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"there Is No Such A Thing As Voluntary Prostitution"

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There was a lengthy topic on another forum about men who go to prostitutes. But many people who are opposed to prostitution, say that there is no such a thing as voluntary prostitution and every WG, without exception, will do because of the money and fake anything which is fakable.

 

WGs will say anything a client wants to hear, without exception. No criticism, only how good the client is in bed. Any arousement will be faked and if there is passionate French kissing, the WG doesn't enjoy it, but just fakes it.

 

And a WG that says she likes it, is actually lying. She only say things that others want to hear. And I, being autistic, am the more easy to tricked into believing things which are actually not there. If a WG seems to cum, it may be faked.

 

I could pay attention to non-verbal cues, such as getting wet, but it may well be fake.

 

Maybe I must let the subject be and concentrate on other things, but I don't know what to believe.

 

This above is outright negative, and I have a hard time to believe that no WG does that voluntarily. But I know I hear opposite comments on this forum and similar, and on SAAFE, the forum for WGs and women that want to be a WG.

 

What do you think? What is right? This above or the assertion that there are WG that do this voluntarily and enjoy it. I am really confused now, and decided to let the subject on that forum be.

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There was a lengthy topic on another forum about men who go to prostitutes. But many people who are opposed to prostitution, say that there is no such a thing as voluntary prostitution and every WG, without exception, will do because of the money and fake anything which is fakable.

 

WGs will say anything a client wants to hear, without exception. No criticism, only how good the client is in bed. Any arousement will be faked and if there is passionate French kissing, the WG doesn't enjoy it, but just fakes it.

 

And a WG that says she likes it, is actually lying. She only say things that others want to hear. And I, being autistic, am the more easy to tricked into believing things which are actually not there. If a WG seems to cum, it may be faked.

 

I could pay attention to non-verbal cues, such as getting wet, but it may well be fake.

 

Maybe I must let the subject be and concentrate on other things, but I don't know what to believe.

 

This above is outright negative, and I have a hard time to believe that no WG does that voluntarily. But I know I hear opposite comments on this forum and similar, and on SAAFE, the forum for WGs and women that want to be a WG.

 

What do you think? What is right? This above or the assertion that there are WG that do this voluntarily and enjoy it. I am really confused now, and decided to let the subject on that forum be.

There are two subjects here. The first is are there WGs who are WGs voluntarily to which the answer is of course there are.The second is do ALL of those WGs view it as a job only or a job and fun where they can enjoy themselves. The answer in my experience is some see it as a job only and some see it as a job AND fun. The primary reason many people work is to earn money, why should WGs be any different, if they are simply pretending to have orgasms and have fun i dont mind as long as its a good act. Far worse for me is obvious fakery. If they really do enjoy themselves then thats great.

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When everyone on that forum goes out to work every day for fun and not because they need the money and they also stop faking liking their boss then their argument will become valid. Till then that argument is invalid xx

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Smiths, I actually very much see it in the same way as you described.

 

I disagree that a WG would say anything I want to hear. If I make a mistake while kissing, the WG will say so. I am not halucinating, although others seem to know better what the WG says to me, than I myself having the very punt.  :wacko:

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You will never get the answer you are looking for because there is no one answer to this.. wgs arent just wgs; they are women with their own drives and ambitions and personalities. They have their own ways. The answers will vary. But you only have to read some posts by wgs on here to see theyre not all about massaging mens egos and genitals.

 

Of course i want a punter/client to have a pleasing experience with me but its not at any cost.

 

It's a real shame that you question all wgs motives but it is after all quite natural. I question peoples motives all the time! Its not healthy for you though to let it drive you to distraction, at some point you have to let go

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Yes, this is work, so it is not voluntary - we do it because we are paid to, just like any other job. That doesn't mean that we don't enjoy it or that it is always fake. This is the most fun job I've ever done!

 

However, I do this work voluntarily, as in I am not forced into it. I have to do some form of work in order to support myself, and I have chosen prostitution.

 

Sure, if I win the lottery I won't continue to offer my services, but the same would go for any job, I don't hate my work and I'm not unhappy! 

 

Some people can't imagine themselves choosing prostitution, and so conclude that no one becomes a prostitute willingly - prostitutes must all be forced or so desperate that we have no other option. But this is not the case, some of us do choose this work and are happy with our choice.  

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The only reason anyone works is to earn money!!! Hell, i'd give up my job tomorrow if I could. There is no way I do my job voluntarily, I do it out of necessity to earn money. Do any girls grow up wanting to be prostitutes as a career?? No. But there comes a point in life where you have to sell either your body or soul to pay the bills. Women have the option that due to the biological differences there will be a desire by men to pay them for sexual services for the rest of time.

 

Then, girls can weigh up the alternatives. Work 60/70/80 hour weeks for minimum wage or thereabouts and struggle to survive and never spend time with their friends and family, or give sexual pleasure for a fraction of the hours with much higher reward.

 

Then there are different girls. Some will enjoy some of the encounters, others will be professional.

 

But when you analyse it in real terms.....the government are the biggest pimps and employers are the biggest reason girls choose prostitution.

 

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It's a real shame that you question all wgs motives but it is after all quite natural.

 

I wasn't actually questioning WGs, but in the first few paragraphs of the message until "This above is outright negative..." are actually assertions of people that have an opinion about prostitution and without actually knowing what really happens during a punt. They don't have a clue about it. What have been told on this forum and what is told between the WGs on the SAAFE forum, contradict what is told in the lengthy topic about prostitution. I tend to believe more what the WGs tell them here and on SAAFE.

 

I still think that a woman with financial problems is smart enough to avoid prostitution unless she likes to do it. It is her free will to choose it or not.

 

About the SAAFE forum. I just read it without registering me, in order to post there. That latter would rightfully inappropriate because I have no intention to become an escort myself.

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I wasn't actually questioning WGs, but in the first few paragraphs of the message until "This above is outright negative..." are actually assertions of people that have an opinion about prostitution and without actually knowing what really happens during a punt. They don't have a clue about it. What have been told on this forum and what is told between the WGs on the SAAFE forum, contradict what is told in the lengthy topic about prostitution. I tend to believe more what the WGs tell them here and on SAAFE.

 

I still think that a woman with financial problems is smart enough to avoid prostitution unless she likes to do it. It is her free will to choose it or not.

 

About the SAAFE forum. I just read it without registering me, in order to post there. That latter would rightfully inappropriate because I have no intention to become an escort myself.

 

I'm sorry if i misread your original post, you said you were confused but i think it is i that is confused about the question you were posing..

 

My point is, you will never find out what is 'right' because some girls are all about the monies and dont enjoy it, some do enjoy it. It depends  who you talk to

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I went regularly with an MK girl, now retired, who would have left you in doubt that money

was only about half the reason she did it. Others left reviews that said the same thing.

 

She took the money at the end by the way. There is one other highly rated girl around here that did this with me too.

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There was a lengthy topic on another forum about men who go to prostitutes. But many people who are opposed to prostitution, say that there is no such a thing as voluntary prostitution and every WG, without exception, will do because of the money and fake anything which is fakable.

 

WGs will say anything a client wants to hear, without exception. No criticism, only how good the client is in bed. Any arousement will be faked and if there is passionate French kissing, the WG doesn't enjoy it, but just fakes it.

 

And a WG that says she likes it, is actually lying. She only say things that others want to hear. And I, being autistic, am the more easy to tricked into believing things which are actually not there. If a WG seems to cum, it may be faked.

 

I could pay attention to non-verbal cues, such as getting wet, but it may well be fake.

 

Maybe I must let the subject be and concentrate on other things, but I don't know what to believe.

 

This above is outright negative, and I have a hard time to believe that no WG does that voluntarily. But I know I hear opposite comments on this forum and similar, and on SAAFE, the forum for WGs and women that want to be a WG.

 

What do you think? What is right? This above or the assertion that there are WG that do this voluntarily and enjoy it. I am really confused now, and decided to let the subject on that forum be.

So what if this is true?  Why should you care?  I am assuming you are a punter so you pay for a good time - this means the lady makes you feel good.  As long as you are clean and pleasant to be with what does it matter?

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"there Is No Such A Thing As Voluntary Prostitution"

 

The type of thing generally said by people who aren't sex workers themselves and probably don't know anyone who is.

 

I agree with what has been said above, most sex work isn't "voluntary" in the context people would be willing to give up their time to do it free of charge without pay. But it is "voluntary" in the context they haven't been trafficked and aren't forced against their will to do it.

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YourSlave has got it spot on.

 

"There is No Such Thing as Voluntary Prostitution" is the radical feminist rhetoric, designed for a world-view where Men are the Enemy.

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There are two subjects here. The first is are there WGs who are WGs voluntarily to which the answer is of course there are.The second is do ALL of those WGs view it as a job only or a job and fun where they can enjoy themselves. The answer in my experience is some see it as a job only and some see it as a job AND fun. The primary reason many people work is to earn money, why should WGs be any different, if they are simply pretending to have orgasms and have fun i dont mind as long as its a good act. Far worse for me is obvious fakery. If they really do enjoy themselves then thats great.

 

You've got me worried, Smiths - I completely agree with you. :P

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many people who are opposed to prostitution, say that there is no such a thing as voluntary prostitution and every WG, without exception, will do because of the money and fake anything which is fakable.

 

 

ANY person who makes a statement this broad and this absolute is either an idiot or assumes that ANY person who believes their statement is an idiot. 

 

Many politicians have made this statement, ergo................ 

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YourSlave has got it spot on.

 

"There is No Such Thing as Voluntary Prostitution" is the radical feminist rhetoric, designed for a world-view where Men are the Enemy.

I prefer to call them fake feminists as a true believer in womens rights and liberties also believes in "her body her choice" thus negating the anti prostitution degrading opinion that women who chose prostitution are not of full mental faculty x

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Once men thought women needed saving and guiding through life or they would find themselves ruined, now the fakefems are holding exactly the same beliefs as men in the 1800's held but directing it at prostitution. Is this do you think their ultimate way of becoming equal to men…taking on mens outdated beliefs. Seems a bit fecked up to me and it smacks of desperation to prove themselves equal. Cant they just be happy to understand they ARE equal without having to use us as their whipping girls, pumping up their own fragile egos by belittling us. Stonking ridiculous situation if you ask me x

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If it was voluntary I wouldn't be getting paid.

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If it was voluntary I wouldn't be getting paid.

I took the OPs use of the word voluntary as meaning not being forced against ones will to be a WG, not being a WG for free, i see some have read it differently. I wouldnt view a woman who isnt charging for sex as a WG myself.

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Those who put forward the 'no such thing as voluntary prostitution' line are pushing for prohibition, thus: "there's no such thing as voluntary prostitution, therefore all prostitution is involuntary, which means it's forced, therefore it's slavery and must be banned." It's a far-right Christian/radical feminist standpoint that seeks to impose a narrow moral view on society because of a religious and/or ideological belief.

 

I work for a living. I do so because the alternatives - homelessness, starvation, etc. - are worse options. I have the choice (I'm fortunate!) whether I work or not, so I say it's voluntary - I could choose not to, no-one's forcing me against my will.

 

I've met with plenty of WGs and in my day-to-day life, I work and interact with other women. There's no doubt in my mind that the WGs I've met are aware of who they are and what they're doing and are free to make a choice - no different from the other women I work with or know socially. I know that in at least some cases, the WGs I've seen have actively enjoyed our sessions; others have generally been professional enough to be polite and to provide a pleasant service.

 

I don't believe that all WGs are faking everything because they have no choice - the evidence simply doesn't stack up.

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Being a little flippant, it reminds me of the old 7 Dwarves song "I owe, I owe so off to work we go!"

As stated, we all are forced to work, but the key is this, do we have the freedom to change our jobs? My dad worked down a coal mine for 30 years, I do not think he leapt out of bed at 5am with a gleeful cheer. He was forced to work there because he had to support his kids and it was the only job he could do.

If a Wg works in prostitution and wants to move, she is a voluntary sex worker. If she cannot then she is a prisoner. I hope all the women I have met are totally in it for the money and  are salting it away like bandits.

As for faking it, who knows. I am sure some days the women are as horny as the men and loving every second of it. And some days they feel like my dad and it is all fakery. Some of my punts have been so so, other sublime delights.  I am sure it is the same it is the same for the women, maybe once in a while they are lying in a post punt haze wondering "What just happened?"

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What do you think? What is right? This above or the assertion that there are WG that do this voluntarily and enjoy it. I am really confused now, and decided to let the subject on that forum be.

 

I also agree that pretty much everyone in society works because they have to earn money.  Same applies to WGs.  But just because we all work does not mean we do not enjoy it.  I love my job sometimes and hate it sometimes and I'm sure the same goes for most WGs. 

 

I think you are also referring to the public perception that WGs are pushed into prostitution because they have no other choice.  I do agree that some might chose to be a WG instead of other job alternatives because it may mean a better lifestyle for them (i.e. work fewer hours for more pay) but ultimately, anyone who is pushed to be a WG could also very likely do another job to achieve whatever goal they have (i.e. pay for school, pay off debt, invest some money, save for house downpayment, etc.) - it may just take them longer to achieve it.  This means it is a voluntary choice in terms of type of job.  Of course there are always cases when people are exploited (just like lots of other jobs) where the social system hopefully can help to prevent this from happening - but this does not only apply to WGs.

 

In terms of enjoying it, I think there are lots of happy WGs who enjoy some of their clients.  Also keep in mind that everyone has bad days at work but if you are good, you will keep a professional demeanour and make sure your client has a good experience.

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ANY person who makes a statement this broad and this absolute is either an idiot or assumes that ANY person who believes their statement is an idiot. 

 

Many politicians have made this statement, ergo................ 

 

You are right. Even so, there was a WG in that topic. She wrote that she has an awesome job: "First I am paid very well by the gentlemen who seem to know how to treat a lady. After the payment I am pleasured awesomely!" But she got some criticism. She would give prostitution a reputation that it doesn't deserve. I started to defend her. Not would she give a wrong image of prostitution. The opponents of prostitution does.

 

Even if there are 1000 trafficked women, coerced into prostitution and one woman does it voluntarily, the statement is already false.

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I took the OPs use of the word voluntary as meaning not being forced against ones will to be a WG, not being a WG for free, i see some have read it differently. I wouldnt view a woman who isnt charging for sex as a WG myself.

 

Yes, that is how I meant it.

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Yes, that is how I meant it.

Thanks for the clarification Hans. :)

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