Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
thedarkknightrises

Why Not Call A Spade ... A Spade.

114 posts in this topic

Why not call a spade ... a spade. ... 

 

Looking at profiles... Agencies & independents ( inc AW) , quite a few still refer to some girls nationality as "Eastern European".... Why?? .... What's wrong with putting the actual country they are from.

 

Ladies from "Western Europe" never use that term & always say which country they are from.

 

Ladies from the far east always list which country they are from.

 

Another thing that bugs me is why do profiles say " I am a tall lady ,,,,," but never actually say how tall they are.

 

Why do some Portuguese/Brazilian refer to themselves as Indian, when they really mean is that since a part of India ( Goa ) was once a Portuguese colony, they say they are Indian as they think it will bring more custom but in reality once they are rumbled as not being Indian they are probably losing custom. .... If other nationalities were to do this as well..... half the world would be british.

 

I am in a hotel, can't sleep & thought I would have a bit of a rant .... before you say it .... yes I have already had a punt :)

Edited by thedarkknightrises

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's called marketing and unless you've got a good product only works for as long as you get away with it

Noticeably Polish girls generally avoid the EE tag, I think not only because Poland is really central Europe rather than EE but I think Polish markets better than EE

I agree with you though - just another reason to do your research.

How was the punt btw?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because girls from certain areas of certain countries do rightly fear guys from their home country's finding them and trying to pimp them.

I remember two polish guys coming for a walkin years ago, the Eastern European girls refused to say hello to them and some of them. Asked for their nationality to be changed online. Some areas are village areas and low population, low employment and the girls knew the guys would recognise their local accent if they were from nearby. Not hard to then drive around that area with pictures of them. The fears they explained that day were blackmail to work for them re the pictures or being followed after work by them and possible grabs x

If a girl is Czech so what if she goes out as Lithuanian to protect her identity, you still have the sexy Ee accent and if you don't find her attractive her nationality isn't going to change that.

I have also seen Romanian girls hesitant to see Romanian guys but they don't visit often I think anyway

The girls fears may have had credence or may have been groundless but they have the right to work without being scared which trumps everything else unless of course you are from the same country and want to see a girl from your homeland so you can speak in your own language but I think those guys would probably be a bit more sympathetic as they understand possible situations and motives x

Edited by Chloe Kisses
3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because girls from certain areas of certain countries do rightly fear guys from their home country's finding them and trying to pimp them.

I remember two polish guys coming for a walkin years ago, the Eastern European girls refused to say hello to them and some of them. Asked for their nationality to be changed online. Some areas are village areas and low population, low employment and the girls knew the guys would recognise their local accent if they were from nearby. Not hard to then drive around that area with pictures of them. The fears they explained that day were blackmail to work for them re the pictures or being followed after work by them and possible grabs x

If a girl is Czech so what if she goes out as Lithuanian to protect her identity, you still have the sexy Ee accent and if you don't find her attractive her nationality isn't going to change that.

I have also seen Romanian girls hesitant to see Romanian guys but they don't visit often I think anyway

The girls fears may have had credence or may have been groundless but they have the right to work without being scared which trumps everything else unless of course you are from the same country and want to see a girl from your homeland so you can speak in your own language but I think those guys would probably be a bit more sympathetic as they understand possible situations and motives x

 

 

but it falls apart so quickly when you have a punter that speaks the language.

 

see a girl advertised as Italian and say 'buon giorno, come stai' and they look at you blankly and you immediately think you have been conned. Hardly makes for a good punt.  I said Hi to a so called Brazilian girl in Portuguese once.  Blank look -she was Polish.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

but it falls apart so quickly when you have a punter that speaks the language.

see a girl advertised as Italian and say 'buon giorno, come stai' and they look at you blankly and you immediately think you have been conned. Hardly makes for a good punt. I said Hi to a so called Brazilian girl in Portuguese once. Blank look -she was Polish.

Well that's fair enough. Ee should just use a different Ee country . How conned are you if she is the girl in the pictures and you have a stiffy as soon as she opens the door x Edited by Chloe Kisses
3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because girls from certain areas of certain countries do rightly fear guys from their home country's finding them and trying to pimp them.

 

Good point I suppose,and one that I wouldnt have thought of myself......

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

+1

Good info Chloe. I guess sometimes we just don't realise how tough life can be

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Chloe's right.  I built a website for a beautiful woman and had to pull it down really quickly because of the threats she got off men from her own race.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

Why do some Portuguese/Brazilian refer to themselves as Indian, when they really mean is that since a part of India ( Goa ) was once a Portuguese colony, they say they are Indian as they think it will bring more custom but in reality once they are rumbled as not being Indian they are probably losing custom.

 

 

Because in the context of Brazil, an Indian refers, rather legitimately, to an AmeriIndian. Some of the women from that part of the world will obviously have ancestry from one of the indigenous tribes, so saying that they are Indian isn't really misleading.

 

Would you really be pissed off if you booked an "Indian" lady and found out that she was 100% Apache blood?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because in the context of Brazil, an Indian refers, rather legitimately, to an AmeriIndian. Some of the women from that part of the world will obviously have ancestry from one of the indigenous tribes, so saying that they are Indian isn't really misleading.

 

Would you really be pissed off if you booked an "Indian" lady and found out that she was 100% Apache blood?

Would an Apache lady really refer to herself as Indian though as that comes from red indian which is a white term. Surely she would call herself either a Native American or go by a tribal reference even if not her own to help disguise who she really is. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why not call a spade ... a spade. ... 

 

Looking at profiles... Agencies & independents ( inc AW) , quite a few still refer to some girls nationality as "Eastern European".... Why?? .... What's wrong with putting the actual country they are from.

 

Ladies from "Western Europe" never use that term & always say which country they are from.

 

Ladies from the far east always list which country they are from.

 

Another thing that bugs me is why do profiles say " I am a tall lady ,,,,," but never actually say how tall they are.

 

Why do some Portuguese/Brazilian refer to themselves as Indian, when they really mean is that since a part of India ( Goa ) was once a Portuguese colony, they say they are Indian as they think it will bring more custom but in reality once they are rumbled as not being Indian they are probably losing custom. .... If other nationalities were to do this as well..... half the world would be british.

 

I am in a hotel, can't sleep & thought I would have a bit of a rant .... before you say it .... yes I have already had a punt :)

 

So should a Scottish WG call herself British ? She certainly doesn't have a "Scottish" Passport... (Yet)

 

Ethnic identity doesn't always sit well with a particular citizenship. Romania has a large Hungarian minority of almost 2 million, who rightly consider themselves Hungarian more than being "Romanian". Croats and Serbs in BiH do not consider themselves to be Bosnian...and Macedonia has a very large Albanian minority.

 
Also be outed as a citizen of a particular country is an invitation for blackmail and/or extortion. I know several WG from Muslim majority countries who advertise as Indian rather than by their own citizenship because they are very scared of been targeted by extremists if they could be identified as probably being Muslims. I also know 2nd generation WGs with British citizenship who identify as "Indian" because they come from UK Muslim communities.
 
I am of complete Sami descent but I certainly don't have a "Sami" passport, I speak better Russian than I do Finnish or Sami... but I have a British passport. 
 
I certainly think it would be rather deceptive if I advertised as a "100% Genuine British WG" but on the purple site I am listed as British because that is what it says on my passport.
 
BTW I am 5'5"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nobody commenting on the term "A Spade?"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Would an Apache lady really refer to herself as Indian though as that comes from red indian which is a white term. Surely she would call herself either a Native American or go by a tribal reference even if not her own to help disguise who she really is. 

 

I have no idea TBH.

 

Should a bloke be pissed off when the Indian escort he requested from an agency is a Gujarati rather than a Punjabi?

 

In light of the post-partition fisticuffs, is it OK for a Pakistani national to pass herself off as an Indian escort?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have no idea TBH.

 

Should a bloke be pissed off when the Indian escort he requested from an agency is a Gujarati rather than a Punjabi?

 

In light of the post-partition fisticuffs, is it OK for a Pakistani national to pass herself off as an Indian escort?

Could most non indian or non pakistani men even tell the difference?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As Inna said, ethnicity is often more complex than the country borders.

 

And even if you don't have pimps hunting you, the small population and culture where everyone knows everyone and their uncle makes it appealing to use the blanket term rather than going to the specifics. Coming from a country with population smaller than London definitely has caused some paranoia to me at least.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because girls from certain areas of certain countries do rightly fear guys from their home country's finding them and trying to pimp them.

I remember two polish guys coming for a walkin years ago, the Eastern European girls refused to say hello to them and some of them. Asked for their nationality to be changed online. Some areas are village areas and low population, low employment and the girls knew the guys would recognise their local accent if they were from nearby. Not hard to then drive around that area with pictures of them. The fears they explained that day were blackmail to work for them re the pictures or being followed after work by them and possible grabs x

If a girl is Czech so what if she goes out as Lithuanian to protect her identity, you still have the sexy Ee accent and if you don't find her attractive her nationality isn't going to change that.

I have also seen Romanian girls hesitant to see Romanian guys but they don't visit often I think anyway

The girls fears may have had credence or may have been groundless but they have the right to work without being scared which trumps everything else unless of course you are from the same country and want to see a girl from your homeland so you can speak in your own language but I think those guys would probably be a bit more sympathetic as they understand possible situations and motives x

 

Sounds like a pretty damn good reason !!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nobody commenting on the term "A Spade?"

 

Punternet is known for its Diversity awareness ^_^

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because girls from certain areas of certain countries do rightly fear guys from their home country's finding them and trying to pimp them.

I remember two polish guys coming for a walkin years ago, the Eastern European girls refused to say hello to them and some of them. Asked for their nationality to be changed online. Some areas are village areas and low population, low employment and the girls knew the guys would recognise their local accent if they were from nearby. Not hard to then drive around that area with pictures of them. The fears they explained that day were blackmail to work for them re the pictures or being followed after work by them and possible grabs x

If a girl is Czech so what if she goes out as Lithuanian to protect her identity, you still have the sexy Ee accent and if you don't find her attractive her nationality isn't going to change that.

I have also seen Romanian girls hesitant to see Romanian guys but they don't visit often I think anyway

The girls fears may have had credence or may have been groundless but they have the right to work without being scared which trumps everything else unless of course you are from the same country and want to see a girl from your homeland so you can speak in your own language but I think those guys would probably be a bit more sympathetic as they understand possible situations and motives x

 

Chloe, I don't think its the case, that girls afraid that somebody from theirs only country will try to get them "pimped". Most of them are quite smart girls and know how to deal with that kind of approaches. Also local accents in EE countries does not varies as much as in England, where only 20 miles travel between the places ( for example between Manchester, Sheffield, Liverpool) brings completely different accents.

 

If some Bulgarian start to talk to me in Russian I would not recognise that he is Bulgarian. Not that I will recongise if he is from Ulan Ude, in Buratia or Borisov in Bellorussia.  He would have plain Russian accent, apart of maybe very few phonetically different words, or dialects which can differentiate with mine. (but not a pronunciation or accent as such).

 

Can't see it will be a problem if somebody will recognise EE girls regional accents. Girls from all Baltic countries (Lit Lat, Est) can claim that they Russian and vise versa. (because majority of this girls are Russians, or can speak Russian without any accent). Hungarian can claim that they are Finnish, because of the similarity in languages. Lots of Romanians quite fluent in Italian. (albeit with accent, which only native Italian would know).  Ukrainian can be claim to be Russian, Bulgarian, Byelorussian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Latvian, etc and nobody would know any difference, unless somebody would start to question them about local places. Lots of other examples and to long to type.

 

As for OP saying that many girls claiming to be EE, without stating theirs nationality, its mostly agencies and parlours do it, because it just become a generic term, otherwise it will become to complex, especially when people have concerns if WGs are legally or not here.

 

For example, similar to Inna: I was born in Ukraine, however I don't have any Ukrainian blood (as far as I know going back to my ancestry to great great grand parents). Mostly I am Russian, with a mixture of Polish, Ingushetian and Jewish. However I am British national, as well as I have my Ukrainian passport too. So, I am not sure what "nationality" I should state.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Chloe, I don't think its the case, that girls afraid that somebody from theirs only country will try to get them "pimped". Most of them are quite smart girls and know how to deal with that kind of approaches. Also local accents in EE countries does not varies as much as in England, where only 20 miles travel between the places ( for example between Manchester, Sheffield, Liverpool) brings completely different accents.

 

If some Bulgarian start to talk to me in Russian I would not recognise that he is Bulgarian. Not that I will recongise if he is from Ulan Ude, in Buratia or Borisov in Bellorussia.  He would have plain Russian accent, apart of maybe very few phonetically different words, or dialects which can differentiate with mine. (but not a pronunciation or accent as such).

 

Can't see it will be a problem if somebody will recognise EE girls regional accents. Girls from all Baltic countries (Lit Lat, Est) can claim that they Russian and vise versa. (because majority of this girls are Russians, or can speak Russian without any accent). Hungarian can claim that they are Finnish, because of the similarity in languages. Lots of Romanians quite fluent in Italian. (albeit with accent, which only native Italian would know).  Ukrainian can be claim to be Russian, Bulgarian, Byelorussian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Latvian, etc and nobody would know any difference, unless somebody would start to question them about local places. Lots of other examples and to long to type.

 

As for OP saying that many girls claiming to be EE, without stating theirs nationality, its mostly agencies and parlours do it, because it just become a generic term, otherwise it will become to complex, especially when people have concerns if WGs are legally or not here.

 

For example, similar to Inna: I was born in Ukraine, however I don't have any Ukrainian blood (as far as I know going back to my ancestry to great great grand parents). Mostly I am Russian, with a mixture of Polish, Ingushetian and Jewish. However I am British national, as well as I have my Ukrainian passport too. So, I am not sure what "nationality" I should state.

Ingushetian definitely! :)

 

It sounds intriguingly exotic. I don't think there are many Ingushetian escorts here.

Edited by zipless

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ingushetian definitely! :)

 

It sounds intriguingly exotic. I don't think there are many Ingushetian escorts here.

Lol. I am only quarter of Ingushetian.  My grandfather (from my father side) was ingush. His father (my great-grandfather) was married 6 times, at one time with 5 wifes, as polygamy was accepted then, but without being exactly legal. (AFAIK). Still: he lived until 110yo..considering. ;-)

 

First and last time I seen him in his open coffin in 1976 in Grozny. He snuffed it 2 days before me and my family travel to meet him. I only remember (I was only a little kid then), that he had a massive nose. It was protruding from the coffin like a sail.  Luckily I did not inherited it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Lol. I am only quarter of Ingushetian.  My grandfather (from my father side) was ingush. His father (my great-grandfather) was married 6 times, at one time with 5 wifes, as polygamy was accepted then, but without being exactly legal. (AFAIK). Still: he lived until 110yo..considering. ;-)

 

First and last time I seen him in his open coffin in 1976 in Grozny. He snuffed it 2 days before me and my family travel to meet him. I only remember (I was only a little kid then), that he had a massive nose. It was protruding from the coffin like a sail.  Luckily I did not inherited it.

I don't think anybody would demand a DNA sample, although you'd probably spend the first half of every punt explaining "Ingushetian". :)

 

(I am reading Gogol's Dead Souls at the moment. I expect I will conflate your story about your grandfather with the events in the book :) )

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Punternet is known for its Diversity awareness ^_^

 

I always wondered about that. Where I come from (Florida) a shovel is a shovel and a spade is a mildly abusive racist term.

 

But if I cringe here when people use 'call a spade a spade', I'm informed it's a digging implement.

 

Is this going to have to be of those c-word conundrums, where it's offensive one place, but elsewhere people wonder what the big deal is?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I always wondered about that. Where I come from (Florida) a shovel is a shovel and a spade is a mildly abusive racist term.

 

But if I cringe here when people use 'call a spade a spade', I'm informed it's a digging implement.

 

Is this going to have to be of those c-word conundrums, where it's offensive one place, but elsewhere people wonder what the big deal is?

Decades of American television have familiarised us with this meaning :)

 

Do spades (the digging implement) not exist in the US? Trying to dig the garden with a shovel is very difficult.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was always under the impression, the racist term "spade" has nothing to do with the tool, but as far as I know is derived from the saying "as black as the ace of spades", so it has to do with the playing cards.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was always under the impression, the racist term "spade" has nothing to do with the tool, but as far as I know is derived from the saying "as black as the ace of spades", so it has to do with the playing cards.

I'm sure you are right but here the word can mean the digging implement or the card suit or the racist term.

 

In the US it seems that it can only either mean the card suit or the racist term. So what do they call a (digging implement) spade in America?

 

(Actually, I am beginning to tire of my own pedantry at this point :) )

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0