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A Swedish Cop Talks About Enforcing The "swedish Model"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6O4xzzTqSU

 

10 mins long. Worth a watch.

 

First they find escorts just like clients do by finding online profiles with Google, then they find the escorts address- he doesn't say how but I'm guessing a male cop calls the number posing as a client and makes a false booking to trick the escort into parting with her address.

 

Then the police drive to the building and spend some time watching it for males going in, and any male going in is arrested when he comes out as a potential suspect of buying sex and has his cell phone taken and examined.

 

Evidence includes text messages which mention payment for sex, payment for sex conversations overheard by the police or "sexual noises" overheard by police.

 

If there is evidence the suspect is offered the choice of paying a fine or going to trial (most choose to just pay the fine).

 

So there are some tips if the nordic model is ever implemented in this country- don't mention payment or sex in your SMS messages (or phone call) to the escort, delete your SMS messages as soon as you read them, keep your "oh yes baby yes!" or whatever noises you like to make to a minimum- perhaps keeping the window closed and play music to cover up the sounds so some pervy cop standing outside trying to listen doesn't hear you.

 

I wonder just how much police time and resources all this takes up? Sounds like a lot.

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I used to admire Sweden for its progressive society, but that is nearly all in the past now :(   Substitute the country name "Iran" for Sweden into this ridiculous policing of moral behaviour between consenting adults and it would read pretty much the same

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'Listening for sexual sounds'   and 'watching outside an apartment block'   sound like some draconian 1940's measures people took in order to prove infidelity in divorce cases. 

 

By all means stop trafficking, sexual slavery and the like but for goodness sake keep what consenting adults do in private - private.

 

How much more invasion of privacy are we going to accept ?

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"In Sweden, prostitution is officially acknowledged as a form of

male sexual violence against women and children." (http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/pdf/EkbergVAW.pdf)

 

Once you start from that position it becomes a whole different ballgame and the Swedish legislation has to be viewed frøm that perspective.

 

As we go on our civilised "sms arranged" date with an English girl working in the day and hobbying at night, excercising her right to "fuck" whoever she wants to and for whatever reason, there are ten girls who are not being given that choice. The original Swedish legislation even protected men who paid the same girl on a regular basis, but I believe that has or will change. The law also includes anyone who helps the purchase of sex so apart from escort agencies I would assume review/listing sites like this one. C69, UK Punting, Eros etc could fall foul of any proposed UK legislation. Meanwhile someone needs to explain to me why there are still a plethora of Swedish escort sites/agencies.

 

Since our UK political class has been reduced to employee status with a need to pass legislation to convince their constituencies that they need to be re-elected (coz they need the job), a version of this legislation is inevitable in the UK so I just we all "Make Lay Whilst The Sunshines".

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"In Sweden, prostitution is officially acknowledged as a form of

male sexual violence against women and children." (http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/pdf/EkbergVAW.pdf)

 

Once you start from that position it becomes a whole different ballgame and the Swedish legislation has to be viewed frøm that perspective.

 

As we go on our civilised "sms arranged" date with an English girl working in the day and hobbying at night, excercising her right to "fuck" whoever she wants to and for whatever reason, there are ten girls who are not being given that choice. The original Swedish legislation even protected men who paid the same girl on a regular basis, but I believe that has or will change. The law also includes anyone who helps the purchase of sex so apart from escort agencies I would assume review/listing sites like this one. C69, UK Punting, Eros etc could fall foul of any proposed UK legislation. Meanwhile someone needs to explain to me why there are still a plethora of Swedish escort sites/agencies.

 

Since our UK political class has been reduced to employee status with a need to pass legislation to convince their constituencies that they need to be re-elected (coz they need the job), a version of this legislation is inevitable in the UK so I just we all "Make Lay Whilst The Sunshines".

I wouldn't be so sure, most recent polls seem to indicate that the UK on the whole would be broadly tolerant of a legalised form of prostitution. Also there would be huge logistical difficulties with implementing a similar law here, given that there estimated to be currently 80,000 people working in the UK sex trade (compared to about 2,500 in Sweden), how could it possibly work?? Apart from a few kerb crawlers being picked up and massage parlours raided, a few fines handed out (all for PR purposes of course) do the UK police force really have the time and resources to be hanging around outside an escorts premises like a bunch of pervy old men, instead of going after real criminals?? I can just see indignant pieces in the Daily Mail et al about police loitering around in the bushes for punters while asylum seekers, drug dealers and paedophiles roam the streets.

Police resources are currently way over stretched as it is, and implementation of the Swedish model here would have the potential to backfire massively on the police and politicians. Don't forget also the implications on human rights and civil liberties here. I can't honestly see it being enacted here, except maybe in a massively watered down form.

If Sweden hadn't made such an international song and dance about how their model was the definitive solution for the world to emulate, then they wouldn't be reduced to pathetic gimmicks like this.

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If they view all prostitutes as victims of violence, and are so concerned then why are they not 'rescuing' and helping them instead of pansying around outside trying to gain flimsy evidence of whoever is paying them for sex?

 

Doesn't sound right to me.

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Suspect that if it ever was, God forbid, introduced over here the police would need to provide a greater level of proof. For example they would need to show that money changed hands and that a sex act took place. It would probably need a raid. For all they know if the lady I went to see had a piano I might have visited for piano lessons.

 

Public telephones will probably be in demand again - now that brings back memories!

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I wouldn't be so sure, most recent polls seem to indicate that the UK on the whole would be broadly tolerant of a legalised form of prostitution.

 

I agree that the public are ambivalent to sex for money but, as with the last Harriet Harman "adjustments" the "movement"  will "Trojan Horse" legislation up as an anti traffiKing/female violence agenda and no one would dare to object to that

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Suspect that if it ever was, God forbid, introduced over here the police would need to provide a greater level of proof. For example they would need to show that money changed hands and that a sex act took place. It would probably need a raid. For all they know if the lady I went to see had a piano I might have visited for piano lessons.

 

Public telephones will probably be in demand again - now that brings back memories!

That's probably why the conviction rate in so low in Sweden, lack of proof

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I agree that the public are ambivalent to sex for money but, as with the last Harriet Harman "adjustments" the "movement"  will "Trojan Horse" legislation up as an anti traffiKing/female violence agenda and no one would dare to object to that

But that only resulted in the provision of buying from someone subjected to force or coercion being criminalised, Harman wanted it applied to all buyers. The bill would never pass without being severely compromised.

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If they view all prostitutes as victims of violence, and are so concerned then why are they not 'rescuing' and helping them instead of pansying around outside trying to gain flimsy evidence of whoever is paying them for sex?

 

His speech focused on arresting buyers but from elsewhere we've seen sexworkers in Sweden who come to the attention of the police generally end up losing their home (even if they own it), lose their children because they are seen as unfit parents or deported. And if 2 of more sexworkers work together in Sweden they are *still* charged with the crime of running a brothel. The Swedish PR people trying to sell the model to other countries won't tell you this, but the Swedish sexworkers will (on the first link below read the quote by Carina Edlund).

 

In fact Sweden is so quick to deport immigrant sexworkers they are booted out of Sweden even if they were in the process of receiving treatment for injuries and weren't yet finished their treatment (see 2nd link).

 

http://lauraslifeandthoughts.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/sex-workers-response-stop.html

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tv2.no%2Fa%2F5453397

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given that there estimated to be currently 80,000 people working in the UK sex trade (compared to about 2,500 in Sweden)

 

A good point that's often overlooked (and I would guess there is well over 80k sexworkers in the UK).

 

The countries that use the nordic model (Sweden, Norway, Iceland) are all small . For example the city of Glasgow has about the same population as the entire country of Iceland! If implementing the model in small sparsely-populated countries isn't exactly a huge success how does anyone expect a country massive in comparison (France, Germany, England etc) with massive densely-populated cities etc is going to manage implementing it?

 

 

Suspect that if it ever was, God forbid, introduced over here the police would need to provide a greater level of proof. For example they would need to show that money changed hands and that a sex act took place. It would probably need a raid.

 

An idea might be for the client and escort at the start of the meeting to come up with a story at the start of their meeting together which they would stick to and tell the cops in the event they were raided and taken away and questioned separately.

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... As we go on our civilised "sms arranged" date with an English girl working in the day and hobbying at night, excercising her right to "fuck" whoever she wants to and for whatever reason, there are ten girls who are not being given that choice.

 

 What do you mean here? 10:1 ratio of trafficked girls to non-trafficked?! Assume not, as despite all the media hype, the UK police actually found only a handful of trafficked girls when they went looking.

If you mean WGs who take punters they are only fucking for the money, well, this is generally the case, but they certainly have a choice, even if it comes down to using food banks instead for survival. Blokes out of work are not generally "given that choice" (making a living out of sex with strangers).

 

It was only because of Harriet Harman that I ever heard of punternet and thanks to her that WGs I found through this site have benefitted from my "donations".
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

 

 

The UK's biggest ever investigation of sex trafficking failed to find a single person who had forced anybody into prostitution in spite of hundreds of raids on sex workers in a six-month campaign by government departments, specialist agencies and every police force in the country.

 

And abroad:

 

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/dutch-threat/

 

 

Thanks to their efforts [of antis who claimed 90% of sexworkers in Holland were trafficked] a massive police raid in search of “trafficking victims” was launched in April 2011 and found…none.  Not a single blessed one, despite the detention and interrogation of 157 women.

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In Norway the police has outsourced law enforcement:

 

For instance, in the controversial “Operation Homeless” [Operasjon Husløs], police in Oslo have targeted Hotels and landlords of women in prostitution and threatened with pimping charges unless they ensure that prostitution ceases to take place in the apartments they let.

 

Prostitute dare not report
Fafo researcher believes that the fear of being homeless scares the prostitute from reporting severe violence.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrk.no%2Fostlandssendingen%2Fprostituerte-tor-ikke-anmelde-vold-1.11091620&edit-text=

 

Section 202 of the Norwegian General Civil Penal Code: “The Pimping Law”
“Anyone who
a) promotes the engagement of other persons in prostitution, or
lets premises on the understanding that such premises shall be used for prostitution or is grossly negligent in this respect
shall be liable to fines or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.”

 

Sweden has an identical law:

 

Swedish Penal Code
Chapter 6: On Sexual Crimes

A person who, holding the right to the use of premises, grants the right to use
them to another in the knowledge that the premises are wholly or to a substantial extent
used for casual sexual relations for payment and omits to do what can reasonably be
expected to terminate the granted right, he or she shall, if the activity continues or is
resumed at the premises, be considered to have promoted the activity and shall be
sentenced in accordance with the first, paragraph. (Law 1998:393)

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Does a divorce settlement, where children are not involved, count as payment for sexual services? Does giving money, or gifts of any kind, to a romantic partner partially count as payment for sexual services?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6O4xzzTqSU

 

10 mins long. Worth a watch.

 

First they find escorts just like clients do by finding online profiles with Google, then they find the escorts address- he doesn't say how but I'm guessing a male cop calls the number posing as a client and makes a false booking to trick the escort into parting with her address.

 

Then the police drive to the building and spend some time watching it for males going in, and any male going in is arrested when he comes out as a potential suspect of buying sex and has his cell phone taken and examined.

 

Evidence includes text messages which mention payment for sex, payment for sex conversations overheard by the police or "sexual noises" overheard by police.

 

If there is evidence the suspect is offered the choice of paying a fine or going to trial (most choose to just pay the fine).

 

So there are some tips if the nordic model is ever implemented in this country- don't mention payment or sex in your SMS messages (or phone call) to the escort, delete your SMS messages as soon as you read them, keep your "oh yes baby yes!" or whatever noises you like to make to a minimum- perhaps keeping the window closed and play music to cover up the sounds so some pervy cop standing outside trying to listen doesn't hear you.

 

I wonder just how much police time and resources all this takes up? Sounds like a lot.

Not Nordic, but Swedish and  Norwegian.....they are ott with political correctness

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