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Small piece in the Evening Standard today.

 

"Sex workers protested today when they were evicted from a brothel. They fear being forced into street prostitution after being thrown out of two flats in Romilly Street last night. The English Collective of Prostitutes held a protest outside the flats freeholder Soho Estates, founded by porn baron Paul Raymond. Soho Estates said it had acted on police notice."

 

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I have visited on of these flats many times and wonder why they have been evicted. The girls there are always friendly and nice and do not seem like they were forced to work there. There are much worse flats in soho. 

 

Im sure something like this happened a few years ago as well which lead to a protest and a flat re opening. 

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Paul Raymond's heiress granddaughter was on TV not long ago, promising to "clean up" Soho. Nothing to do with brothels being illegal or immoral (whatever that is), and much more to do with gentrification, and increasing property values. It's all about money, not our supposed transgressions.

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Paul Raymond's heiress granddaughter was on TV not long ago, promising to "clean up" Soho. Nothing to do with brothels being illegal or immoral (whatever that is), and much more to do with gentrification, and increasing property values. It's all about money, not our supposed transgressions.

Read something along those lines myself.Cleaning up and also clearing out some of the property portfolio.Isn't she also closing the club?

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Small piece in the Evening Standard today.

 

"Sex workers protested today when they were evicted from a brothel. They fear being forced into street prostitution after being thrown out of two flats in Romilly Street last night. The English Collective of Prostitutes held a protest outside the flats freeholder Soho Estates, founded by porn baron Paul Raymond. Soho Estates said it had acted on police notice."

IMO this is clearly about getting these premises closed down in preparation for the re-development and the legal rights and wrongs are of no importance to the police or council. I doubt they will even try to prosecute anyone for running a brothel, obviously we shall see on that though. Previous attempts at prosecution of similar places for running a brothel have been mainly unsuccessful as they werent proved to have actually been brothels. Get them out and worry about any possible consequences afterwards seems to be the mantra here.

 

We are of course talking about multi-millionaires with legal resources against a relatively small number of WGs here ultimately. The council see such developments as progress and good all round. Apart from protest what can the WGs actually do about this. Not a lot in my view.

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IMO this is clearly about getting these premises closed down in preparation for the re-development and the legal rights and wrongs are of no importance to the police or council. I doubt they will even try to prosecute anyone for running a brothel, obviously we shall see on that though. Previous attempts at prosecution of similar places for running a brothel have been mainly unsuccessful as they werent proved to have actually been brothels. Get them out and worry about any possible consequences afterwards seems to be the mantra here.

 

We are of course talking about multi-millionaires with legal resources against a relatively small number of WGs here ultimately. The council see such developments as progress and good all round. Apart from protest what can the WGs actually do about this. Not a lot in my view.

Bang on Smiths. Prime location. It's all about the money.   :cool:

 

The number of prostitutes that work in Soho walk ups are tiny. There's no trouble and the police/council turn a blind eye. If they cared about the 'morality', they could close down the whole lot in a nano second, just the same as any other parlour in the UK and the clip joints too.  Soho is pretty tame, in my opinion and I think a certain degree of false  'notoriety' is encouraged. It's good for the local economy.  :cool:

 

I doubt these girls will end up on the streets? The vast majority are foreign and will either stop, work via tart cards in new premises or end up on the www

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WGs at Soho walk ups have to pay more than £200 a day to rent a flat. That's £200 per day, not per week. Who else is going to pay the owners that amount of money? I think the reason it has been going on so long is because no-one else is going to pay that kind of money. Perhaps the granddaughter isn't even interested in money. What does she care?

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That's a shame - the wikispaces soho page suggests it's 26 rather than 34 Rommilly, one of my faves - fortunes of war I guess

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WGs at Soho walk ups have to pay more than £200 a day to rent a flat. That's £200 per day, not per week. Who else is going to pay the owners that amount of money? I think the reason it has been going on so long is because no-one else is going to pay that kind of money. Perhaps the granddaughter isn't even interested in money. What does she care?

He left her the lions share of his assets

Heres from an article shortly after he died

Raymond left an estate in the UK worth £74,535,206, reduced after liabilities to £74,286,106. It is far less than the £650 million that he was thought to be worth when he died of respiratory failure.

But it is believed that a large part of his wealth may have been held in trusts or companies that did not feature in his personal estates.

Once added to the business assets http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/10008764/King-of-Soho-Paul-Raymonds-21-year-old-granddaughter-is-youngest-of-Britains-1000-richest-people.html

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Wish the Sphinx De Police at the Local Council will fuck off and do something useful like trying to work out how to sack incompetents who sit on their fat arse all day.

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I'm not convinced that it is purely about money. Sure that's part of it, and that's the motivation for many of the stakeholders in this. But does the Raymond heiress really need more, and why does she suddenly have moral qualms about Soho considering how her family made its money? There has been a radical feminist drive to crack down on prostitution in this country for some time now, and feminist lobbies have the ear of the lawmakers and policymakers in this country- you just have to look at some of the things going on recently, check out what is happening in the media, twitter rows about freedom of speech, sexism etc. Then consider their attitude toward prostitution. Influential MPs have already talked about criminalising punters here. They're not just going to storm in tomorrow and shut every parlour and brothel down- but they will do it slowly and by stealth, changing the law gradually so that you will barely notice- that way you won't kick up a fuss or do anything inconvenient.

 

The UK is already the most CCTV-monitored country and is on its way to becoming the most legally regulated country in the world in terms of targeting behaviour that can be prosecuted. In London we are encouraged to "report any suspicious behaviour' while on our daily commute. I believe that the freedom and liberations that society enjoyed from the 1960s onwards, peaking in the 1970s and 1980s, is becoming slowly replaced by a new kind of Puritanism for the 21st century, not led by religious leaders this time but instead led by 'Feminazi' zealots and the like, taking the guise of well-meaning liberals.

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Touching on from this post, its true that when a wg is removed or leaves her bedsit she ends up somewhere else.

 

I clearly no this because in the past a wg from romilly st was seen again by me in my locality.

Im sure that she left by her own accord as she was a scorcher of a girl and her fees was more than at Soho.

 

I dont think for a minute that Soho sex trade should or will end, its not bothering the council, residents, businesses and crime.

I have yet to come across any kind of these problems to date. 

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 But does the Raymond heiress really need more,

 

Money brings with it greed, and even the wealthiest of people still always think they need more. Enough is never enough!

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are all the walk ups owned by the raymond heiress? how about sheperds market?

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are all the walk ups owned by the raymond heiress? how about sheperds market?

I don't think they all are. There are ways to find out. The Land Registry, but it costs a couple of quid to get the information. I did it with one of the walk ups and it wasn't Soho Estates. Someone on the Soho Walk-Ups thread was saying the police want to close the walk ups because of money laundering, not by the sex workers or the maids, but by companies that rent the flats. Perhaps they could sell the flats to the WGs or the maids.

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I don't think they all are. There are ways to find out. The Land Registry, but it costs a couple of quid to get the information. I did it with one of the walk ups and it wasn't Soho Estates. Someone on the Soho Walk-Ups thread was saying the police want to close the walk ups because of money laundering, not by the sex workers or the maids, but by companies that rent the flats. Perhaps they could sell the flats to the WGs or the maids.

 

sell the flats to the working girls is an interesting idea... it would need some thinking about to prevent it being taken over by the nefarious... perhaps could never work but an interesting thought...

 

the money laundering thing is a strange one... the scene down there involves villains no doubt, but I thought you needed a legitimate business to launder money... and we know some of the characters that rent these places... women like wendy, streetwise but not a threat to anybody... the police always generalise and use phrases like "organised crime" ... usually to make themselves look good or to excuse their bad behaviour/incompetence... i know some of the girls bank their money and have mortgages etc and to do this they have to have a legit income... so they declare their income and complete returns etc and i wonder if this is where the money laundering thing has come from? if so, it's fucking discraceful and just another example of victimising the wg's... they are paying tax for fucks sake.

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i think they're just making way for starbucks and costa etc

 

i remember a few years back westminster council tried to give that chinese indoor market to one of these shopping mall companies like "Arndale" or whatever... there was a bit of a row and they somehow got stopped... but i recon thats the way soho is going... they talk about "organised crime" but it sounds more like high level corruption to me, dressed up as "development"

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