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Will The Influx Of Ee Escorts Effect Your Punting Habits? Will The Whole Scene Change?

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I was trying to get to see a Lady just prior to Christmas but she could only do outcalls. Then she said that she had found a flat that was used by other girls.

 

She gave me the postcode and I immediately recognised it as a flat that many EE girls had quoted as their working place.

 

I said that I wouldn't be happy to meet there as a raid was likely at some time or other, what with it having a number of girls who might possibly be coerced.

 

Will the influx of EE ladies who, if the recent raids are anything to go by, are congregating in one flat, make you think twice about punting at such establishments or even at indi flats, for fear of there being a raid?

 

Do you think that the scene will change? Will prices change? Will services change? Anything else that might happen as a result of this influx?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

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You have to remember though that a lot of ladies are advertised as Indie who are not actually independent. They share  receptionist and premises etc but their advertising is as an indie. If you visit a proper Indie then why fear could you possibly have?

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You have to remember though that a lot of ladies are advertised as Indie who are not actually independent. They share  receptionist and premises etc but their advertising is as an indie. If you visit a proper Indie then why fear could you possibly have?

 

are you implying pimping?

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This bit's very revealing:

"...tells her boyfriend she works as a cleaner because otherwise he would kill her."

So...it's not a pimp ..or customers...she has to worry about getting killed by, but her boyfriend.

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are you implying pimping?

No…i wasnt implying anything, just showing the possibility of a  brothel that advertises the ladies individually as if they are indies. IE..no rota, no website, lots of ladies with an advert on aw fairly similarly written usually. 

 

Of course to imply that "pimps", in the old fashioned sense, do not "sell" their ladies on aw but be ridiculous, its not 1970…my guess would be the pimps use as up to date methods of getting their ladies clients as the agencies and indies do.

 

Those profiles that are just too similar, the girls never once cracking a smile in any of the profiles with only 2 or 3 homemade pictures, girls who are 19 and pretty and slim offering it out for what is below the general fee in their area and of course  new young "brand new to the industry" 18 year old "teencutie" types who seem to know how to knock up the sort of aw profile that only an old hand at it would be able too? 

 

Im suspicious of certain profile types. 

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They all received a formal warning?? I assume they were all equally responsible for the place then and working together as indies? They would have to be as its not possible to give a formal warning for being a prostitute as its not illegal nor unlawful…especially not unlawful x

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I was trying to get to see a Lady just prior to Christmas but she could only do outcalls. Then she said that she had found a flat that was used by other girls.

 

She gave me the postcode and I immediately recognised it as a flat that many EE girls had quoted as their working place.

 

I said that I wouldn't be happy to meet there as a raid was likely at some time or other, what with it having a number of girls who might possibly be coerced.

 

Will the influx of EE ladies who, if the recent raids are anything to go by, are congregating in one flat, make you think twice about punting at such establishments or even at indi flats, for fear of there being a raid?

 

Do you think that the scene will change? Will prices change? Will services change? Anything else that might happen as a result of this influx?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I do not expect a "EE influx" on top of the one that we already had in early 2000s. 

The cumulative population of Romania and Bulgaria is about 28 million. This is minor compared to the 65 million Poland+Czech+Slovak+Hungarian population. Not to mention the ex-USSR WGs that have already somehow come to UK.

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I do not expect a "EE influx" on top of the one that we already had in early 2000s. 

The cumulative population of Romania and Bulgaria is about 28 million. This is minor compared to the 65 million Poland+Czech+Slovak+Hungarian population. Not to mention the ex-USSR WGs that have already somehow come to UK.

 

The paper copy I saw this morning in the caff implied these girls were Roma.  These are some of the poorest people in europe.  The attraction of the UK must be massive.

 

It also said the men found there had been warned but as they had not been committing an offence they had been free to go.  Warned about what?  They had broken no law, and plod should know this.

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Two women were found in a semi-detached house two doors away from a church in Harrow

Well they are very religious

 

'I do it for a better life for me and my children. When I am with a customer the only thing I think about is my children.'

The same as many women in the job.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25653738

This lot advertised on AW if the news feature I saw on the BBC as correct, unless they had just shown AW as an example of an adult website.

I bet all the poor women had profiles which all looked the same as they were writen by the same person and they were rotated around the country.

Reading a related article 2 clients helped them out.

I would have hoped those gang members would get put away for more than 3-6 years, it doesn't seem harsh enough.

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This bit's very revealing:

"...tells her boyfriend she works as a cleaner because otherwise he would kill her."

So...it's not a pimp ..or customers...she has to worry about getting killed by, but her boyfriend.

 

Was that just a figure of speech or a genuine fear if her boyfriend found out. Would other British WGs who had boyfriends who didnt know say the same thing?

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No…i wasnt implying anything, just showing the possibility of a  brothel that advertises the ladies individually as if they are indies. IE..no rota, no website, lots of ladies with an advert on aw fairly similarly written usually. 

 

Of course to imply that "pimps", in the old fashioned sense, do not "sell" their ladies on aw but be ridiculous, its not 1970…my guess would be the pimps use as up to date methods of getting their ladies clients as the agencies and indies do.

 

Those profiles that are just too similar, the girls never once cracking a smile in any of the profiles with only 2 or 3 homemade pictures, girls who are 19 and pretty and slim offering it out for what is below the general fee in their area and of course  new young "brand new to the industry" 18 year old "teencutie" types who seem to know how to knock up the sort of aw profile that only an old hand at it would be able too? 

 

Im suspicious of certain profile types. 

YOu've got it in one. And the Police are likely to start targetting these places.

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YOu've got it in one. And the Police are likely to start targetting these places.

 

think of all the poca money they can make.

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are you implying pimping?

Is that such a stretch?If you look on AW you'll see  supposed indies working in these groups/collectives where they all have indentical profiles,offer the exact same services,which is normally pretty much everything and none seem to have any actual access to these profiles or know whats on them.

Then youve got the rate they are moved around the country,in a constant rotation.Do you really believe there is no one behind such groups running them?

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Was that just a figure of speech or a genuine fear if her boyfriend found out. Would other British WGs who had boyfriends who didnt know say the same thing?

very likely…it just means the boyfriend will go mental in his own personal way..could mean he will sulk for 6 months

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Is that such a stretch?If you look on AW you'll see  supposed indies working in these groups/collectives where they all have indentical profiles,offer the exact same services,which is normally pretty much everything and none seem to have any actual access to these profiles or know whats on them.

Then youve got the rate they are moved around the country,in a constant rotation.Do you really believe there is no one behind such groups running them?

not just that…they all charge the exact same fee too in the "group". If it was just a bunch of real indies who were sharing a property for safety or financial reasons then they would all charge their own individual fees, not the same as each other. x

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i dont think it will effect english escorts

 

99 per cent of my guys  book me because im british ( i have nothing agaisnt ees)

 

if you provide a good service you will always be busy so it doesnt matter that more ees are arriving in my view

 

i like healthy competition

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This bit's very revealing:

"...tells her boyfriend she works as a cleaner because otherwise he would kill her."

So...it's not a pimp ..or customers...she has to worry about getting killed by, but her boyfriend.

Was that just a figure of speech or a genuine fear if her boyfriend found out. Would other British WGs who had boyfriends who didnt know say the same thing?

very likely…it just means the boyfriend will go mental in his own personal way..could mean he will sulk for 6 months

It could, but it could also mean something at a point between a 6 month sulk and getting murdered, like getting beaten up. But what I was trying to get at was whether it's mental intimidation or physical violence it's her boyfriend that she was worried might do it. Edited by TheCrow7

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I was trying to get to see a Lady just prior to Christmas but she could only do outcalls. Then she said that she had found a flat that was used by other girls.

 

She gave me the postcode and I immediately recognised it as a flat that many EE girls had quoted as their working place.

 

I said that I wouldn't be happy to meet there as a raid was likely at some time or other, what with it having a number of girls who might possibly be coerced.

 

Will the influx of EE ladies who, if the recent raids are anything to go by, are congregating in one flat, make you think twice about punting at such establishments or even at indi flats, for fear of there being a raid?

 

Do you think that the scene will change? Will prices change? Will services change? Anything else that might happen as a result of this influx?

 

Thoughts?

So what new influx will be hitting this country then? There already are plenty of EE hookers working here.

The industry doesn't change over night, but evolves slowly, and why would one raid on a brothel scare you from visiting another place? Until the day Harriet Harman crucifies punters on Tower Hill what's the problem?

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i dont think it will effect english escorts

99 per cent of my guys book me because im british

This is a neutral note ( not an attempt at flattery) but probably your green cat-like eyes* help as well though , Rebecca. (*Going by PN profile.) Edited by TheCrow7
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I think the market is pretty saturated already. In the 4.5 years I have been working the number of women in my borough on AW has doubled.

 

There are women (to be fair mainly the EE ones) who are charging as little as £60 an hour. However, there are many men who prefer to pay more to see A) Women who have fluent English, B Established escorts, C) Women they feel enjoy their work, D) Who aren't based in brothels and are in 'nice' homes/hotels and E) Women they don't feel are exploited or controlled by pimps. 

 

 Thus, I don't feel any influx (I'm betting there won't be one anyway) will change much. The sad thing is if there is an influx it will be these women who will have to reduce prices or do services they might not really like. Well established escorts have both regulars and reputation.

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yes, think the question is partly redundant as the EE flows have been with us for the best part of a decade (in EU accession terms) so it is something that already been in play. I dont forsee any radical changes to the scene going forward.

Be interesting to hear if UKIP had a line on this, Nigel....over to you??????

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yes, think the question is partly redundant as the EE flows have been with us for the best part of a decade (in EU accession terms) so it is something that already been in play. I dont forsee any radical changes to the scene going forward.

Correct...By influx of "EE", I assume the OP is referring to the recent changes to the immigration status of Romanians & Bulgarians. There is a lot of misinformation in the media about these changes (but hey, what's new?), but in essence they do not affect the escort industry in any event. Prior to 1st January, Romanians & Bulgarians required permission to take paid employment here, but did not need permission to be self-employed. For the purposes of this debate, the recent changes have simply removed the requirement to seek permission to take paid employment. In other words, it is not now suddenly any easier than it was before for Romanian & Bulgarian girls to come here and work as WGs - so any new "influx" of Romanians & Bulgarians will be into the paid employment sector, not the escorting sector...

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 Thus, I don't feel any influx (I'm betting there won't be one anyway) will change much. The sad thing is if there is an influx it will be these women who will have to reduce prices or do services they might not really like. .

Going from posts on another punting forum, which has the a stated aim of putting the punter first (and therefore not liable to be too sentimental about such matters), from posts there about EE WGs already here, I doubt it. The complaints on that particular forum about Romanians seems to boil down to the fact that they *don't* do services they might not really like - It seems Romanian WGs are the least likely of *any* nationality to DFK, for example."Exploited" ...the Romanian WG in the Mail article Uschi linked to, didn't say she felt exploited, she gave the impression (to me when I was reading it anyway) of just wanting to make big money quickly- she said she could earn £2000 a week sometimes and she was "only raising enough money to move back home and start a business."

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No…i wasnt implying anything, just showing the possibility of a  brothel that advertises the ladies individually as if they are indies. IE..no rota, no website, lots of ladies with an advert on aw fairly similarly written usually. 

 

Of course to imply that "pimps", in the old fashioned sense, do not "sell" their ladies on aw but be ridiculous, its not 1970…my guess would be the pimps use as up to date methods of getting their ladies clients as the agencies and indies do.

 

Those profiles that are just too similar, the girls never once cracking a smile in any of the profiles with only 2 or 3 homemade pictures, girls who are 19 and pretty and slim offering it out for what is below the general fee in their area and of course  new young "brand new to the industry" 18 year old "teencutie" types who seem to know how to knock up the sort of aw profile that only an old hand at it would be able too? 

 

Im suspicious of certain profile types. 

Exactly, Chloe.

 

Each week around here, 10 to 15 new profiles appear. If one rings the number it is invariably the same postcode, a block of flats. This is the same block where my outcall lady was going to be based. Since I've told her of my suspicions, she tell me that she has made her own inquiries and visited the flat where, indeed, there are many mainly EE ladies.

 

That's what prompted this topic.

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