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Girls who change the goalposts.

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Ok some girls do and some girls dont we all know that and the PFR system and forum comments help a lot in sorting it out, but girls do suddenly alter their services provided for a variety of reasons. Sometimes these are flagged up, sometimes not. Undoubtedly there is influence by the doctors who make every sex act sound dangerous and I suspect by fellow WG's. I have noticed trends where suddenly all girls aren't allowing touching, or by financial motives, witness the increased offering of BB services on the other site.

I remember seeing Brooke of MK and being really disappointed because she had withdrawn form CIM/swallow when the PFR.s pointed to those services being available.

So sometimes the old PFR,s that you have given to girls really are no longer appropriate. I have said in the past that I think they should be discarded and follow up reports be allowed after say 12 months but I see no sign of this being altered, so for the record the big changes on local girls in my area that I think I should flag up.

Naughty Holly, no longer does either CIM or Facials that I mentioned.

Teen Scarlett no longer does OWO and is more dom than sub in her ways these days.

Amy of Letchworth. I suggested services to shallow owo available. She does in fact allow CIM, toys, T and T, A play.

Preety of Hitchin. I reported OWO however I will report back as she may of changed this to only OW, upside A play seems to be ok.

Sally at HOD, seems to be more adventurous with toys, BJ, intimate touching and A play etc although still deffo NO on cim/facials.

I still believe you should be able to put up a second report on a girl after 12 months for this precise reason. Current reports upto 12 mths old are much more likely to give a truer reflection of the current state of play.

Views please, hopefully G can be open to changes.

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Are these services being changed on their web profiles too though ?

If they are still offering these services at their discretion and they refuse them with a client that's their right as a human being. If the client goes onto to write a report stating the services were not offered to him then other clients can go onto make their own conclusions on that.

If you know they are advertising these services and they're carte blanche refusing them once the client has his 'pants down' then you should bring this to the attention of the agency she works for or try and have a 'out of an appointment' discussion with her if she is an indie.

We know one girl who online offers very 'vanilla' services but has a few clients she feels comfortable with as offers a full fat dirty porn minx services with. One of those lucky ones wrote a report and the back lash we got as agency was unbelievable but who are we to argue if a girl likes one client more than another. That's what makes them human.

However i am working on 'Frankensteins Whore', the first one I made I forgot to remove the brain. She came to life, smiled a me then proceeded to tie me up rob me and drive off in my car.

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Ok some girls do and some girls dont we all know that and the PFR system and forum comments help a lot in sorting it out, but girls do suddenly alter their services provided for a variety of reasons. Sometimes these are flagged up, sometimes not. Undoubtedly there is influence by the doctors who make every sex act sound dangerous and I suspect by fellow WG's. I have noticed trends where suddenly all girls aren't allowing touching, or by financial motives, witness the increased offering of BB services on the other site.

I remember seeing Brooke of MK and being really disappointed because she had withdrawn form CIM/swallow when the PFR.s pointed to those services being available.

..chopped...

Sally at HOD, seems to be more adventurous with toys, BJ, intimate touching and A play etc although still deffo NO on cim/facials.

I still believe you should be able to put up a second report on a girl after 12 months for this precise reason. Current reports upto 12 mths old are much more likely to give a truer reflection of the current state of play.

Views please, hopefully G can be open to changes.

Just to point out that Brooke MAY do CIM if your very nice to her and clean. She offered me it on Monday. But I declined as we only had 10 mins left (apparently) so went for sex instead. (I still left dissapointed but for another reason other than her service)

Sally doesnt do CIM or facials but she doesnt advertise them anyway. Surprised you can get to see her I havent been able to see her since May and she works down in London most of the time.

I agree that if the booking is very different from the orginal FR then it probably should go through if its from the same guy. I.e. a FR for a girl for 30 minutes and another for 3 hours could be classed as two different bookings if they are very different or if its been a few years since the last one and services are different.

Personally, now Jessies left and Sally seems impossible to book or get to see Ive been drifting around doing quite a few shorter bookings trying to find someone who Id want to see for longer bookings as thats what I like. Currently have one or two in mind after visiting (but Im not saying as I did that for sally and jessie and they became too busy to get to see them ;) ) but there are have been a strange rise in what even Id call dissapointing. Not enough for what Id call a bad FR and details are not what she'd want published on the web but I probably wont go back to see them.

On the side note, (I punted this lunchtime and its still playing on my mind) if a girl doesnt want to do a service then fine, no means no, no problem, however, Id like to point out that if a GUY doesnt want a service and says no then No still means no!

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Ok some girls do and some girls dont we all know that and the PFR system and forum comments help a lot in sorting it out, but girls do suddenly alter their services provided for a variety of reasons. Sometimes these are flagged up, sometimes not. Undoubtedly there is influence by the doctors who make every sex act sound dangerous and I suspect by fellow WG's. I have noticed trends where suddenly all girls aren't allowing touching, or by financial motives, witness the increased offering of BB services on the other site.

I remember seeing Brooke of MK and being really disappointed because she had withdrawn form CIM/swallow when the PFR.s pointed to those services being available.

So sometimes the old PFR,s that you have given to girls really are no longer appropriate. I have said in the past that I think they should be discarded and follow up reports be allowed after say 12 months but I see no sign of this being altered, so for the record the big changes on local girls in my area that I think I should flag up.

Naughty Holly, no longer does either CIM or Facials that I mentioned.

Teen Scarlett no longer does OWO and is more dom than sub in her ways these days.

Amy of Letchworth. I suggested services to shallow owo available. She does in fact allow CIM, toys, T and T, A play.

Preety of Hitchin. I reported OWO however I will report back as she may of changed this to only OW, upside A play seems to be ok.

Sally at HOD, seems to be more adventurous with toys, BJ, intimate touching and A play etc although still deffo NO on cim/facials.

I still believe you should be able to put up a second report on a girl after 12 months for this precise reason. Current reports upto 12 mths old are much more likely to give a truer reflection of the current state of play.

Views please, hopefully G can be open to changes.

As you may recall from previous threads about this, i totally agree. This also should apply to Parties where i was told is was superflous to submit more than 1 FR EVER per Party Establishment. Absolutely unfair IMO, Parties change ladies on a very regular basis and some Establishments and/or ladies go from very good to poor in a few months as i personally experienced last year. Certain ladies also change services, mostly from a few starting with OW and changing to OWO. Being able to submit FRs on ladies or Parties every 12 months is to the advantage of punters i believe.

This rigid rule along with not being allowed to do an FR on a punt where you have confirmed everything, travelled to hers or the Establishment, or she has travelled to you only to find she has lied to you about any aspect of the punt, and you walk or ask her to leave without any money changing hands should be within the scope of an FR. In good faith you have trusted her or her place of works word and ifs she lied an FR should be allowed to be done in my view. You could try what i did while preparing to walk earlier this year, give the lady £1 but i thought she was going to get physically violent, she in fact gave me a mouthful of abuse in a language i didnt understand but this and the very hard slamming of doors gave me a clue she wasnt happy.;) Of course you could lie and say you did give some money, but i wouldnt do that personally.:)

These are the 2 main reasons i stopped submitting FRs, i disagree with the present system fundamentally.

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I am also of the opinion that more than one FR should be allowed, although I think the minimum gap should be 6 months and not a year.

Not only can a girl's services change but her attitude can also go downhill, under the current system there is no way of giving an update. ;)

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I always find it hard to decide if repeat reviews should be allowed

The reasons for the goalposts changing can be many. as someone has already said, a girl may only be comfortable doing services with someone she trusts.

If you are a regular she may be so sick of the sight of you that she gives a worse performance, or figure you will come back anyway so why put in the effort.

the best indication of how a girl reacts to a new punter is if the review is of the first visit.

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Yes I agree that FR should be allowed after 6 months, a year Is to long IMO.

But we've been saying this a long time, and I guess Galahad Isn't going to change things anytime soon.

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Just to point out that Brooke MAY do CIM if your very nice to her and clean. She offered me it on Monday. But I declined as we only had 10 mins left (apparently) so went for sex instead. (I still left dissapointed but for another reason other than her service)

Sally doesnt do CIM or facials but she doesnt advertise them anyway. Surprised you can get to see her I havent been able to see her since May and she works down in London most of the time.

I agree that if the booking is very different from the orginal FR then it probably should go through if its from the same guy. I.e. a FR for a girl for 30 minutes and another for 3 hours could be classed as two different bookings if they are very different or if its been a few years since the last one and services are different.

Personally, now Jessies left and Sally seems impossible to book or get to see Ive been drifting around doing quite a few shorter bookings trying to find someone who Id want to see for longer bookings as thats what I like. Currently have one or two in mind after visiting (but Im not saying as I did that for sally and jessie and they became too busy to get to see them ;) ) but there are have been a strange rise in what even Id call dissapointing. Not enough for what Id call a bad FR and details are not what she'd want published on the web but I probably wont go back to see them.

On the side note, (I punted this lunchtime and its still playing on my mind) if a girl doesnt want to do a service then fine, no means no, no problem, however, Id like to point out that if a GUY doesnt want a service and says no then No still means no!

I suggest you phone early on the day. I normaly phone about 10-15 and nearly always get in to see the girl of my choice on the same day. I dont know what HOD,s policy is on booking days in advance.

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I am also of the opinion that more than one FR should be allowed, although I think the minimum gap should be 6 months and not a year.

Not only can a girl's services change but her attitude can also go downhill, under the current system there is no way of giving an update. ;)

I would propose that, rather than a new FR, reviewers should be permitted to add an update note after a year / six months. I think that it should be a relatively easy matter to include an update field in the database - the mechanism seems to be there already as evident from the lady's ability to add a rebutal.

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Just to point out that Brooke MAY do CIM if your very nice to her and clean. She offered me it on Monday. But I declined as we only had 10 mins left (apparently) so went for sex instead. (I still left dissapointed but for another reason other than her service)

Sally doesnt do CIM or facials but she doesnt advertise them anyway. Surprised you can get to see her I havent been able to see her since May and she works down in London most of the time.

I agree that if the booking is very different from the orginal FR then it probably should go through if its from the same guy. I.e. a FR for a girl for 30 minutes and another for 3 hours could be classed as two different bookings if they are very different or if its been a few years since the last one and services are different.

Personally, now Jessies left and Sally seems impossible to book or get to see Ive been drifting around doing quite a few shorter bookings trying to find someone who Id want to see for longer bookings as thats what I like. Currently have one or two in mind after visiting (but Im not saying as I did that for sally and jessie and they became too busy to get to see them ;) ) but there are have been a strange rise in what even Id call dissapointing. Not enough for what Id call a bad FR and details are not what she'd want published on the web but I probably wont go back to see them.

On the side note, (I punted this lunchtime and its still playing on my mind) if a girl doesnt want to do a service then fine, no means no, no problem, however, Id like to point out that if a GUY doesnt want a service and says no then No still means no!

That is interesting. I also noticed for a short while a levels appeared against Brooke on the HOD website but were then removed again. I guess with Brooke the level of service may be very dependent on the individual punter.

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I would propose that, rather than a new FR, reviewers should be permitted to add an update note after a year / six months. I think that it should be a relatively easy matter to include an update field in the database - the mechanism seems to be there already as evident from the lady's ability to add a rebutal.

A good idea but it wouldn't come the attention of many people unless they were really doing some in depth research surely?

If you wanted to see a girl who perhaps had 30+ field reports like Petra or Felicity for instance, how far back would you read them ? Someone who saw her in 2006 may have updated that report but it may not come to the attention of the masses?

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That is interesting. I also noticed for a short while a levels appeared against Brooke on the HOD website but were then removed again. I guess with Brooke the level of service may be very dependent on the individual punter.

No the level of service is down to her state of mind, peer pressure, financial requirements and general mood. Harsh but true, these things have to be said so you the client can see how difficult our position is.

Anyone who knows us (mr and mrs divine) on a business level will know that we put a great deal of effort into customer service and client satisfaction. Not saying we always get it right but we try hard to please.

This is not always cascaded down to the girls or indeed the receptionists in the same way. We try to approach every thing in the same way we would if were running a shop open to the general public. However you must appreciate that the girls are sometimes lacking in vision and do not see the bigger picture.

We always tell girls that smiling and warmth will win you a regular client. Disdain could end your career.

Each and every client is important to us please believe that but any agency is only as good as it's girls. Presently there is a trend to 'squeeze' the girls for every ounce of effort and services by every client, something that was not happening 4-5 years ago. Some girls are adapting others are not. For us it's a balancing act of customer satisfaction and high moral from our staff at all times with all clients.

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I would like to point out also that there are thousands of parlours all over the country and ladies change their services in all of them from time to time. I dont understand why its mostly Divine girls that are coming under fire. Brooke may have offered swallowing when she first embarked on her career as a wg,but probably learnt very quickly just how dangerous it is (the advantage of working with so many other ladies is that you benefit from their collective wisdom). To expect divine to up-date the website on a minute to minute basis is over the top,or any parlour either but to keep completley up to date that is what they would have to do.

example..Ladie offers a-level..guy pays for a-level...guy gets a-level...guy then proceed to not start gently as the lady asks but goes for the "spear her with my cock" approach...after the appointment the lady has a very sore bum and decides she is not going to offer a-level for a couple of hours until her bot is feeling better.

This type of occurance happens from time to time,sometimes guys dont tell you when they are about to come,and it hits the back of your throat and makes you gag,if makes you very wary of the next guy,this is not unprofessional,it is human nature.One girl could taste wee in her mouth after she had done cim on a guy and couldnt face the thought of doing it again for a few months,it happens. The best thing is to ask when you make the booking and our receptionists will always know if a lady has suspended a service for a few hours.It is every ladies right to do the services they want to and complaining on here and finger pointing at certain ladies is unfair.

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Most service providers in any industry have clauses in their contracts that give them the right to suspend or change services/charges at any time and they do do it.

I know we aren't as regulated as those but it is also up to personal preference/experience. For example someone who has had a bad experience or decides they really don't like doing certain things certainly has the right to change their mind, otherwise they could possibly be said to be performing that act under the duress of the client.

Funny thing is when I've been off ill or not working I've actually had guys ask if I will instead offer something slightly different. Ummm if I'm not available or unwell just doesn't make sense at all.

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I would propose that, rather than a new FR, reviewers should be permitted to add an update note after a year / six months.
A good idea but it wouldn't come the attention of many people unless they were really doing some in depth research surely?

I agree with Divine ------- an up to date FR is the only way to go. ;);)

If I do research I would not go back any futher than six months. :)

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the best indication of how a girl reacts to a new punter is if the review is of the first visit

That's tautology - if it's a review of a first visit, the guy must be a new punter ;)

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I agree with Divine ------- an up to date FR is the only way to go. ;);)

If I do research I would not go back any futher than six months. :)

Surely if a lady you are interested in has reports going back two or three years you would check them all out, wouldn't you? I think updates would be excellent: the reader could see both what she is like on a first meeting and any ways in which she might improve or go off on closer acquaintance.

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Surely if a lady you are interested in has reports going back two or three years you would check them all out, wouldn't you?

Maybe if she had a dozen reports ------- not if she had 50+ reports.

I have no interest in 3 year old reports, she may have entered the industry with a lot of enthusiasm and now hates ever minute that she works.

I am only interest in recent reports, within the last 6 months.;)

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I suggest you phone early on the day. I normaly phone about 10-15 and nearly always get in to see the girl of my choice on the same day. I dont know what HOD,s policy is on booking days in advance.

Actually I do. I used to phone up just before going to see her but was always booked.

Now I try and book by sneaking out of the office at 10 to phone them up and book for later that day. (and pray that work doesnt get in the way)

But thanks for that. Now everyone will be doing the same. ;)

If I go for a longer booking Ive usually booked as soon as I seen her pop up when the schedule is refreshed on the sunday evening. Even if its days away.

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If you book a day in advance make sure you phone up on the day, just in case shes running late or not going to turn up.

One or twice Ive turned up all nice clean, shaved, only to find shes not around for the 2 hour booking.

Not always a total loss thou. I used the money to see about 4 of the other girls instead. ;)

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Yes I agree that FR should be allowed after 6 months, a year Is to long IMO.

But we've been saying this a long time, and I guess Galahad Isn't going to change things anytime soon.

Seems Galahad has changed or at least relaxed the rules at least with reference to referring to Adultw0rk which i had FRs rejected for and had to re-submit, being told any reference to the site or the using of the ladies other site nicknames would ensure the FR was rejected. I have read others recently that use the abbreviation A/W as well.

In FR 94522 board member Dreamweaverman recommends not only the lady in that FR but lists 9 others he has done FRs on, and gives their Adultw0rk names in brackets, so perhaps other FR rules will be changed or relaxed.:o

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Seems Galahad has changed or at least relaxed the rules at least with reference to referring to Adultw0rk which i had FRs rejected for and had to re-submit, being told any reference to the site or the using of the ladies other site nicknames would ensure the FR was rejected. I have read others recently that use the abbreviation A/W as well.

In FR 94522 board member Dreamweaverman recommends not only the lady in that FR but lists 9 others he has done FRs on, and gives their Adultw0rk names in brackets, so perhaps other FR rules will be changed or relaxed.:o

That's both interesting and welcome. It'll be good to see how this develops. I too think that the ability to either update a PFR or (preferably) add a new one after a period of time would be useful.

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Seems Galahad has changed or at least relaxed the rules at least with reference to referring to Adultw0rk

The software does not allow any mention of ADULTW0RK but as you can see there are ways of getting round this. :o

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That's both interesting and welcome. It'll be good to see how this develops. I too think that the ability to either update a PFR or (preferably) add a new one after a period of time would be useful.

Either a new FR every 6 or 12 months seems the way forward IMO, that would solve 1 of my 2 major disagreements with the system. Being able to mention Adultw0rk and the ladies nicknames on there in FRs is also a step forward in my view.:o

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The software does not allow any mention of ADULTW0RK but as you can see there are ways of getting round this. :o

We know this is true of the boards Jimmy, but the FR system is seperate and it is unclear whether references to a d u l t w o r k in an FR are caught automatically or via proof reading.

I myself have had an FR rejected for simply referring to "the other site", so it's not just direct references that cause problems. I suspect that Galahad still proof reads them all, hence them being released in batches every couple of days or so.

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