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Awful sensationalist rubbish. This is why I refuse to correspond with these scumbags. Someone from Channel 5 emailed me a few weeks ago - moved straight to spam folder!! :D

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The Daily Wail     pandering to the populist middle class female voter; without an original idea in their heads (the Wail not the women).

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Well, one day someone will make a documentary that shows this world accurately. I suspect you are all right that this one won't be it, but I shall give it a watch just on the off chance.

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I hope they highlight that it is the women's lack of regular immigration status that makes them so vulnerable to such exploitation. 

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I hope they highlight that it is the women's lack of regular immigration status that makes them so vulnerable to such exploitation.

That is exactly the type of steeotype about ladies in this industry that gets rammed down our throats with every programme I watch about prostitution. Exploited, vulnerable women who have little choice but to do what they do. Sure, these girls exist and highlighting their plight is a worthy thing to do. But there is SO much more to this industry than that. Just look at your mate Inna for instance. None of the ladies who are my regulars fit the stereotype you mention above.

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That is exactly the type of steeotype about ladies in this industry that gets rammed down our throats with every programme I watch about prostitution. Exploited, vulnerable women who have little choice but to do what they do. Sure, these girls exist and highlighting their plight is a worthy thing to do. But there is SO much more to this industry than that. Just look at your mate Inna for instance. None of the ladies who are my regulars fit the stereotype you mention above.

 

Let me explain Inna and I have British Passports even though we are not British born so we can speak out in the public domain etc Women who are undocumented or have irregular immigration status are always at risk of deportation so they can be threatened and exploited by others. 

 

They are not vulnerable because they are sex workers they are vulnerable because they do not have a regular immigration status. 

 

My concern is that women should have mobility rights that would allow them to work in the UK and then they could resist such exploitation. 

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Well, one day someone will make a documentary that shows this world accurately. I suspect you are all right that this one won't be it, but I shall give it a watch just on the off chance.

This.Also sometimes a biased view can still be interesting

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That is exactly the type of steeotype about ladies in this industry that gets rammed down our throats with every programme I watch about prostitution. Exploited, vulnerable women who have little choice but to do what they do. Sure, these girls exist and highlighting their plight is a worthy thing to do. But there is SO much more to this industry than that. Just look at your mate Inna for instance. None of the ladies who are my regulars fit the stereotype you mention above.

 

I agree KK.  Sorry Rani but that sort of exploitation is a story all of its own but not representative of the industry as whole as we know it.

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AS its directed by Nick Broomfield I suspect it will be balanced. He has made films in this area before. I suspect the Daily Mail has in usual fashion been selective in its review of the film and tried to sensationalize.

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I agree KK.  Sorry Rani but that sort of exploitation is a story all of its own but not representative of the industry as whole as we know it.

 

You seem to be assuming the programme is just going to be a hatchet job based on the DM write up.

 

  I'm not so sure,  I don't think Rani is suggesting that an I think she is probable right about the programme.   Hsiao-Hung Pai the Taiwanese journalist's own words are more subtle and she  has already written a book about the exploitation of illegals  Chinese Whispers: The True Story Behind Britain's Hidden Army of Labour that has very good review ratings on Amazon.

 

The comments on the DM story are also pretty positive, mostly pro legalisation.

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Well, one day someone will make a documentary that shows this world accurately. I suspect you are all right that this one won't be it, but I shall give it a watch just on the off chance.

 

Unfortunately good independent girls or well run parlours and agencies do not make for good television or newspaper fodder. A bit like Watchdog featuring honest businesses or traders. Makes for boring TV.

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I agree KK.  Sorry Rani but that sort of exploitation is a story all of its own but not representative of the industry as whole as we know it.

 It is not representative of sex work but it is a typical story for undocumented migrants, what I am saying is this is not a sex work problem but the consequence of poor immigration policy. 

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Poor immigration policy? If someone sneaks into a country on false documents or without the correct visa to stay and work, blatantly disregarding that counties immigration policies then who to blame? Not the government that's for sure. Sorry Rani but they only have themselves to blame. All countries have immigration policies and let's be honest now, this country is far more lenient than some despite the growing massive illegal immigrant population. A country only has certain resources and ours are massively over stretched.there is the old saying "make your own bed and lie in it. You cannot live in and work in a country where you are deliberatley flouting their laws and policies then moan that you don't have proper rights in that country. Not you obviously but the people you are talking about

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Poor immigration policy? If someone sneaks into a country on false documents or without the correct visa to stay and work, blatantly disregarding that counties immigration policies then who to blame? Not the government that's for sure. Sorry Rani but they only have themselves to blame. All countries have immigration policies and let's be honest now, this country is far more lenient than some despite the growing massive illegal immigrant population. A country only has certain resources and ours are massively over stretched.there is the old saying "make your own bed and lie in it. You cannot live in and work in a country where you are deliberatley flouting their laws and policies then moan that you don't have proper rights in that country. Not you obviously but the people you are talking about

 

Human rights are not conditional of citizenship or legal status, and laws that subvert people's rights are bad laws. The penalty for overstaying your visa should not being reduced to working in the conditions described in this programme. 

 

If the choice is women being compelled to return to abject poverty, or work in such conditions versus allowing them visas so they can work safely without any resort to the public purse then I would change the policy.

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I hate shows like that.   Maybe it's a generational thing, but it's funny how they push their conservative views as the "norm". 

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Unfortunately good independent girls or well run parlours and agencies do not make for good television or newspaper fodder. A bit like Watchdog featuring honest businesses or traders. Makes for boring TV.

 

Yes, but the viewer who doesn't know much about the prostitutition industry will presume ALL or most escorts are like that.  S/he won't know any better.  Shows like that thus make things harder for all concerned, whether punters or WGs.

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Poor immigration policy? If someone sneaks into a country on false documents or without the correct visa to stay and work, blatantly disregarding that counties immigration policies then who to blame? Not the government that's for sure. Sorry Rani but they only have themselves to blame. All countries have immigration policies and let's be honest now, this country is far more lenient than some despite the growing massive illegal immigrant population. A country only has certain resources and ours are massively over stretched.there is the old saying "make your own bed and lie in it. You cannot live in and work in a country where you are deliberatley flouting their laws and policies then moan that you don't have proper rights in that country. Not you obviously but the people you are talking about

 

Depends.  Even illegal immigrants have some rights, per international agreements. 

 

That said, it should be Cameron and co. strengthening the borders, and as head of government it's ultimately his responsibility. 

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The penalty for overstaying your visa should not being reduced to working in the conditions described in this programme.  If the choice is women being compelled to return to abject poverty, or work in such conditions versus allowing them visas so they can work safely without any resort to the public purse then I would change the policy.

I'm not entirely sure you understand why there is a need for an Immigration Policy in this country.

Any person who forces another person into sex work should be subject to the law and I would hope arrests follow on from this programme. I understand many travel to this country and have no idea what is in store for them. Those that exploit these people disgust me and it doesn't matter if they are illegal immigrants or not they would receive protection from the law. The authorities should be properly funded to seek out these brothels, arrest people and close them down. It doesn't matter how many ' happy hookers ' there are, it is totally irrelevant and we shouldn't be labelling it as sensationalism. The sex industry is taboo and for this reason many suffer.

It is bad enough that desperate people are exploited in other lines of work but the scenario outlined in this programme make me feel sick. Hats off to the production team behind this and I hope it helps.

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Poor immigration policy? If someone sneaks into a country on false documents or without the correct visa to stay and work, blatantly disregarding that counties immigration policies then who to blame? Not the government that's for sure. Sorry Rani but they only have themselves to blame. All countries have immigration policies and let's be honest now, this country is far more lenient than some despite the growing massive illegal immigrant population. A country only has certain resources and ours are massively over stretched.there is the old saying "make your own bed and lie in it. You cannot live in and work in a country where you are deliberatley flouting their laws and policies then moan that you don't have proper rights in that country. Not you obviously but the people you are talking about

I agree with this actually.

However, what about women who have been forced into sex work because they are an illegal immigrant by gangs that threaten the girl with deportation. The girl might have been happy with her cash in hand cleaning job but found herself forced into sex work.

Or those kidnapped and sold into sex work, forcibly sent to other Countries to work.

Rani is right about one thing, the issue isn't sex work its the exploitation of illegal immigrants.

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Human rights are not conditional of citizenship or legal status, and laws that subvert people's rights are bad laws. The penalty for overstaying your visa should not being reduced to working in the conditions described in this programme.

If the choice is women being compelled to return to abject poverty, or work in such conditions versus allowing them visas so they can work safely without any resort to the public purse then I would change the policy.

You're arguing two different things here. What if it wasn't sex work but an illegal immigrant male working as a builder.

Is it right that he should stay here and prevent a person who has the legal right to stay here, work and pay tax from having the option of that job.

Yes, for the illegal immigrant going back to his country may mean poverty but his being here and the cumulative weight of all the illegal immigrants have on the country creates much larger social and economic problems for all of us with the legal right to stay.

The UK is not a safe haven, it is also a very small island - people forget that. There is nothing wrong with legal immigrants but no, we shouldn't accommodate illegal immigrants in the same way.

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the issue isn't sex work its the exploitation of illegal immigrants.

What do you mean "the" issue? Surely there are dozens, if not hundreds, of issues where paid sex work is concerned. To pick on that one is a bit like herd mentality.

To be honest, I shall not be watching if that is "the" sole issue the programme concentrates on. It's been done to death as far as I am concerned.

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What do you mean "the" issue? Surely there are dozens, if not hmumseds, of issues where paid sex work is concerned. To pick on that one is a bit like herd mentality.

To be honest, I shall not be watching if that is "the" sole issue the programme concentrates on. It's been done to death as far as I am concerned.

I'm not going to argue semantics over the word "the".

TV programmes can very rarely encompass the entirety of all issues pertaining to a given subject. Therefore it focuses on an aspect of a few of them.

In the context of this programme it appears it will focus on the exploitation of 'illegal immigrants and sex work'.

Other equally important issues that may not be covered is the increasing number of students choosing sex work or single mums. These may be the direct result of the economy/benefit reduction/increase in zero hour contracts. They may not even be seen as negative or exploitive as the illegal immigrant/sex work issue but they are issues nonetheless. The point is that due to time constraints the programme may not be able to cover everything.

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I'm not going to argue semantics over the word "the".TV programmes can very rarely encompass the entirety of all issues pertaining to a given subject. Therefore it focuses on an aspect of a few of them.In the context of this programme it appears it will focus on the exploitation of 'illegal immigrants and sex work'.Other equally important issues that may not be covered is the increasing number of students choosing sex work or single mums. These may be the direct result of the economy/benefit reduction/increase in zero hour contracts. They may not even be seen as negative or exploitive as the illegal immigrant/sex work issue but they are issues nonetheless. The point is that due to time constraints the programme may not be able to cover everything.

Good post.

I agree totally that one programme shouldn't try and cover every aspect of the industry. I just will be disappointed if the focus is once again on the exploited immigrant workers and us foul men who prey on their desperation. Your other suggestions of students or single mums would be a lot fresher topics to concentrate on imho.

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