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Would Ever Consider Running A Parlour, Flat Or Agency?

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I've been punting for well over 10 years now, so I think I know the rudiments of it, but owning a parlour is never anything I've considered before.  Even still, would you consider it? 

 

Thinking about it, the operations seem fairly easy.  Get a flat, advertise for girls, ensure clean bedsheets and condoms, hire a maid and/or security (by that I mean a man in the back out of sight could work), advertise for punters, etc. Maybe I'm making it seem very straightforward, however it seems the major costs would be wages for the WG/maid/security man, and of course utilities and advertising. 

 

And to avoid suspicious neighbours/the old bill, move location every 6-12 months or so.  Or locate oneself in a commercial area, like a row of shops or a flat above a high street.

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I've been punting for well over 10 years now, so I think I know the rudiments of it, but owning a parlour is never anything I've considered before.  Even still, would you consider it? 

 

Thinking about it, the operations seem fairly easy.  Get a flat, advertise for girls, ensure clean bedsheets and condoms, hire a maid and/or security (by that I mean a man in the back out of sight could work), advertise for punters, etc. Maybe I'm making it seem very straightforward, however it seems the major costs would be wages for the WG/maid/security man, and of course utilities and advertising. 

 

And to avoid suspicious neighbours/the old bill, move location every 6-12 months or so.  Or locate oneself in a commercial area, like a row of shops or a flat above a high street.

No i wouldnt, i would be too worried about getting nicked at any moment. The potential rewards arent worth the potential risks in my view.

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No i wouldnt, i would be too worried about getting nicked at any moment. The potential rewards arent worth the potential risks in my view.

My thoughts on the topic too. Not worth the hassle and risk of prison term and having all your assets seized and taken away. Is that enough?

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I've been punting for well over 10 years now, so I think I know the rudiments of it, but owning a parlour is never anything I've considered before.  Even still, would you consider it? 

 

Thinking about it, the operations seem fairly easy.  Get a flat, advertise for girls, ensure clean bedsheets and condoms, hire a maid and/or security (by that I mean a man in the back out of sight could work), advertise for punters, etc. Maybe I'm making it seem very straightforward, however it seems the major costs would be wages for the WG/maid/security man, and of course utilities and advertising. 

 

And to avoid suspicious neighbours/the old bill, move location every 6-12 months or so.  Or locate oneself in a commercial area, like a row of shops or a flat above a high street.

 

First, being a customer is not the same as being as a service provider. I shop in Tesco every day, but I don't kid myself that know the rudiments of running a grocery store. Things always sound easy on paper; they never are in real life. Having a loose understanding of what it takes to do something is not remotely the same thing as experience doing it. Furthermore, good operations people, good marketing people, good working girls, good security people etc. don't grow on trees. You need to be able to find them, persuade them to join you, keep them happy, and manage them. You seem to be concluding "marketing is easy. I could do it myself. Operations are straightforward...I could do it myself." To which my answer is "bollocks" (unless, to some degree, you have hands-on experience running a business in another industry in which some of the skills may be transferable).

 

Apart from all that, no, I wouldn't start a parlour for exactly the reasons given by others. Who needs a job where failure comes with the risk of asset loss and imprisonment? Not remotely worth it if you have other skills from which you can make a living. 

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All the marketing in the world wont get you clients if you have no girls...finding girls is the hardest part of all. No girls , no business unless you are going to be renting out your ass when the 3 girls you managed to get cant be bothered to come in. They really are the start, middle and end of it all, everything else is pointless without any.

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My thoughts on the topic too. Not worth the hassle and risk of prison term and having all your assets seized and taken away. Is that enough?

I know of a guy this is happening to at present, pleaded guilty to a couple of offences including money laundering, will be sentenced for them, his assets are frozen as POCA and in his case the taxman will then move in, a triple whammy.

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For the reasons outlined by Lohengrin, unless you have previous management experience in the small business sector it will be a steep learning curve.  Premises management, wages, rotas, marketing and the associated start-up and subsequent running costs, along with sourcing ‘stock’ and having appropriate customer service skills make it look impractical without some previous knowledge. 

 

In my experience organising club events and raves, it was a tremendous amount of hard work which included hiring administrative support to whom you could delegate areas of responsibility.  You will need a very diverse range of contacts in the industry.  Being known and trusted within your chosen environment is very important, particularly the sex sector.  This is even before considering the implications of getting apprehended and the ramifications of any consequences, as smiths makes clear.

 

Investing as a stakeholder in a going concern, one in which you could remain in the background - avoiding exposure, might be a more realistic expectation.  And that way you might gain some useful experience in the industry rather than jumping in blind. 

 

Sorry bethom, but the pimpin’ business seems like a lot of effort for very little return and a lot of risk.  Stick to being a customer and invest elsewhere.  

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If we ever a courageous open government, they may finally run an adequate licensing system for massage parlours and at that time yes I would consider it.  In the meantime, no because politics and police seem to be to unpredictable and love treat punters as predatory perverts, working girls as mis-guided victims and maids/owners/sps as evil pimps.  Until we have a grown-up media and politcians with some back bone, we are buggered with a cactus, sideways.

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If we ever a courageous open government, they may finally run an adequate licensing system for massage parlours and at that time yes I would consider it.  In the meantime, no because politics and police seem to be to unpredictable and love treat punters as predatory perverts, working girls as mis-guided victims and maids/owners/sps as evil pimps.  Until we have a grown-up media and politcians with some back bone, we are buggered with a cactus, sideways.

A healthcare profession said to me this week "You don't look to me like an exploited person".

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Hi Strawberry. You are independent but I guess from comments you made elsewhere that you do sometimes operate away from base. I also guess that you have seriously considered setting up a larger business. Why don't you? Unlike most contributions to this thread your thoughts would be valued as being based on knowledge and experience.

Being independent carries risks which being part of a group might mitigate. Being part of a group has downside as well. Can you let us know how you control the risk in an open forum like this?

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Hi Strawberry. You are independent but I guess from comments you made elsewhere that you do sometimes operate away from base. I also guess that you have seriously considered setting up a larger business. Why don't you? Unlike most contributions to this thread your thoughts would be valued as being based on knowledge and experience.

Being independent carries risks which being part of a group might mitigate. Being part of a group has downside as well. Can you let us know how you control the risk in an open forum like this?

You cannot control the risk no matter how above board and professionally a place is run. It's illegal and that's the only excuse the police need. There are as many well run places as badly run ones closed because of police raids. You either take the risk or you don't. There are no grey areas here

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Given its not advisable, why do people start up a flat, parlour or agency? Perhaps, they are from a criminal background and don't care about spending some time in prison. Perhaps as long as most of the money can be stashed away before authorities move in.

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You cannot control the risk no matter how above board and professionally a place is run. It's illegal and that's the only excuse the police need. There are as many well run places as badly run ones closed because of police raids. You either take the risk or you don't. There are no grey areas here

Case law suggests otherwise. Dean Street walkup for example. If I recall correctly it went to court and the police lost the case.

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Given its not advisable, why do people start up a flat, parlour or agency? Perhaps, they are from a criminal background and don't care about spending some time in prison. Perhaps as long as most of the money can be stashed away before authorities move in.

You can make a lot of money if you do it properly. Also a lot of flats are started by women wanting to move on from escorting but not leave the business as its what they know best x

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I've been punting for well over 10 years now, so I think I know the rudiments of it, but owning a parlour is never anything I've considered before.  Even still, would you consider it? 

 

Thinking about it, the operations seem fairly easy.  Get a flat, advertise for girls, ensure clean bedsheets and condoms, hire a maid and/or security (by that I mean a man in the back out of sight could work), advertise for punters, etc. Maybe I'm making it seem very straightforward, however it seems the major costs would be wages for the WG/maid/security man, and of course utilities and advertising. 

 

And to avoid suspicious neighbours/the old bill, move location every 6-12 months or so.  Or locate oneself in a commercial area, like a row of shops or a flat above a high street.

Running a parlour, or in other words, a brothel, is illegal. So no, I doubt I'll be wanting to do that any time soon! If you have a death wish and are happy to be nicked, charged in court and end up on the TV and/or in the newspapers, then fill your boots. 

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Running a parlour, or in other words, a brothel, is illegal. So no, I doubt I'll be wanting to do that any time soon! If you have a death wish and are happy to be nicked, charged in court and end up on the TV and/or in the newspapers, then fill your boots.

Everyone on this thread has equated 'parlour' with 'brothel'. There are plenty of parlours where you cannot get sex and will be politely told that you'll be in trouble if you continue to ask for it. The presumption that anyone offering massage must also offer sexual services is not only staggering it is contrary to what you all know to be true.

OK This site is all about places that do offer sex. But let's not make wild allegations that all parlours are illegal. I note that those shouting this most strongly appear to be female. We males no different. It is uncool to ask for sex only to find that the masseuse has a shed load of qualifications and could have you locked up for asking. It happens. My well deserved and much needed massages have been interrupted by shouting next door after punters were informed that they have entered the wrong door. A common mistake in an area where many WGs work.

The distinction which I think is being made by some parlours is that sex is about penetration; vaginal, anal or oral. Many do not provide any penetrative services. Whether non penetrative srvices are available is also variable. Whether such non penetrative services are legal or not I cannot be sure. However Chinese parlours appear to rigorously adopt this distinction.

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All the marketing in the world wont get you clients if you have no girls...finding girls is the hardest part of all. No girls , no business unless you are going to be renting out your ass when the 3 girls you managed to get cant be bothered to come in. They really are the start, middle and end of it all, everything else is pointless without any.

Finding good staff is not easy in any business and this would be no different. There are always people (both sexes) who , on occasion, can't be bothered to go to work and any adverse consequences on the business (and themselves) don't appear to matter to them.

Conscientious workers are ones to be appreciated and looked after but how do you find them in this business?

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You can make a lot of money if you do it properly.

But how many punters know how to do it "properly"? There is a big difference between "thinking" that you know how to do something and actually being able to do it. I would think that 99.9% of punters (myself included) really have no idea in what is involved in being an independent lady let alone what's involved in running a business with several ladies.

I enjoy reading but I doubt that I would be able to write a book that others would want to buy.

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Everyone on this thread has equated 'parlour' with 'brothel'. There are plenty of parlours where you cannot get sex and will be politely told that you'll be in trouble if you continue to ask for it. The presumption that anyone offering massage must also offer sexual services is not only staggering it is contrary to what you all know to be true.

OK This site is all about places that do offer sex. But let's not make wild allegations that all parlours are illegal. I note that those shouting this most strongly appear to be female. We males no different. It is uncool to ask for sex only to find that the masseuse has a shed load of qualifications and could have you locked up for asking. It happens. My well deserved and much needed massages have been interrupted by shouting next door after punters were informed that they have entered the wrong door. A common mistake in an area where many WGs work.

The distinction which I think is being made by some parlours is that sex is about penetration; vaginal, anal or oral. Many do not provide any penetrative services. Whether non penetrative srvices are available is also variable. Whether such non penetrative services are legal or not I cannot be sure. However Chinese parlours appear to rigorously adopt this distinction.

Selling a sexual service is prostitution. A parlour offering any sort of prostitution services wether penetration or not is illegal. A wank is a sexual service. They may rigorously adopt the no penetration but they are still running an illegal business if any sexual services are on offer. 

 

They are not wild assumptions by the way,  they are just the facts. The wild assumption would be that its okay to offer some sexual services and a third party make a profit from it and not other services. The law states "any sexual act" not "any sexual act other than a wank"

 

If a parlour wants to be above board then the ladies will offer massage only, not genital massage and will be fully clothed throughout x

 

Just a little nugget for you to digest. A brothel is a place where more than one woman engages in sexual acts with men. This means that if two married women rent a secret apartment together behind their husbands backs so they can take their toy boys they pick up on nights out back there for a bit of rumpy pumpy occasionally then in the eyes of the law, once they have both started to use the place for this , that  flat is technically a brothel and can be raided and the women can be prosecuted for "running a brothel", when money is exchanged for the services the charge changes to "running a brothel for the purposes of prostitution". The first chage holds 3 to 6 months. The second 6 months to 7 years. 

 

I believe they are covered respectively in section 53 and 53 a of the 1956 sexual offences act. Correct me if Im wrong, I may have got the act numbers in a muddle Im sure x

 

So...still think those chinese places are legal?

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But how many punters know how to do it "properly"? There is a big difference between "thinking" that you know how to do something and actually being able to do it. I would think that 99.9% of punters (myself included) really have no idea in what is involved in being an independent lady let alone what's involved in running a business with several ladies.

I enjoy reading but I doubt that I would be able to write a book that others would want to buy.

Exactly, they dont, they often think they do, but they don't. 

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Finding good staff is not easy in any business and this would be no different. There are always people (both sexes) who , on occasion, can't be bothered to go to work and any adverse consequences on the business (and themselves) don't appear to matter to them.

Conscientious workers are ones to be appreciated and looked after but how do you find them in this business?

Its a lot different, its a lot harder as you cannot offer a salary. Girls are often wary of new agencies as they know they have no client list. They are also far less reliable than in other industries as there is no contract, they are not obliged to come to work. They also do not need a reference from you to work in another agency. 

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Given its not advisable, why do people start up a flat, parlour or agency? Perhaps, they are from a criminal background and don't care about spending some time in prison. Perhaps as long as most of the money can be stashed away before authorities move in.

 

 

LOL I find this really really funny. 

 

In answer to you Bethom, the answer is Yes I considered then did it and no it's not just what you have typed, and actually harder than you have thought. :)

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Selling a sexual service is prostitution. A parlour offering any sort of prostitution services wether penetration or not is illegal. A wank is a sexual service. They may rigorously adopt the no penetration but they are still running an illegal business if any sexual services are on offer. 

 

They are not wild assumptions by the way,  they are just the facts. The wild assumption would be that its okay to offer some sexual services and a third party make a profit from it and not other services. The law states "any sexual act" not "any sexual act other than a wank"

 

If a parlour wants to be above board then the ladies will offer massage only, not genital massage and will be fully clothed throughout x

 

Just a little nugget for you to digest. A brothel is a place where more than one woman engages in sexual acts with men. This means that if two married women rent a secret apartment together behind their husbands backs so they can take their toy boys they pick up on nights out back there for a bit of rumpy pumpy occasionally then in the eyes of the law, once they have both started to use the place for this , that  flat is technically a brothel and can be raided and the women can be prosecuted for "running a brothel", when money is exchanged for the services the charge changes to "running a brothel for the purposes of prostitution". The first chage holds 3 to 6 months. The second 6 months to 7 years. 

 

I believe they are covered respectively in section 53 and 53 a of the 1956 sexual offences act. Correct me if Im wrong, I may have got the act numbers in a muddle Im sure x

 

So...still think those chinese places are legal?

 

Wow! Can I marry your brain? :wub:

 

As I said before, its about time that realistic legislation existed and politicians actually started having intelligent conversations.  I know several politicians from my professional life and lots of them are "in the closet" supporters of reforming laws to allow parlours (brothels) to be created and one party has tinkered with a draft piece of legislation and regulations with some real common sense things like:

 

- ID verification

- Licensing for the premises and possible locations

- Discreet notices

- Licenses for maids and owners

- Discreet registration of sex workers

- Access to services (education/health/leaving the industry)

- Bad punterwatch

- Advertising

- Neighbour consultations and validating objections (its immoral is not a valid objection) following the same scheme as alcohol sales where unless proof of harm there is a presumption to grant

- Acceptable services (most would be OK but there would be some practices that would fall under no-nos such as BDSM and barebacking)

- Inspection regimes - Routine and spot.  The routine to cover things such as fire doors, inspecting refused punter records, gas certificates, public liability, cleanliness, etc.  Spot would be to check bins for condom usage, that what was on record applied on a daily basis.

- Privacy legislation to prevent venues from having encampments of journalists trying to photograph the ladies and punters in case someone famous walks in or out

 

The benefits to us punters would be that bad (as in awful, dishonest fly-by-nights) SPs would be a much reduced risk.  To society is that policing the system would be largely self-funded, could create a new revenue stream for VAT and corporate taxes and there could be contributory pension schemes.  To SPs security that their business is now legit and their business will not be raided or shut down because some inspector failed to get a boner with his wife last night.  To the ladies it will be a security in that they are joining a regulated and legitimate business with protections.

 

Everyone is a winner!

 

But who is going to be the politician that stands up and says "Can we please look at this piece of law? And are we going to be realistic or are we just going to start attacking me for being immoral/abusing women/any other hystrionic argument?"

 

I would even suggest a NVQ in sex venue and sex worker as a qualification... "Now madam, for your practical exam you will be required to shag my brains into a complete pulp, using at least three of the first positions, 4 of the 2nd seven positions and 2 of your three entry points.  Extra credits will be awarded for appropriate filthy talking and a second coming within the allocated exam time.  The time is 14:32 and the exam will end 15:32. You may start now."

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and even if girls are offering wanks in exchange for broccoli technically they are still breaking the law x

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and even if girls are offering wanks in exchange for broccoli technically they are still breaking the law x

 

I'm thinking of getting an allotment.  Can you tell me what veggies have the best rate of exchange for a passionate hour or two ;) ?

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