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I hope the mods will allow this thread in the main part of the message board and not consign it to the sexual health zone.

 

Shortly before Christmas I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and I had the offending item removed before Christmas. I have made a fair recovery, I am back working, mostly continent, but best of all my blood test result showed me to be cancer free.

 

Once diagnosed I found that first of all everyone seemed to know a guy of around my age or older who had been through the same process, but many more who wanted to know how I got diagnosed in the first place.

 

The start is a blood test, where men over 50 will have their samples routinely tested for Prostate Specific Antigen – PSA. The test cannot be used for screening as there is too much variation, and when I got my first result it was not terribly high and from public domain information it seemed unlikely I would have cancer. The point is not the value itself but whether it is increasing with time more than the population average, and once my GP had a few test results I was referred. The first test could be very skewed because if you have a general blood test, for cholesterol or something, and the PSA gets done because men don’t turn up at the doctor’s very often, and you happened to have had sex in the previous 24 hours the result will be sky-high anyway. So for a serious test, no sex before it!

So referral, and after a period of monitoring the Consultant decided to send me for a biopsy. It’s not that pleasant although some people might enjoy it, as the biopsy samples are obtained by a gadget inserted into the bum. There is then the slightly unpleasant sensation of somebody throwing darts at you from inside. As the prostate is very soft, there is bleeding and the first couple of climaxes afterwards may be tainted with blood, and I abstained for a while to allow healing before checking. Curiously I found the biopsies stimulating and my activity levels went up for a month or so afterwards. And the results were negative. So was the second, where the sampling rate is doubled, and the third, which is done under anaesthetic as they sample the opposite side of the prostate and go in from the front. So I was put under monitoring and eventually sent 6 months later for a fourth, and standard biopsy by the Consultant as my PSA levels continued to rise. Altogether it was more than 2 years from the first blood test to the fourth, where there was a positive diagnosis of a low level cancer.

 

There are always options on such a diagnosis. Had I been 75 I would have been left, but at 60-ish and with slightly restricted urinal flow that the consultant said would eventually require treatment in the same area, I needed to have surgery. There has been a lot in the press about needless surgery, but I was carefully screened and did not qualify for monitoring. Not only that, but national targets dictate that you should have surgery within 4 weeks once diagnosed, and this short period shrunk to only 8 days in my case with Christmas looming.

 

So not much time to organise a farewell tour or something. Luckily I have long since done everything that a frustrated adult might have wished to do in the world of sex, and have had nothing but great times practising my chosen hobby. One or two girls would have wished to have my last load no doubt, but I didn’t have time to organise a charity auction. So I faced the end of my normal adult sex life with resignation but no panic or sadness; after all the idea is to be rid of a life shortening disease, which with any luck I now am.

 

So what next, what will life be like minus prostate? The operation was quite straightforward in its own way, keyhole style, I was out in and out in about 30 hours. The priority of the surgeon however, is removing the prostate carefully and completely to ensure no material is left behind from which a new growth might start, and second to ensure a good urine function afterwards. Well I can vouch for the second as I now piss like a horse, and leak only very rarely. They do send you home with nappies, which again some might enjoy. So what comes third, the sex function. It’s a fact that many men will be impotent afterwards and or be left with difficulties, which seems to be where I am at the moment, with a penis that must belong to someone else as it is a shrunken thing with few signs of life so far. There is treatment to come though, and at the time of writing it hasn’t started.

 

So I hardly dare to look forwards, although I have corresponded with some nice girls I know, some of whom have clients with the same missing item as I. It’s not all doom and gloom to be sure, and I can dare to think of what would definitely be a resurrection. But at least it’s possible, because of early diagnosis and treatment.

 

So that’s my story so far. And guys over 50 who have no clue what your PSA level is, I suggest that you find out.

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I hope the mods will allow this thread in the main part of the message board and not consign it to the sexual health zone.

 

Shortly before Christmas I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and I had the offending item removed before Christmas. I have made a fair recovery, I am back working, mostly continent, but best of all my blood test result showed me to be cancer free.

 

Once diagnosed I found that first of all everyone seemed to know a guy of around my age or older who had been through the same process, but many more who wanted to know how I got diagnosed in the first place.

 

The start is a blood test, where men over 50 will have their samples routinely tested for Prostate Specific Antigen – PSA. The test cannot be used for screening as there is too much variation, and when I got my first result it was not terribly high and from public domain information it seemed unlikely I would have cancer. The point is not the value itself but whether it is increasing with time more than the population average, and once my GP had a few test results I was referred. The first test could be very skewed because if you have a general blood test, for cholesterol or something, and the PSA gets done because men don’t turn up at the doctor’s very often, and you happened to have had sex in the previous 24 hours the result will be sky-high anyway. So for a serious test, no sex before it!

So referral, and after a period of monitoring the Consultant decided to send me for a biopsy. It’s not that pleasant although some people might enjoy it, as the biopsy samples are obtained by a gadget inserted into the bum. There is then the slightly unpleasant sensation of somebody throwing darts at you from inside. As the prostate is very soft, there is bleeding and the first couple of climaxes afterwards may be tainted with blood, and I abstained for a while to allow healing before checking. Curiously I found the biopsies stimulating and my activity levels went up for a month or so afterwards. And the results were negative. So was the second, where the sampling rate is doubled, and the third, which is done under anaesthetic as they sample the opposite side of the prostate and go in from the front. So I was put under monitoring and eventually sent 6 months later for a fourth, and standard biopsy by the Consultant as my PSA levels continued to rise. Altogether it was more than 2 years from the first blood test to the fourth, where there was a positive diagnosis of a low level cancer.

 

There are always options on such a diagnosis. Had I been 75 I would have been left, but at 60-ish and with slightly restricted urinal flow that the consultant said would eventually require treatment in the same area, I needed to have surgery. There has been a lot in the press about needless surgery, but I was carefully screened and did not qualify for monitoring. Not only that, but national targets dictate that you should have surgery within 4 weeks once diagnosed, and this short period shrunk to only 8 days in my case with Christmas looming.

 

So not much time to organise a farewell tour or something. Luckily I have long since done everything that a frustrated adult might have wished to do in the world of sex, and have had nothing but great times practising my chosen hobby. One or two girls would have wished to have my last load no doubt, but I didn’t have time to organise a charity auction. So I faced the end of my normal adult sex life with resignation but no panic or sadness; after all the idea is to be rid of a life shortening disease, which with any luck I now am.

 

So what next, what will life be like minus prostate? The operation was quite straightforward in its own way, keyhole style, I was out in and out in about 30 hours. The priority of the surgeon however, is removing the prostate carefully and completely to ensure no material is left behind from which a new growth might start, and second to ensure a good urine function afterwards. Well I can vouch for the second as I now piss like a horse, and leak only very rarely. They do send you home with nappies, which again some might enjoy. So what comes third, the sex function. It’s a fact that many men will be impotent afterwards and or be left with difficulties, which seems to be where I am at the moment, with a penis that must belong to someone else as it is a shrunken thing with few signs of life so far. There is treatment to come though, and at the time of writing it hasn’t started.

 

So I hardly dare to look forwards, although I have corresponded with some nice girls I know, some of whom have clients with the same missing item as I. It’s not all doom and gloom to be sure, and I can dare to think of what would definitely be a resurrection. But at least it’s possible, because of early diagnosis and treatment.

 

So that’s my story so far. And guys over 50 who have no clue what your PSA level is, I suggest that you find out.

Good to see you back Panda, and thanks for posting your experience.

 

Hope you are back firing on all 4 cylinders before too long.

 

and yes I do know people who have been through the same as you.  All doing fine :)

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A timely post from Panda and I am sure that I am not alone in wishing him well

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A timely post from Panda and I am sure that I am not alone in wishing him well

Indeed. The main thing is your operation has been successful. All the best in your recovery and hope that you eventually get to carry on where you left off! It's early days yet so good luck.

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So sorry to hear about this Panda.  I did run a thread on this subject a while back because my OH had it too.  There is light at the end of the tunnel love, he is up and running really well if you get my meaning.

 

Take care and hope you have a good recovery.

 

Holly x

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I have numerous clients who have had this issue. I always tell them if they are glum over it when they first come back to bonking that they should look on the bright side…they can have CIM with ALL the girls now…even if the girls dont offer it (once the girl is sure of course that no surprises are going to come flooding out)

 

On a serious note though Panda, Im so very pleased for you that you are completely cancer free xxx

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Best wishes from me too and thank you for the most informative and honest post.

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Thanks for that post OEP. It’s interesting to know how the PSA results were monitored before it was finally decided to employ the knife. I’ve avoided the test so far, mainly as a result of adverse publicity and the recommendation of my GP, but at 67 I have been giving it a rethink of late and your experiences may well spur me into action. Would you care to divulge what your PSA level was at start and by how much it increased over the 2 year monitoring period?

 

Well, I’m glad all went well and hope that your libido does return in due course because it would be a shame not to be able to continue to play the field, but as you say, at least with this hobby we (or most of us!) have managed to experience most of what sex has to offer, and certainly more than the average man on the Clapham omnibus!

 

Please accept my good wishes to add to all the others.

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Thank you for sharing. All the best on your road to recovery Panda. I have pm'd you a special request x

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Thanks for that post OEP. It’s interesting to know how the PSA results were monitored before it was finally decided to employ the knife. I’ve avoided the test so far, mainly as a result of adverse publicity and the recommendation of my GP, but at 67 I have been giving it a rethink of late and your experiences may well spur me into action. Would you care to divulge what your PSA level was at start and by how much it increased over the 2 year monitoring period?

 

Well, I’m glad all went well and hope that your libido does return in due course because it would be a shame not to be able to continue to play the field, but as you say, at least with this hobby we (or most of us!) have managed to experience most of what sex has to offer, and certainly more than the average man on the Clapham omnibus!

 

Please accept my good wishes to add to all the others.

I don't have the data exactly but from memory it was around 5 at the start and 6.5 2 years later. I had a test about 6 years before that was 3 point something and that was high for my age, but there was no referral system in place then. And I had a result in the 20's because no-one said anything about sex affecting the result lol

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Good luck, im on the monitoring watch, and using tamsulosin. which helps you pee, but takes away a bit of the bite at orgasm. Did they not put you through the scanning machine?

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Thanks very much for the post, Panda, and good luck.

If/when this happens to me, I shall simply shift the emphases in my punting routine - much more snogging, cuddling and reverse oral.

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As you mentioned at the beginning, I think this belongs in the Sexual Health section.  Anyway, I was interested to read about your experience as I too am being treated for prostate cancer but in a different way from you.  I don't know why you've had your prostate removed when the cancer was described as 'low level'. I assume this means that the cancer was at stage T1 or, at most, T2. (I'll explain the 4 stages if anyone wants me to). 

My cancer was at stage T3 and the high Gleason score meant it was 'aggressive' (fast growing) and yet I did not have a prostatectomy, nor was it ever an option.  Instead I'm on hormone therapy and I've had high dose brachytherapy followed by a course of external radiotherapy.  The hormone therapy continues for 2 years.

While writing this it has occurred to me that, whereas my treatment comes with side effects that impair my sexual functions, you may eventually get back to normal - I don't know.

As for me, my libido is still there and, with Sildenafil (Viagra, Kamagra etc.) I can get an erection if stimulated but my orgasms are 'dry'.

Something new happened during a punt yesterday.  I could not cum while having sex despite pounding away more vigorously and for much longer than usual.  Normally I have to go slowly to prolong the pleasure  and not cum too soon.  Yesterday I had to stop through sheer exhaustion!  However, the lady was clearly enjoying it more than usual and even seemed close to cumming which has never happened in all the times I've been seeing her.  So maybe this is an upside of my condition, well for the lady at least! 

Someone mentioned that Tamsulosin, which I'm taking, can prevent orgasms so I must find out about this - thanks.

A very useful source of information and advice I have used more than once is: prostatecanceruk.org (0800 074 8383).  Last time I spoke to a specialist nurse she said that a lot of callers are ladies. 

I could go on for ages but I'll leave it there. I'm not very familiar with this site yet and I don't whether we can send PMs but if we can then I'm happy to be of help. 

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Good to know a bit more about this.  All the best - I hope your recovery is quick and you'll be back in action shortly

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My 77 year old dad was diagnosed with Prostate cancer in 2012. After the initial shock, he's doing well and is well in remission.

 

In November 2012 and 2013 I grew a moustache for Movember and raised a decent sum for what is now a subject close to my heart. A few weeks ago, Prostate Cancer UK launched Men United http://menunited.prostatecanceruk.org/

 

We need us guys to receive the same level of service that ladies do over breast cancer screening and this campaign is a huge leap in the right direction.

 

Good luck and best wishes to all guys affected by this disease.

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As you mentioned at the beginning, I think this belongs in the Sexual Health section.  Anyway, I was interested to read about your experience as I too am being treated for prostate cancer but in a different way from you.  I don't know why you've had your prostate removed when the cancer was described as 'low level'. I assume this means that the cancer was at stage T1 or, at most, T2. (I'll explain the 4 stages if anyone wants me to). 

My cancer was at stage T3 and the high Gleason score meant it was 'aggressive' (fast growing) and yet I did not have a prostatectomy, nor was it ever an option.  Instead I'm on hormone therapy and I've had high dose brachytherapy followed by a course of external radiotherapy.  The hormone therapy continues for 2 years.

While writing this it has occurred to me that, whereas my treatment comes with side effects that impair my sexual functions, you may eventually get back to normal - I don't know.

As for me, my libido is still there and, with Sildenafil (Viagra, Kamagra etc.) I can get an erection if stimulated but my orgasms are 'dry'.

Something new happened during a punt yesterday.  I could not cum while having sex despite pounding away more vigorously and for much longer than usual.  Normally I have to go slowly to prolong the pleasure  and not cum too soon.  Yesterday I had to stop through sheer exhaustion!  However, the lady was clearly enjoying it more than usual and even seemed close to cumming which has never happened in all the times I've been seeing her.  So maybe this is an upside of my condition, well for the lady at least! 

Someone mentioned that Tamsulosin, which I'm taking, can prevent orgasms so I must find out about this - thanks.

A very useful source of information and advice I have used more than once is: prostatecanceruk.org (0800 074 8383).  Last time I spoke to a specialist nurse she said that a lot of callers are ladies. 

I could go on for ages but I'll leave it there. I'm not very familiar with this site yet and I don't whether we can send PMs but if we can then I'm happy to be of help. 

 

My partner was at stage T3 and his PSA levels were at 11, also after scans they found evidence of it spreading to the bones in the tops of his legs (which is why he too has had Radiotherapy).  As his prostrate was unusually large, peeing became a real problem, so for quite a while had to self catheterise.  He's a lot better now and is on a permanent dose of Galebon (tamsulosin hydrochloride).  His specialist said he only ever considers surgery in life threatening cases, having said that we have a personal friend that did have surgery in his late 60's a month or so before my partner was diagnosed.  In his case they only took part of the prostrate (not sure how that works), but he's absolutely fine now, not that I've asked about his sexual performance, not sure his wife would be happy about that..lol

 

I suspect that most of the callers to your nurse are worried wives.  It didn't take me long to realise my OH had a problem, going to the loo so many times during the day and also at night is not a normal side effect of aging regardless of what most men seem to think.

 

Just as an aside my OH has been on tamsulin for a while now with no side effects, although one in ten can suffer retrograde ejaculation, disbursing into the bladder making it seem like a dry orgasm.

 

It's worth mentioning that prostrate cancer is normally a very slow growing cancer which is why it's often not picked up until men are in their late 60's and starting to show real symptoms like blood in urine, difficulty in peeing as well the urgency to pee, loss of libido and difficulties in orgasm, if picked up early it's easily treated.  Aggressive Prostrate cancer such as yours and my OH's is extremely rare, but the PSA test is a simple blood test and a good indication of something being wrong so it's wise for anyone to get checked if they are peeing more or having erection problems rather than ignore it until it's too late.

 

Not all men that have enlarged prostrates have cancer either, most are just enlarged through aging,  but not really anything to worry about because medication can put any associated problems right.

 

As the recovery and prognosis for this type of cancer is extremely good I hope both you and Panda stay in remission.

 

Hugs H x

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There are many men that are walking around with high levels of PSA in their system.

 

This doesn't necessary mean that they will develop Prostate Cancer, unless it rises too a dangerously high level.

 

My Father was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer and had to have a Radical Prosectomy. Unfortunately his PSA continued to rise after the operation, and he has had to undergo numerous round of hormone therapy.

 

As of the other week his PSA was around 3.2. But we know that there is no cure for this disease and the next step will involve Chemotherapy.

 

We pray that things continue to last and that's all we can do.

 

I would advise anyone who is over 50, or has a family history of Cancer to go and get checked out.

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Good luck, im on the monitoring watch, and using tamsulosin. which helps you pee, but takes away a bit of the bite at orgasm. Did they not put you through the scanning machine?

Yes i had a scan pre-op to check the prostate was the only source of the cancer. I left out details in the name of brevity

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Tamsulosin doesn't prevent you orgasming, but reduces the intensity, I suppose you could have a shag as long as possible after taking a one, to see if that helped, or stopped taking it for 24 hours.

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Tamsulosin doesn't prevent you orgasming, but reduces the intensity, I suppose you could have a shag as long as possible after taking a one, to see if that helped, or stopped taking it for 24 hours

I spoke to a nurse at prostatecanceruk yesterday and told her that I had not been able to cum the other day. She said that it was nothing to do with my medication and more likely to be psychological. I think this makes sense because I had seen the same wg 2 weeks before and we didn't progress to full sex, just cim.  So this time, although I got really hard, maybe I was trying too hard instead of relaxing. 

The nurse said I was doing really well by continuing to have a sex life taking into account my age (late 60's!) & my treatment. I wondered whether things might get worse over time but she said the opposite was more likely.

I mentioned that I thought my penis might be shrinking which is a recognised side effect of the treatment and she recommended a vacuum pump which I can get on prescription. She said it would help restore the length but not make it longer than it was before - shame! I'm seeing a GP next week about getting a pump. 

She also confirmed what I had been told previously that masturbation is good for the penis. I think it's to do with getting blood into the spongey tissue.

Regarding orgasms feeling less intense, I have not been told by the specialists or read anywhere that Tamsulosin is the cause. My understanding is that it simply goes with the dry orgasms which result from hormone therapy and/or radiotherapy. 

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If you look on the side effects page of the tamsulosin box, it mentions the possible effects on your ejaculation, I used to manage the occasional involuntary groan/gasp, but since tamsulosin its a timid squirt. Just my experience. Tamsulosin is the only treatment ive ever been on.

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I hope the mods will allow this thread in the main part of the message board and not consign it to the sexual health zone.

 

Shortly before Christmas I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and I had the offending item removed before Christmas. I have made a fair recovery, I am back working, mostly continent, but best of all my blood test result showed me to be cancer free.

 

Once diagnosed I found that first of all everyone seemed to know a guy of around my age or older who had been through the same process, but many more who wanted to know how I got diagnosed in the first place.

 

The start is a blood test, where men over 50 will have their samples routinely tested for Prostate Specific Antigen – PSA. The test cannot be used for screening as there is too much variation, and when I got my first result it was not terribly high and from public domain information it seemed unlikely I would have cancer. The point is not the value itself but whether it is increasing with time more than the population average, and once my GP had a few test results I was referred. The first test could be very skewed because if you have a general blood test, for cholesterol or something, and the PSA gets done because men don’t turn up at the doctor’s very often, and you happened to have had sex in the previous 24 hours the result will be sky-high anyway. So for a serious test, no sex before it!

So referral, and after a period of monitoring the Consultant decided to send me for a biopsy. It’s not that pleasant although some people might enjoy it, as the biopsy samples are obtained by a gadget inserted into the bum. There is then the slightly unpleasant sensation of somebody throwing darts at you from inside. As the prostate is very soft, there is bleeding and the first couple of climaxes afterwards may be tainted with blood, and I abstained for a while to allow healing before checking. Curiously I found the biopsies stimulating and my activity levels went up for a month or so afterwards. And the results were negative. So was the second, where the sampling rate is doubled, and the third, which is done under anaesthetic as they sample the opposite side of the prostate and go in from the front. So I was put under monitoring and eventually sent 6 months later for a fourth, and standard biopsy by the Consultant as my PSA levels continued to rise. Altogether it was more than 2 years from the first blood test to the fourth, where there was a positive diagnosis of a low level cancer.

 

There are always options on such a diagnosis. Had I been 75 I would have been left, but at 60-ish and with slightly restricted urinal flow that the consultant said would eventually require treatment in the same area, I needed to have surgery. There has been a lot in the press about needless surgery, but I was carefully screened and did not qualify for monitoring. Not only that, but national targets dictate that you should have surgery within 4 weeks once diagnosed, and this short period shrunk to only 8 days in my case with Christmas looming.

 

So not much time to organise a farewell tour or something. Luckily I have long since done everything that a frustrated adult might have wished to do in the world of sex, and have had nothing but great times practising my chosen hobby. One or two girls would have wished to have my last load no doubt, but I didn’t have time to organise a charity auction. So I faced the end of my normal adult sex life with resignation but no panic or sadness; after all the idea is to be rid of a life shortening disease, which with any luck I now am.

 

So what next, what will life be like minus prostate? The operation was quite straightforward in its own way, keyhole style, I was out in and out in about 30 hours. The priority of the surgeon however, is removing the prostate carefully and completely to ensure no material is left behind from which a new growth might start, and second to ensure a good urine function afterwards. Well I can vouch for the second as I now piss like a horse, and leak only very rarely. They do send you home with nappies, which again some might enjoy. So what comes third, the sex function. It’s a fact that many men will be impotent afterwards and or be left with difficulties, which seems to be where I am at the moment, with a penis that must belong to someone else as it is a shrunken thing with few signs of life so far. There is treatment to come though, and at the time of writing it hasn’t started.

 

So I hardly dare to look forwards, although I have corresponded with some nice girls I know, some of whom have clients with the same missing item as I. It’s not all doom and gloom to be sure, and I can dare to think of what would definitely be a resurrection. But at least it’s possible, because of early diagnosis and treatment.

 

So that’s my story so far. And guys over 50 who have no clue what your PSA level is, I suggest that you find out.

OEP, I am pleased this was not shunted into the sexual health section as I would probably have missed it.

 

It is very noble of you to write about your experience as a warning or help to others. 

 

Having met a lady on a holiday trip to India who had lost her husband the year before to prostate cancer my wife insisted I had a test when we got back home. 

 

It was all clear but that was probably 3 years ago so I need to think about having it done again, especially as I am fast approaching 60.

 

I sincerely hope you have a speedy recovery and that things improve soon with the functionality

 

Might I suggest that a visit to Anna in Wigan, before she retires, might be good therapy. Or if you cannot get that far, I am sure Sadie in Swadlingcote would be happy to give you a helping hand if she knows what has happened.

 

Very best regards,

 

David

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A terrible dilema for any chap.

I am 49 - have a weak urine flow if I get up to the toilet at night - during the day it's fine. Just been online to check it out and it's not that uncommon and not associated with PC.

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Cheers panda man very interesting read, glad to hear your on the mend.

Stay strong and positive.

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