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I'm Sorry, Megan couldn't make it tonight...

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I'm sorry that I haven't properly introduced myself before posting what amounts to a fairly long and moaning maiden post: I can tell you that I have been a long-term reader of the board and reviews - and hope to continue so.

The general theme informing particular topic has been very usefully written about previously, so I'm sorry not to be offering something more original; however, after many complaints from many board members over the years, I'm genuinely surprised about the apparent level of tolerance for it, and particularly for the agencies which though long-since named-and-shamed, still insist on practicing it.

I guess I'm wondering why, when the evidence against really persistent culprits is so overwhelming, a board like PN; at face-value designed to share useful information between hobbyists, doesn't appear to have a dedicated sticky post or an open-letter type thang, which can help warn both newbs and even older-hands about truly shameless Bait N Switchers.

Where there might be a concern about genuine errors, malicious posters incorrectly 'outing' a legitimate agency, I'll stress that I'm proposing highlighting cases where the evidence available is just about incontrovertible; as an example of which, this springs to mind:

http://www.exoticelite.com/london-exotic-elite-escorts-Adrianna-brunette.314.html#1

For those of you not into Hollywood blockbusters, this particular fun-loving and insatiable student is called Megan Fox. For photo verification, also see:

http://www.tineye.com/search/54888df542c719520834a77c737511c5313c2628

I expect that a number of members here might suggest that anyone foolish enough to fall for such audacious passing-off deserves all they get, but there are plenty of other examples which would require specialised knowledge to identify, if identification all is in fact possible. For example:

http://www.aramis-london-escorts.co.uk/girl.php?id=160&s=super

...could appear to be fine, unless you happen to know who Catalina Cruz is, and why she won't be working in London this year. And then, this site: http://www.aphrodisiaclovers.co.uk/ appears to have made carrying out such photo-research a little harder. But I'm just left wondering why we might have to do that kind of research at all.

Now, I would point out that I have no desire to single out any one agency for opprobrium, but, after years and years of browsing, it really does seem that there are a group of London agencies, some of which appear to be related, which just can't resist the temptation to over-dress their shop windows, and about whom there appears to be a very wide and strong consensus that their advertising methods are not 'sound'. I would certainly see the three agencies cited above as being repeatedly, and, I would argue, knowlingly culpable. It must work often enough, and very handsomely too, for them to brazenly brass-it-out like this. But, since in many cases they've been in business for years, they must (presumably) have a few gals actually working with them, who I'm sure are as charming and gorgeous as can be found anywhere. Maybe those ladies don't want their real photos online - fine - there are ways to do that without this kind of passing-off.

And, whilst it might good business for the agencies, I can see no benefits, and many disadvantages for us, as punters, continuing to collectively tolerate this kind of behaviour. The only compelling reason I can see for not having a sticky on this, might be the risk, for the owner of PN, of p*ssing-off the wrong people.

Waddya think?

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I'm sorry that I haven't properly introduced myself before posting what amounts to a fairly long and moaning maiden post: I can tell you that I have been a long-term reader of the board and reviews - and hope to continue so.

The general theme informing particular topic has been very usefully written about previously, so I'm sorry not to be offering something more original; however, after many complaints from many board members over the years, I'm genuinely surprised about the apparent level of tolerance for it, and particularly for the agencies which though long-since named-and-shamed, still insist on practicing it.

I guess I'm wondering why, when the evidence against really persistent culprits is so overwhelming, a board like PN; at face-value designed to share useful information between hobbyists, doesn't appear to have a dedicated sticky post or an open-letter type thang, which can help warn both newbs and even older-hands about truly shameless Bait N Switchers.

Where there might be a concern about genuine errors, malicious posters incorrectly 'outing' a legitimate agency, I'll stress that I'm proposing highlighting cases where the evidence available is just about incontrovertible; as an example of which, this springs to mind:

http://www.exoticelite.com/london-exotic-elite-escorts-Adrianna-brunette.314.html#1

For those of you not into Hollywood blockbusters, this particular fun-loving and insatiable student is called Megan Fox. For photo verification, also see:

http://www.tineye.com/search/54888df542c719520834a77c737511c5313c2628

I expect that a number of members here might suggest that anyone foolish enough to fall for such audacious passing-off deserves all they get, but there are plenty of other examples which would require specialised knowledge to identify, if identification all is in fact possible. For example:

http://www.aramis-london-escorts.co.uk/girl.php?id=160&s=super

...could appear to be fine, unless you happen to know who Catalina Cruz is, and why she won't be working in London this year. And then, this site: http://www.aphrodisiaclovers.co.uk/ appears to have made carrying out such photo-research a little harder. But I'm just left wondering why we might have to do that kind of research at all.

Now, I would point out that I have no desire to single out any one agency for opprobrium, but, after years and years of browsing, it really does seem that there are a group of London agencies, some of which appear to be related, which just can't resist the temptation to over-dress their shop windows, and about whom there appears to be a very wide and strong consensus that their advertising methods are not 'sound'. I would certainly see the three agencies cited above as being repeatedly, and, I would argue, knowlingly culpable. It must work often enough, and very handsomely too, for them to brazenly brass-it-out like this. But, since in many cases they've been in business for years, they must (presumably) have a few gals actually working with them, who I'm sure are as charming and gorgeous as can be found anywhere. Maybe those ladies don't want their real photos online - fine - there are ways to do that without this kind of passing-off.

And, whilst it might good business for the agencies, I can see no benefits, and many disadvantages for us, as punters, continuing to collectively tolerate this kind of behaviour. The only compelling reason I can see for not having a sticky on this, might be the risk, for the owner of PN, of p*ssing-off the wrong people.

Waddya think?

Dont use Agencies is what i think, they have ripped off myself and others i know in the past and i dont trust them, even though i have seen some on here that are recommended by others and have many positive FRs.

I stick to Indies mainly 121, go to a Parlour on ocassion and attend Parties.

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Well the reason why they do It Is simple......They get away with It, most punters once they arrive and realise Megan Fox Isn't actually working today will go through with the punt anyway, I've said this before, If the photos look to good to be true they probally are. If a agency lies just walk away, plenty more choice about.

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and particularly for the agencies which though long-since named-and-shamed, still insist on practicing it.

I expect that there are a few reasons why they still do it but they will all boil down to roughly the same sort of results :-

1. Although I have no figures whatsoever to back this up, I am of the opinion that Punternet is a very small fish in a very large punting pool and thus no matter how loud any message may be shouted from this board the effect of the punting scene as a whole will be minimal at best.

2. The very fact that agencies that have been named and shamed continue to do business in the same fashion shows that naming and shaming on this board has little if any effect on the punting scene as a whole.

3. There have been examples where a post on this board has resulted in remedial action taken by an agency, however there are examples where no notice has been taken and they quietly carry on as normal, and presumably still take sufficient money.

4. I have no doubt that there are many agencies that have no knowledge whatsoever of Punternet, and many agencies that do have knowledge of Punternet but couldn't care less what is posted about them.

5. Last but in no way least, it all comes down to money in the end, if an agency is making the sort of money that it wants to make in whatever way it wants to make it, why should it care what Punternet says about it?

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I expect that there are a few reasons why they still do it but they will all boil down to roughly the same sort of results :-

1. Although I have no figures whatsoever to back this up, I am of the opinion that Punternet is a very small fish in a very large punting pool and thus no matter how loud any message may be shouted from this board the effect of the punting scene as a whole will be minimal at best.

2. The very fact that agencies that have been named and shamed continue to do business in the same fashion shows that naming and shaming on this board has little if any effect on the punting scene as a whole.

3. There have been examples where a post on this board has resulted in remedial action taken by an agency, however there are examples where no notice has been taken and they quietly carry on as normal, and presumably still take sufficient money.

4. I have no doubt that there are many agencies that have no knowledge whatsoever of Punternet, and many agencies that do have knowledge of Punternet but couldn't care less what is posted about them.

5. Last but in no way least, it all comes down to money in the end, if an agency is making the sort of money that it wants to make in whatever way it wants to make it, why should it care what Punternet says about it?

Quite true, sadly. PN is pretty much the industry standard, but I imagine the majority of punters haven't a clue about it's existence, therefore the rip off agencies, parlours and indies will continue to get away with stuff. Just take a look at this thread, she just keeps re-inventing herself: http://www.thelbb.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41533.0.html

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And then, this site: http://www.aphrodisiaclovers.co.uk/ appears to have made carrying out such photo-research a little harder. But I'm just left wondering why we might have to do that kind of research at all.

Just in case anybody does want to do a little research here is the full unexpurgated list, do be prepared for a LOT of Tineye results though.

PS. Let's just see exactly how much impact, in terms of pictures removed, that has on that agency.

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Quite true, sadly. PN is pretty much the industry standard, but I imagine the majority of punters haven't a clue about it's existence, therefore the rip off agencies, parlours and indies will continue to get away with stuff. Just take a look at this thread, she just keeps re-inventing herself: http://www.thelbb.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41533.0.html

From speaking to hundreds of punters at Parties and punting with hundreds of WGs about 20% knew about Pnet, but it is a growing percentage IMO, especially since HH and her big mouth.;)

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From speaking to hundreds of punters at Parties and punting with hundreds of WGs about 20% knew about Pnet, but it is a growing percentage IMO, especially since HH and her big mouth.;)

Harriet Harman has definitely done the world a favour in advising people to use PN.

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Dont use Agencies is what i think, they have ripped off myself and others i know in the past and i dont trust them, even though i have seen some on here that are recommended by others and have many positive FRs.

I stick to Indies mainly 121, go to a Parlour on ocassion and attend Parties.

Hi Smiths,

well, I'm no major user of agencies myself, but I do think that you miss out on some suberb assignations if problems of this nature lead you to feel that all agencies are beyond basic trust. I'm glad to say that on the whole, that's not my own experience, and that many of them, whilst sensibly choosing to accentuate the positive from their selection (as most businesses of any sort will), do actually represent themselves and their 'menus' faithfully. In no particular order I can personally vouch that with, for example, Maxes Angels; Annas Angels, and, say, The Bunny Lounge (I know it's more of a parlour than agency), what you see online is actually pretty much what you get in-the-sack. And the net result has been and will continue to be, repeat business from me. And there are many others with that commitment to the basic principle of WYSIWYG, that I'm looking very much forward to getting to know in future.

In particular, there are two that I've come across, which, either by design or omission, actually keep poor customer reviews & comments on the ladies' review pages - and from a customer perspective, I find that to be a hugely impressive bridge of trust that they are building - in fact I postively want to 'reward' them for their honesty, by giving them my business (I can't remember which they are off the top of my head, but I'll find out and post back).

In your experience, are indies generally more honest in their presentation? (I guess that, amongst other things they just don't have the same latitude to claim that 'Megan can't make it tonight')

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Just in case anybody does want to do a little research here is the full unexpurgated list, do be prepared for a LOT of Tineye results though.

Thanks for that! Just running down the list, without checking the validities, or even looking at the images, I'm struck by how many have file dates in 2005 or 2006! If I'm looking to find another WG, I'd like to know what she looks like (or might look like) this year, not three or four years ago!

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Some time ago I made a website for an asian girl and she turned up with a whole bunch of photos of another girl (model) she had downloaded off the internet. She was really surprised this might be a problem. In different cultures/countries it seems bait and switch is the norm and copyright is unheard of. She was just as beautiful as the other girl too.

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Harriet Harman has definitely done the world a favour in advising people to use PN

Typed into Google this morning "harriet harman punternet" - 19,600 results.

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Typed into Google this morning "harriet harman punternet" - 19,600 results.

Are they looking for her FRs? ;)

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Well the reason why they do It Is simple......They get away with It, most punters once they arrive and realise Megan Fox Isn't actually working today will go through with the punt anyway, I've said this before, If the photos look to good to be true they probally are. If a agency lies just walk away, plenty more choice about.

At 300 ph thats a big ask!

Shed have to be the spitting image of Megan Fox to make me want to stay.

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What it highlights is that there are three types of agencies:

1. those that blatantly put up fake pics

2. those that do not meet the girls and post the pics they have been sent through

3. those that meet the girls and will verify that the girl in the pics they have is the girl they interviewed.

my experience is that when you are ot sure which of the above agencies you are ealing with, asking a few simple questions during the phonecall will out them.

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Well, I'm glad to report that in the case of their girl Rosalia http://www.aramis-london-escorts.co.uk/girl.php?id=38&s=super , Aramis are being more, ahem, transparent; as they actually do acknowledge the fact that she is Polish and "... a catwalk and lingerie model". It must be their perfectly-honed sense of discretion that prevents them from mentioning that she moved to the US, aged 5, became a model, being voted "Sexiest Swimsuit Model in the World" by Maxim, has been cover girl for numerous glossies, and recently competed in the US TV series "Dancing with the stars". Doubtless it was the kind of cashflow problems that plague many such models that meant she has had to stoop to appearances in CSI and Legally Blond. Her work for Aramis, whenever her other work brings her to London-Town, plays a small but vital role in keeping her finances in good-health.

When times were harder, she has been known to offer OWO/CIM/Swallow for as little as £250; provided you first scrub your bits with Dettol in her view.

Hurrah! for globalisation.

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What it highlights is that there are three types of agencies:

1. those that blatantly put up fake pics

2. those that do not meet the girls and post the pics they have been sent through

3. those that meet the girls and will verify that the girl in the pics they have is the girl they interviewed.

my experience is that when you are ot sure which of the above agencies you are ealing with, asking a few simple questions during the phonecall will out them.

Hey FT: I get you're point about ringing-up; and I'm sure it would be a start, but what do you think the switchboard operators of this unholy trinity would say if you were to gingerly ask a few questions about whether the girls' photos were true and recent? Do you think they'll 'fess-up; or tell you that "Megan's busy right now; but I've got another lovely girl just like her"?

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I am not saying to ask if the pics are real, but ask some questions about the girl.

Agents who have met the girl will be able to tell more about personality, quality of english,

You could even be cheeky and ask if they have met the girl. Hesitation means they have to think about the answer, meaning its best to move on and call another agency.

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Hi Smiths,

well, I'm no major user of agencies myself, but I do think that you miss out on some suberb assignations if problems of this nature lead you to feel that all agencies are beyond basic trust. I'm glad to say that on the whole, that's not my own experience, and that many of them, whilst sensibly choosing to accentuate the positive from their selection (as most businesses of any sort will), do actually represent themselves and their 'menus' faithfully. In no particular order I can personally vouch that with, for example, Maxes Angels; Annas Angels, and, say, The Bunny Lounge (I know it's more of a parlour than agency), what you see online is actually pretty much what you get in-the-sack. And the net result has been and will continue to be, repeat business from me. And there are many others with that commitment to the basic principle of WYSIWYG, that I'm looking very much forward to getting to know in future.

In particular, there are two that I've come across, which, either by design or omission, actually keep poor customer reviews & comments on the ladies' review pages - and from a customer perspective, I find that to be a hugely impressive bridge of trust that they are building - in fact I postively want to 'reward' them for their honesty, by giving them my business (I can't remember which they are off the top of my head, but I'll find out and post back).

In your experience, are indies generally more honest in their presentation? (I guess that, amongst other things they just don't have the same latitude to claim that 'Megan can't make it tonight')

I have lost complete trust in Agencies so am not interested in using them again. If i miss out on ladies because of this, my bad luck. I would say a good friend of mine, not a forum member was scammed by Maxes Angels some time ago because of this i have no respect for Max Angel. Glad to hear your experiences have been the opposite to this.

In my experience overall Indies are generally more honest, i have been scammed, the N3 flat being an example and attempted scammed but my success rate with them is 90% or so. It would be 100% if i stuck to regulars, but i like variety and am prepared to take risks to find a gem which i have many a time. ;)

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Makes you wonder why they would choose someone like Megan in the 1st place, Couldn't get more Famous(as far as pretty celebs go at the momment).

Sure they are opening themselves up for a law Suit.....from the Model/celebs lawyer not the misled punter

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Makes you wonder why they would choose someone like Megan in the 1st place, Couldn't get more Famous(as far as pretty celebs go at the momment).

Sure they are opening themselves up for a law Suit.....from the Model/celebs lawyer not the misled punter

Well, word is that for some reason Megan seems to be putting it about a bit at the moment. Even HotBuns acknowledges the competition: http://hotbuns69.moonfruit.com/#/donations/4536993480, although I bet she doesn't offer bareback photoshopping for any money.

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At 300 ph thats a big ask!

Shed have to be the spitting image of Megan Fox to make me want to stay.

I agree with you, but many punters once through the threshold will think with their small head, this Is what scam agencies hope for, even If she was hot I wouldn't stay, but make the point of telling them what I thought of their scamming.

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Makes you wonder why they would choose someone like Megan in the 1st place, Couldn't get more Famous(as far as pretty celebs go at the momment).

Sure they are opening themselves up for a law Suit.....from the Model/celebs lawyer not the misled punter

Its the internet, its a free for all.

First step in a lawsuit would be giving them the opportunity to remove the pic. Unles they refuse to do that would think thats all thats going to happen.

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Well, word is that for some reason Megan seems to be putting it about a bit at the moment. Even HotBuns acknowledges the competition: http://hotbuns69.moonfruit.com/#/donations/4536993480, although I bet she doesn't offer bareback photoshopping for any money.

Well at least shes honest that she qualified in Photoshopping.

And her other services are:

- Protected Bareback ;) ,

- Needlework

- Toy Story

- Toy Story 2

- Latvian Kissing

and our old friend - Hygenic girlfriend experience!!!!!!!! (and strangely with FK CIM and Swallowing?!?!)

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4. I have no doubt that there are many agencies that have no knowledge whatsoever of Punternet, and many agencies that do have knowledge of Punternet but couldn't care less what is posted about them.

Just to highlight that particular point, some time ago it was pointed out to Acemassage that the pictures of Tania (proudly displaying "ACE MASSAGE VERIFIED GENUINE PICTURE") were in fact carefully cropped versions of Iga A, IIRC Acemassage, after a bit of nudging, discussion of "stock photos" and a couple of Emails from Jkay, finally accepted that the pictures were not those of Tania and that a "mistake" had been made and removed the "ACE MASSAGE VERIFIED GENUINE PICTURE", it appears that the same "mistake" has been made again.

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