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I normally post on an escort forum but think it's time to try and get the male opinion on some things so this is my first post,

I am a 19 y/o outcall escort, no kinky stuff but I do covered penetration, OWO, DFK, all positions inc doggy, etc.

My rate is £120/hour which I think is higher than city girls but I live rurally so I often travel for 1/2+ hours and I only work 1/2 days a week max so I always work hard for my rate.

 

Someone I saw a few times and really enjoyed seeing has messaged me asking about a non-sex booking - he described it as 'playing, dressing up, massage' with the idea that if it goes well it could become weekly.

He asked my rate for this sort of fun semi-sexual booking and I said 80 because my social rate is 60 (50% of normal rate, so 80 is 66% since I still have to do everything I would for a normal booking in terms of preparation and travel, except the actual penetration but obviously all other services would be on offer).

He indicated he was hoping for lower than my social rate, am I expecting too much? He finds me very attractive and has enjoyed seeing me in the past, would you be happy to pay the same amount for a girl you enjoyed? Thanks in advance :)

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I normally post on an escort forum but think it's time to try and get the male opinion on some things so this is my first post,

I am a 19 y/o outcall escort, no kinky stuff but I do covered penetration, OWO, DFK, all positions inc doggy, etc.

My rate is £120/hour which I think is higher than city girls but I live rurally so I often travel for 1/2+ hours and I only work 1/2 days a week max so I always work hard for my rate.

 

Someone I saw a few times and really enjoyed seeing has messaged me asking about a non-sex booking - he described it as 'playing, dressing up, massage' with the idea that if it goes well it could become weekly.

He asked my rate for this sort of fun semi-sexual booking and I said 80 because my social rate is 60 (50% of normal rate, so 80 is 66% since I still have to do everything I would for a normal booking in terms of preparation and travel, except the actual penetration but obviously all other services would be on offer).

He indicated he was hoping for lower than my social rate, am I expecting too much? He finds me very attractive and has enjoyed seeing me in the past, would you be happy to pay the same amount for a girl you enjoyed? Thanks in advance :)

 

All sounds very complicated to me.  Most girls charge for their time not services I think and don't you still have the same preparation time involved? 

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You could also have the option of a full-rate sexual booking. It's entirely up to you but I'd say oral, kissing etc is a sexual service and quite a reasonable number of bookings don't include intercourse, either through choice, because it doesn't happen or because we end up having just as much fun with oral sex.

 

It sounds like he wants a discount for simply not having intercourse, so it's becoming payment by services and I would consider oral as intimate/sexual as vagional intercourse.

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I normally post on an escort forum but think it's time to try and get the male opinion on some things so this is my first post,

I am a 19 y/o outcall escort, no kinky stuff but I do covered penetration, OWO, DFK, all positions inc doggy, etc.

My rate is £120/hour which I think is higher than city girls but I live rurally so I often travel for 1/2+ hours and I only work 1/2 days a week max so I always work hard for my rate.

 

Someone I saw a few times and really enjoyed seeing has messaged me asking about a non-sex booking - he described it as 'playing, dressing up, massage' with the idea that if it goes well it could become weekly.

He asked my rate for this sort of fun semi-sexual booking and I said 80 because my social rate is 60 (50% of normal rate, so 80 is 66% since I still have to do everything I would for a normal booking in terms of preparation and travel, except the actual penetration but obviously all other services would be on offer).

He indicated he was hoping for lower than my social rate, am I expecting too much? He finds me very attractive and has enjoyed seeing me in the past, would you be happy to pay the same amount for a girl you enjoyed? Thanks in advance :)

Sorry Chloe, but this guy is either a chancer or extremely naive.  

 

If you are going to snog him and indeed do OWO you are providing the premium sexual services most of us guys enjoy, therefore he  shouldn't expect any discount.

 

Edit:  Just seen Strawberry's post, and she's phrased it much more eloquently than me, so I can but echo that  uncovered oral is at least as intimate as covered vaginal sex (and possibly riskier)

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So he saw you for full service, but now wants to see you for a non-sexual booking at under half your usual rate?? That's a bit strange unless he has recently discovered his dick has fallen off.

 

It sounds like he wants you there on the cheap and maybe hopes you'll then slip into doing what you normally do and offering sexual services, maybe kissing & oral as Strawberry says.

 

There are all sorts of arrangements in this business, as long as both parties are happy there's not a problem. You met the guy, you know how much work you're attracting at full rate, you need to decide if you're going to do a special for him and what it actually will involve.

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You could also have the option of a full-rate sexual booking. It's entirely up to you but I'd say oral, kissing etc is a sexual service and quite a reasonable number of bookings don't include intercourse, either through choice, because it doesn't happen or because we end up having just as much fun with oral sex.

 

It sounds like he wants a discount for simply not having intercourse, so it's becoming payment by services and I would consider oral as intimate/sexual as vagional intercourse.

Apologies for the repetitiveness, I was a second too late with my editing.

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Hmm, recently, I looked for a strictly non-sexual outcall massage around London and the going rate for the first hour is £50, somewhere around that rate I think would be reasonable.

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Sorry re-read your first post if he wants oral included for £50 that's taking the piss.  And if you have to travel far that's not fair either.  Hope you stick up for yourself and don't let him rip you off. :)

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Hi escortchloe, welcome to the forum.

 

Given that you only have a limited amount of time to escort in the first place, do you really want to spend this in cut price deals, or should you not focus on your core business and maximising your earnings within the time you have available?

 

I wouldn't trust this guy.  You've quoted for a non sex rate, why should you offer an even lower rate for a semi sexual service?  Firstly, he's trying to negotiate you down on price, then he'll try to negotiate up the services once you've agreed the rate.

 

"Well, you're here anyway, and we do get on together, so why won't you let me stick my cock in you?"

 

Give him a wide berth.  He's not going to be good for your business.

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Apologies for the repetitiveness, I was a second too late with my editing.

Me thinks it's a wind up, but then I'm a cynical git at the best of times! :)

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Sorry but he sounds like a chancer to me hoping to get your services on the cheap.  You say you really enjoy seeing him.  If he has realised that he may think he can take advantage of it.  As Holly said you should be charging for your time.  After all if you're with him you're not available to take any other bookings at your full rate

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Hmm, recently, I looked for a strictly non-sexual outcall massage around London and the going rate for the first hour is £50, somewhere around that rate I think would be reasonable.

If a guy wants a non-sexual massage, why contact an escort? There are enough bona fide massage therapists, working in spas, yoga centers, sports clinics etc., also on a visiting basis.

If you're contacting a WG for a massage, your intentions are by definition "sexual", even if no penetration occurs.

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Almost every wg states on her advert that you are paying for her time, not sex. I know this is to get over some legal argument or other but the principal stands. He's paying for your time. What he wants you to do in that time is his problem, not yours. So, as everyone seems to advise, stuff the discount. Charge him the going rate.

As I used to tell my working associated "there are no mates in business"

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I think he's trying his luck for a discounted booking to be honest. In so called 'sexual' bookings you don't always have full sex but playing and massaging etc. The only thing he is saying he doesn't want to do is put his willy in your foofoo. Everything else is on the table and as I say plenty of clients just go for hr or a bj. No he's trying to pay less for a normal kind of booking. Its up to you but I would be telling him quite firmly its what you have quoted him or nothing. Don't worry if he doesn't end up being a regular there will be plenty of other guys who will not take the piss.

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Almost every wg states on her advert that you are paying for her time, not sex. I know this is to get over some legal argument or other but the principal stands. He's paying for your time. What he wants you to do in that time is his problem, not yours. So, as everyone seems to advise, stuff the discount. Charge him the going rate.

As I used to tell my working associated "there are no mates in business"

In the UK there is no legal argument, paying for sex is not illegal and courts are not fooled by the disclaimer when looking at brothel, pimping and trafficking offences (which are illegal).

 

Booking by time enables an SP to run an appointment system and charge for a service which involves many variables.

 

If anyone has any doubts I am 99.9% sure I know the OP, and that she is a genuine service provider.

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I normally post on an escort forum but think it's time to try and get the male opinion on some things so this is my first post,

I am a 19 y/o outcall escort, no kinky stuff but I do covered penetration, OWO, DFK, all positions inc doggy, etc.

My rate is £120/hour which I think is higher than city girls but I live rurally so I often travel for 1/2+ hours and I only work 1/2 days a week max so I always work hard for my rate.

 

Someone I saw a few times and really enjoyed seeing has messaged me asking about a non-sex booking - he described it as 'playing, dressing up, massage' with the idea that if it goes well it could become weekly.

He asked my rate for this sort of fun semi-sexual booking and I said 80 because my social rate is 60 (50% of normal rate, so 80 is 66% since I still have to do everything I would for a normal booking in terms of preparation and travel, except the actual penetration but obviously all other services would be on offer).

He indicated he was hoping for lower than my social rate, am I expecting too much? He finds me very attractive and has enjoyed seeing me in the past, would you be happy to pay the same amount for a girl you enjoyed? Thanks in advance :)

I agree with the rest. Your client is clearly a chancer who is hoping your youth equates to naivity. What he is asking for is a sexual booking if oral and kissing are included. For this, you should offer your full rate. If he really just wants "playing, dressing up and massage", then your current offer to him sounds very reasonable.

Welcome to the boards by the way.

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I agree with the rest. Your client is clearly a chancer who is hoping your youth equates to naivity. What he is asking for is a sexual booking if oral and kissing are included. For this, you should offer your full rate. If he really just wants "playing, dressing up and massage", then your current offer to him sounds very reasonable.

Couldn't agree more. He's effectively saying: I like you sooo much, I want to see you again and be less generous. Pffff.....   No harm in trying, but a bit lacking in respect. Like an old sugar daddy of mine used to say: champagne taste and beer pocket.... As punters go, very replaceable.

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champagne taste and beer pocket

Love it :D.

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It's all been said Chloe! I think you have your answer! 

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I think he's trying his luck for a discounted booking to be honest. In so called 'sexual' bookings you don't always have full sex but playing and massaging etc. The only thing he is saying he doesn't want to do is put his willy in your foofoo. Everything else is on the table and as I say plenty of clients just go for hr or a bj. No he's trying to pay less for a normal kind of booking. Its up to you but I would be telling him quite firmly its what you have quoted him or nothing. Don't worry if he doesn't end up being a regular there will be plenty of other guys who will not take the piss.

 

But if you do have a dog called "foofoo", I would lock him in the back room, just in case. :ph34r:

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Thank you everyone for your replies! The more I think on it, I do charge per time not per services (like a massage place might operate?). But I've quoted the 80 now and it's fair that I stick to it. In his defence, he didn't explicitly state which 'services' he would like but in my mind you wouldn't book an escort to come and 'play, dress up and massage' without most things included?  :confused:

 

I don't think it will go ahead anyway. He said he'd think on the rate and get back to me, but I checked my sent box and he has deleted all my messages so I'm going to guess that he has decided against it.

Perhaps a good thing, he's a nice guy but knows I'm young and relatively new to the game and may have hoped to get what he wanted more easily from me than from the other ladies he's seen.  :)

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Thank you everyone for your replies! The more I think on it, I do charge per time not per services (like a massage place might operate?). But I've quoted the 80 now and it's fair that I stick to it. In his defence, he didn't explicitly state which 'services' he would like but in my mind you wouldn't book an escort to come and 'play, dress up and massage' without most things included?  :confused:

 

I don't think it will go ahead anyway. He said he'd think on the rate and get back to me, but I checked my sent box and he has deleted all my messages so I'm going to guess that he has decided against it.

Perhaps a good thing, he's a nice guy but knows I'm young and relatively new to the game and may have hoped to get what he wanted more easily from me than from the other ladies he's seen.  :)

I think and know you are right, these requests however don't disappear - I still get the occasional chancer like this guy and I'm a lot older, and longer in the tooth.

 

Massage parlours still tend to charge by time with things like OWO charged as extras, so on top of the basic rate which usually covers intercourse.

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As has been said earlier you still have the same travelling time and expenses and he will still expect that you will, before setting off, have spent time with the makeup in front of the mirror, choosing what to wear etc., and overall timewise everything is the same as if it was going to be a full blown, get-as-much-in-as-possible-in-the-time, booking.

 

You get what you pay for with punting as in many other things.

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Posts on this thread has been mostly solidly black and white on the issue, but on occasions, even in this business, things can get a little more flexible.

A few years ago, I used to see a long term regular on her published basis, £250 first hour, £200 thereafter. We got on very well, though still on a business basis. After a while, I began to feel that I didn’t see enough of her and I would rather have more time in her company than I could afford at sexual rates. So we settled on £50 an hour for social time. It really was “time and companionship” with no ambiguity or boundary pushing. So, for a while, we sometimes met at £250 for 5 hours at a time socially, going somewhere interesting for the day, and sometimes at £250 for one WG hour.

It suited me, as I really needed some pleasant company, and was happy to pay a sensible rate for it. <cue howls of derision> She was clearly happy with it. Being a photographic model, she was used to working at that sort of rate. To be fair, all she had to do was look good, and be good fun. Both of which came naturally.

I understand that the OP in this thread is not in a similar situation as his proposed boundaries seem a little undefined. But I know from experience that it is possible in some cases to have a happy medium.

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Posts on this thread has been mostly solidly black and white on the issue, but on occasions, even in this business, things can get a little more flexible.

A few years ago, I used to see a long term regular on her published basis, £250 first hour, £200 thereafter. We got on very well, though still on a business basis. After a while, I began to feel that I didn’t see enough of her and I would rather have more time in her company than I could afford at sexual rates. So we settled on £50 an hour for social time. It really was “time and companionship” with no ambiguity or boundary pushing. So, for a while, we sometimes met at £250 for 5 hours at a time socially, going somewhere interesting for the day, and sometimes at £250 for one WG hour.

It suited me, as I really needed some pleasant company, and was happy to pay a sensible rate for it. <cue howls of derision> She was clearly happy with it. Being a photographic model, she was used to working at that sort of rate. To be fair, all she had to do was look good, and be good fun. Both of which came naturally.

I understand that the OP in this thread is not in a similar situation as his proposed boundaries seem a little undefined. But I know from experience that it is possible in some cases to have a happy medium.

Ah, but the OP already charges a social rate of £60/hr (similar to the lady you used to see). This isn't what the client asked for, and the scope for boundary pushing looks massive to me. Best avoided methinks.

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