Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
YourSlave

If Anyone's Interested, Amnesty Int. Are Answering Qs About Their Policy Over At

19 posts in this topic

...over at bumsnet mumsnet.

 

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/a1986689-Live-webchat-with-Amnesty-International-Tuesday-4th-Feb-11-12pm

 

They disabled registrations for the moment to stop people signing up to hijack their Q and A session but you might be interested in having a read.

 

Just my 2c but wouldn't it make more sense for Amnesty to do a Q and A with a site such as ours where they can be asked Qs by people who are actually involved in the industry?

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think Amnesty should see it as an either or option.

 

They could do a Q and A on Mumsnet and Punternet. 

 

It would be interesting to compare how the two threads developed.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think most of the bumsnetters are getting the responses they wanted. As one user put it:

 

 

Mitchy1nge Tue 04-Feb-14 12:00:27

I can't believe quite how shit the answers are!

 

 

Yeah that's real nice. A member of Amnesty agreeing to come answer Qs for 2 hours and then to be told that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As a result of the stuff I've read on Mumsnet I've joined Amnesty International.

 

The number of antis will be high, because they can.

 

Many ordinary men cannot speak up on this subject because they are customers and to out themselves is impossible.

 

Many women who are sex workers do not want to draw attention.

 

For this reason we will never hear the true story.

Edited by Strawberry
5 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 Here are a couple of answers I picked out I was impressed with.

 

 

Amnesty believes that any human trafficking, including into forced prostitution or any other non-consensual sex, should be criminalised as a matter of international law. Traffickers should be prosecuted, and those who have been trafficked should be protected.

 

Amnesty are very clear, anyone involved in rape should be prosecuted.

 

 

 

Amnesty's stance on trafficking and rape.

 

 

 

"which sex worker organisations did you work with to write the leaked policy?"


The draft policy (not final) was written by at our global research HQ. We consulted a range of organisations, this includes groups across Africa, Latin America and Asia. This contains dozens of sex worker groups and dozen more women's rights groups who work at international, regional and domestic level.

 

Amnesty reveal they have consulted a range of organisatons over a number of continents. So it wasn't just the IUSW they consulted with.

 

 

We don't work with pimps for financial gain or for any other reason. One of the many brilliant things about AI is that our members pay their subs and that pays for our human rights work.

So here in the UK 225,000 pay their subs and that gives us huge independence which we guard very jealousy. Our motivation is completely about how we as Amnesty can best protect the human rights of some incredibly vulnerable women and men around the world.

 

When asked if they work with pimps for financial gain. They don't work with pimps for any reason and they get plenty funding via subs.

 

 

""Those representing sex workers" - you mean pimps?"

 

 

No. I mean those working as sex workers. This is difficult. Across the globe Amnesty is able to talk to sex workers directly and we are engaged in this at the moment. Here in the UK we're finalising our approach as we speak.

 

Again they deny working with pimps and say they work with sex workers.

 

 

 

"'Would be really interested to know if Amnesty believes that consent can be bought?'"

I guess at the heart of this question is 'does a sex worker have a choice?' I agree that in an imperfect world many women end up in sex work as an economic last resort, as Amnesty, we're not judging and are open to the thought that some others may have chosen this freely. Our consultation is now about the best way to protect the human rights of those who for whatever reason are sex workers.

 

 

Despite answers such as these, one user remarks Kate "gave an utterly cowardly performance".

 

 

FairPhyllis Tue 04-Feb-14 12:00:59

Well Kate you have given an utterly cowardly performance here but I expect you know that anyway.

Edited by YourSlave

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But keep in mind Amnesty are in early stages of their policy. They aren't set on anything and they haven't ruled out anything as of yet.

 

If you are on Twitter have a look at and post on hashtag #QuestionsForAmnesty

 

Let everyone know what you think :)

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As a result of the stuff I've read on Mumsnet I've joined Amnesty International.

 

The number of antis will be high, because they can.

 

Many ordinary men cannot speak up on this subject because they are customers and to out themselves is impossible.

 

Many women who are sex workers do not want to draw attention.

 

For this reason we will never hear the true story.

Sadly spot on. Only a relatively small minority are prepared to put themselves on the line publicly, Laura Lee being one on here to her great credit in my view. Same with the prostitutes collective, they are vocal and do what they can as do some punters including some on here, again to their great credit.

 

This perfectly understandable reluctance of many WGs and punters suits the antis down to the ground of course, they can spew their lies and agendas as they wish with little comeback. While this is the case and with at least some of the media anti in their reporting as you say we will never hear the true story. Harridan and her ilk will quite happily make up what furthers their agendas using guesses not proven factual information. Shame on them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The rape analogy is very poor, in the eyes of the law the consent doesn't take into account the payment, it stands alone which is why when clients dupe sex workers or steal the money back, or refuse to pay after a service is delivered it is not on a par with out and out rape. Rape is when someone does not want to have sex with the other person, for money, love or anything else. A consensual sex worker will have sex with clients under the terms of a business contract. Now if that person doesn't want to be a prostitute ie isn't willing to offer a service she is then in my eyes being forced and whoever is forcing her is in the wrong. If she has made a difficult decision based on wanting to keep her head above water, pay bills, support herself then I respect that decision very much. 

 

Most men do not want to hurt, abuse or rape and that goes for 90 odd percent of punters, yet Mumsnet and many others think we need to be protected from them.

 

Interesting thing is that these punters they want us to be protected against, are lilkely to be one or the other of their partners, fathers and sons.

 

It's an insult to men.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sadly spot on. Only a relatively small minority are prepared to put themselves on the line publicly, Laura Lee being one on here to her great credit in my view. Same with the prostitutes collective, they are vocal and do what they can as do some punters including some on here, again to their great credit.

 

This perfectly understandable reluctance of many WGs and punters suits the antis down to the ground of course, they can spew their lies and agendas as they wish with little comeback. While this is the case and with at least some of the media anti in their reporting as you say we will never hear the true story. Harridan and her ilk will quite happily make up what furthers their agendas using guesses not proven factual information. Shame on them.

We can argue within out working names. Just because we dont want out identities made public doesnt mean we cannot publicly debate. We can debate on two levels, our working persona and our real selves. There is no excuse really, all the ladies on twitter posting titty pictures all day long, its just as easy to pop out a few support tweets for the organisations that are fighting for us or to uphold our rights in between the cleavage shots. It might not achieve much but at least they know we know of their support. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think most of the bumsnetters are getting the responses they wanted. As one user put it:

 

 

Yeah that's real nice. A member of Amnesty agreeing to come answer Qs for 2 hours and then to be told that.

More proof that antis and mumstwatters would by happy only with yes people. It must be harsh realising they are now the all powerful media presence that they think they are. Just a bunch of mums, bit like half the escorts, just a bunch of mums 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We can argue within out working names. Just because we dont want out identities made public doesnt mean we cannot publicly debate. We can debate on two levels, our working persona and our real selves. There is no excuse really, all the ladies on twitter posting titty pictures all day long, its just as easy to pop out a few support tweets for the organisations that are fighting for us or to uphold our rights in between the cleavage shots. It might not achieve much but at least they know we know of their support.

Done!x

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Done!x

Well done ^_^ xxx Have to say their forum is a bit quiet though  :blink:. Where are all these women tweeting away their disgust, why are they not all on the AI forum discussing and airing their views? Guess its because the public won't see their outrage, silly tarts. x

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What I want to know is why when I read the that twitter feed are the only men on there the anti men??? I have see ONE positive comment on our side by a man. Come on guys ffs wake up…you are all over the internet searching for escorts to book but you are not all over twitter defending us or yourselves?? Punters need to have their say..they need to show that they are a normal intelligent bunch of guys and not the neandathol sadists that these antis are attempting to make you out to be. Reasonable and intelligent argument is the best way to show you are not the monsters you are being made out to be. Please dont come on here and say its for security reasons, you dont want the wife to find out, you dont want to leave a digital footprint as you manage to get on punternet and adult work just fine. 

 

I have to say I am greatly disappointed at the lack of real punter response on that feed. Its all women defending amnestys decision. 

 

Why is this ,please can a guy give me an honest answer?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From previous experience with Hagsnet, you'll never get rational discussion from there.

While I'm sure the majority of members there are just mums looking to give or ask for advice there's a huge core of rabid outspoken ignorant people there who seem to have the idea that simply by being a mother they have some sort of right to tell the world how to think.

Proven by their deciding to close new registrations on their forum for this webchat. Yes, it would stop the few idiots who would try to derail the conversation but more importantly it restricts anyone coming along who might have a different point of view.

There's simply no point in trying to reason with them. Whenever they get a 'cause' to get on board with the forum starts to go into a hive mentality, but with a competitive edge. Each person trying to out-righteousness the last one in a competition to see who can show the most outrage. It's a classic Elevenerife situation.

The truly pathetic thing is that as a Borg Collective in conjunction with the spineless vote grabbing of politicians jumping on the mumsvote bandwagon, these narrow minded people really do believe they have power to decide on the moral path of this country.

It'd be interesting to wonder how many of their husbands are punters, simply to get away from them!

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From previous experience with Hagsnet, you'll never get rational discussion from there.

While I'm sure the majority of members there are just mums looking to give or ask for advice there's a huge core of rabid outspoken ignorant people there who seem to have the idea that simply by being a mother they have some sort of right to tell the world how to think.

Proven by their deciding to close new registrations on their forum for this webchat. Yes, it would stop the few idiots who would try to derail the conversation but more importantly it restricts anyone coming along who might have a different point of view.

There's simply no point in trying to reason with them. Whenever they get a 'cause' to get on board with the forum starts to go into a hive mentality, but with a competitive edge. Each person trying to out-righteousness the last one in a competition to see who can show the most outrage. It's a classic Elevenerife situation.

The truly pathetic thing is that as a Borg Collective in conjunction with the spineless vote grabbing of politicians jumping on the mumsvote bandwagon, these narrow minded people really do believe they have power to decide on the moral path of this country.

It'd be interesting to wonder how many of their husbands are punters, simply to get away from them!

I wonder how many guys on here will admit their wives use mums net. Im on there, several other of the ladies from here are members there x

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've posted a few things in support of Amnesty's position on the #QuestionsforAmnesty Twitter hashtag. Unfortunately they quickly get lost amongst all the penis pictures/Farley stats and all the usual stuff the antis post over and over.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I suspect a lot of mumsnet users (and users on the feminist board especially) don't even have kids. I bet a lot of single and childless women use it because they like the fact it has a dominantly female userbase. Despite the fact its slogan is "for parents by parents" men and fathers aren't exactly welcomed with open arms.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've posted a few things in support of Amnesty's position on the #QuestionsforAmnesty Twitter hashtag. Unfortunately they quickly get lost amongst all the penis pictures/Farley stats and all the usual stuff the antis post over and over.

Thankyou though still xx

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0