in Sweden after pleading guilty. The report also claims if a case goes to court the sex workers refuse to testify against the client, which might explain why they can only get a conviction on average once every 6 or 7 years. (If a sex worker is consenting why would she want her customers put in prison??)

 

Do you think their law is a deterrent to clients purchasing sexual services? I don't. I think the swedish law is one big joke. And online ads for escorts in Sweden are still easy enough to find.

 

To answer the question I would say probably yes.

 

What about stings? When booking an escort only book escorts that joined before the date the law came into effect.

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What about stings? When booking an escort only book escorts that joined before the date the law came into effect.

 

That doesn't always work either.  In the US, the cops will bust a well-established lady and then run a sting under her identity.  Regulars get caught that way too.

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Yes, I still would. As would many of the politicians who currently punt would too I suspect.

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That doesn't always work either.  In the US, the cops will bust a well-established lady and then run a sting under her identity.  Regulars get caught that way too.

Yes, I was thinking exactly the same thing. And besides, it might be pushing it to find a profile over a decade old. It would be interesting to know if anybody has punted in Sweden and Norway since the ban?

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Would You Still Punt If Prostitution Became Illegal In The Uk?

 

Is the Pope's public stance on gays a transparent PR exercise ?

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For me, it would probably depend on if and how service providers changed. If it led to a large reduction in the number of girls available in my area and it caused an increase in prices and/or reduction in available services then I'd have a lot to think about I reckon. Combined with the risk (however small) of getting caught by the police or whatever, I'd seriously have to consider giving it up I think. 

 

Getting 'outed' wouldn't be particularly nice either, but it's less of a problem for me as I don't have a partner or much to lose in that sense. 

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If they brought in a law here outlawing punting and criminalizing the punter, I would still carry on punting. However, in such a scenario the likely effect would be that I would probably cut down the number of new WGs that I'd usually see and instead I'd probably build up a bank of trusted regulars who I would see much more regularly than I do now

 

Can't ever see me quitting punting just cos the government says that I should

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Only punting within a select pool of trusted regulars would be safest. But not so good if you're like me and like seeing a different lady every time. Still maybe you could find out about other escorts via word of mouth, your trusted regulars might be able to give you contact details for other escorts she knows.

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If a similar law was enacted here and you were then at great risk of being publicly 'named and shamed' in the media, whether by a police 'sting' or otherwise, would it make you reconsider whether the risks were worth the reward? 

 

 

It would depend on the level of perceived risk, but a change in the law would certainly make me think.

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Having lived in both the US (ten years) and Sweden (two years) but being English and having lived here the majority of my life AND having punted for over thirty years now, I think I can give a pretty real rather than speculative answer -- as most have -- to this question. The answer is: "a great, great deal less than I punt now, in present-day England".

 

Would I stop punting altogether? No. Because most of us don't stop anything that gives us pleasure completely.  But would I take risks on the regular basis that I punt now, with little real regard to safety or discretion in a state where it was illegal? Absolutely not. My weekly punts today would likely become quarterly at most. If we became Sweden, it would be even less than that because WGs are simply not available (or if you know where to easily find them in Stockholm then please PM me). If we became America it would be about quarterly because the sting risk is palpable and the vetting system to avoid it is intrusive to the extent that it puts me off punting there (and btw, I have been caught, and arrested, in a sting.) Anyone who says their punting habits would blithely continue as they are today if the UK adopted American or Swedish prostitution laws either has an arrest wish or simply has no experience of living in either of those countries.

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Depends on how it would be enforced - if the police had an entrapment policy - a bait and arrest - I would have to hang up  my gloves - not for fear of the punishment - but the domestic consequences.

 

The USA is a bible thumping creationist teaching country where two faced politicians make what gains they can from going tough on the sex trade - it's a big vote catcher

 

Europe is a secular paradise that is help up as an examlpe by american atheists and I don't think we have anything to fear

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There's a good film starring William Shatner "Adventure of a married man" in which he is caught in a sting - after that he continues to street crawl - but asks each girl if she is a cop or working for the cops! It seems they have to answer truthfully or the sting is null and void - made a long time ago and that may have changed

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