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Hello all

 

Firstly I can't believe I let my common sense slip and allowed myself to get into this situation, I'm normally far more sensible, but here goes.

 

I've been a long time user of this site and AW over the years and have spent time with some wonderful escorts during this time. However this all changed at the weekend when I arranged to spend some time with an escort near me. We seemed to have a lot in common so it should have been all good. However (and here's where my common sense went out the window) whilst we were arranging what time etc she said she wanted a deposit by bank transfer (to ward off no shows apparently) and the rest when we met at hers. I did think it odd, but as I've not had any issues with escorts in the past and she was a cam girl as well I could understand where she was coming from even if I should have ran a mile at this point.

 

Instead I thought to save myself some time and make a good impression I'd just transfer the lot instead. All good so far, so fast forward to a bit later after we've chatted some more and I've got ready etc. I make my way over to hers and there's her phone goes straight to voicemail. Sent a few texts, emailed her on AW and tried calling a few times over the course of half an hour so returned home. Tried calling at regular intervals for the next few hours but still straight to voicemail. Then got a text later that night asking if I was still going to see her and why was I not answering? I obviously had received no calls and definitely had signal and no phone issues as I spoke to other people in between (I can take more than one call at once on my phone as well so would still have received her call while I was on the phone).

 

I then let stupidity take over again and we discussed meeting up later that night. She felt bad about the mix up so offered me a discounted price on an extra hour but again wanted a deposit, so another transfer was made. Long story short, no meeting again and now no response to my calls, texts or emails even though she is still active on AW.

 

So there we go a prime example of how not to do things! I am fully aware of my stupidity so not looking for people to confirm this to me lol, however just wondering where I now stand with things.

 

I went to my bank this morning and as I expected they can't do anything for me as I willingly transferred them the money so it's not fraud from their stance. They suggested I report it to my local police station. Which brings me here, having done a little reading I can't work out if I'm going to get myself prosecuted when I go and report it to them. I believe I am OK as I was paying an independent escort for her time and at no point did either of us mention sex. Just want to make sure of where I stand before I do anything else.

 

Also any other advice from people for how to try and recover my money, or is that pretty much a lost cause at this point?

 

I also can't decide on naming and shaming at the moment as I am friendly with a few other escorts and know some of them keep tabs on these forums and don't want to jeopardise my chances of being able to take any kind of action. However I wouldn't want her to be able to scam someone else as well (clearly she has done this before and knows where she stands in regards to the law).

 

Any help or suggestions appreciated

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My understanding is nothing illegal took place, so you can report to the Police without any fear. However I am not sure if they will consider it a priority and I doubt they will help much to resolve the issue. I would imagine the best thing to do is to chalk it up to experience and move on.

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Name and Shame is the least that you can do! You owe it to all decent punters and any ladies in the area who might be tarred by locality.

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I am sorry to hear of your misfortune.

 

Name and shame : it may help other punters. Write it off to experience as the police will be most unlikely to do anything meaningful. Move on and learn from it.

 

There are plenty of nice girls out there who will not ask for a deposit.

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I am sorry to hear of your misfortune.

 

Name and shame : it may help other punters. Write it off to experience as the police will be most unlikely to do anything meaningful. Move on and learn from it.

 

There are plenty of nice girls out there who will not ask for a deposit.

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You will probably find the police very sympathetic and non-judgemental.  If you can prove that she has obtained money from you under false pretences, they may take action.  If not, if you know her identity, issue summons in the small claims court (Money Claim Online). It will cost you about £50.  If nothing else, unless she defends,  she will get a CCJ against her name which has the potential to cause her problems.

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You will probably find the police very sympathetic and non-judgemental.

They'll probably also say that it's a civil matter and recommend that he goes to see a solicitor or the CAB. If they're anything like the police where I live they may well also say: "That's what happens if you see prostitutes", and then have a good laugh amongst themselves once he's left the station.

The police are stretched as it is. Most forces don't have the time and resources to waste on matters like this.

 

If not, if you know her identity, issue summons in the small claims court...

....and the first thing that the District Judge is going to point out is that an immoral contract is unenforceable in law.

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1. you have lost your money.  There is no way of getting it back (Plod will say its civil and a civil court wont enforce an immoral contract).  But if her AW profile is still there leave her feedback saying what happened..  Keep an eye out for a new profile for her and repeat.

 

2. remember the second law of punting. Never part with the brass till you are in the bedroom.

 

(First rule is price is no indication of quality)

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Paying an independent working of her own free will for sex is not illegal in the UK.

 

Only time it is illegal is if she's being forced/trafficked/coerced or you are both doing business on the street.

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Paying an independent working of her own free will for sex is not illegal in the UK.

 

Only time it is illegal is if she's being forced/trafficked/coerced or you are both doing business on the street.

paying a parlour girl is legal in the UK.  The only people breaking the law are the parlour management.  Girl and punter are doing nothing illegal  (unless she is forced/trafficked/coerced)

 

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)A makes or promises payment for the sexual services of a prostitute ( B )

(b)a third person © has engaged in exploitative conduct of a kind likely to induce or encourage B to provide the sexual services for which A has made or promised payment, and

©C engaged in that conduct for or in the expectation of gain for C or another person (apart from A or B ).

(2)The following are irrelevant—

(a)where in the world the sexual services are to be provided and whether those services are provided,

(b)whether A is, or ought to be, aware that C has engaged in exploitative conduct.

(3)C engages in exploitative conduct if—

(a)C uses force, threats (whether or not relating to violence) or any other form of coercion, or

(b)C practises any form of deception.

(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale

 

 

sexual offences act 2003 section 53a

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/53A

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1. Name and shame - this should not concern genuine girls

2. Post FR - you have paid so please do so

3. Learn! (not intended in nasty way)

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I had a feeling that this was where I stood, just wanted to confirm it I guess.

 

I lost £200 all in all, not a fortune, but not pocket change either really.

 

Can't seem to post a link to her profile, but it's wild-kinky-mistress on adult work and she's currently in the Bristol area also doing cam shows on AW

 

I would dearly love to leave a FR and feedback for her, but being a numpty I didn't set up a booking request either GRRR

 

Still lesson learned, and I've ended up having a rather good day today so far which would not have happened otherwise, so every cloud and all that I guess =)

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I had a feeling that this was where I stood, just wanted to confirm it I guess.

 

I lost £200 all in all, not a fortune, but not pocket change either really.

 

Can't seem to post a link to her profile, but it's wild-kinky-mistress on adult work and she's currently in the Bristol area also doing cam shows on AW

 

I would dearly love to leave a FR and feedback for her, but being a numpty I didn't set up a booking request either GRRR

 

Still lesson learned, and I've ended up having a rather good day today so far which would not have happened otherwise, so every cloud and all that I guess =)

 

 

This woman registered on Adultwork less than a month ago - she has no feedback except one man who liked her profile.  She could be using the same scam on dozens of punters.  You will have no name to pursue and the sole contact has been by mobile (no doubt pay as you go).  You have a bank account sort code, account number and name but I'm guessing they may be fraudulent as well.  Send a complaint to adultwork - they will, hopefully, delete the identity.   In the case mentioned by Silverado above, the woman did at least turn up, grab the money and run - she had multiple identities on AW.  In your case the woman didn't even have to bother with that!  

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I know, I feel like such a tool, I'm normally pretty careful about this sort of thing, but it's quite rare to find someone who shares some of my interests and I guess common sense flew out the window.

 

I kind of knew as soon as contact went dead that was it and I basically had no comeback, but I thought it best to get an idea first as the law is fairly unclear.

 

The only reason I thought of reporting it was because I thought they might be more interested in the fraud side of things, wishful thinking I guess.

 

Hey ho, like I say just got home from having a rather random Tuesday adventure which more than makes up for it. Just as long as I can make it harder for her to scam someone else then I'm happy really.

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One further point.  All fraud has now been "outsourced" to one body Action Fraud as in the attached link.  Your local police nowadays will merely ask you to report anyone to this organisation.

 

http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/home 

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 You have a bank account sort code, account number and name but I'm guessing they may be fraudulent as well.

 

If it was a bank transfer through CHAPS/BACS/FPS then those details can't be false.

 

If it was via Worstern Union or MoneyScam or one of the other money transfer services beloved by scammers then write it off.  Anyone who asks for money to be transferred by those or similar methods should be regarded with the deepest of suspicion and contempt.

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If it was a bank transfer through CHAPS/BACS/FPS then those details can't be false.

 

If it was via Worstern Union or MoneyScam or one of the other money transfer services beloved by scammers then write it off.  Anyone who asks for money to be transferred by those or similar methods should be regarded with the deepest of suspicion and contempt.

 

I can assure you that I've seen substantial numbers of bank accounts where the identity of the account holder was false.   

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Don't be so patronising.  I'm not stupid, I have probably forgotten more about banking than you will ever know. 

 

I am aware that the a/c name can be whatever the a/c holder requests, but the sort code and account number have to match otherwise the transfer cannot go through, and at the time of setting up the a/c, the bank will have gone through a verification process to establish the identity of the a/c holder/s.   There is therefore an audit trail, albeit one cumbersome to follow.

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Don't be so patronising.  I'm not stupid, I have probably forgotten more about banking than you will ever know. 

 

I am aware that the a/c name can be whatever the a/c holder requests, but the sort code and account number have to match otherwise the transfer cannot go through, and at the time of setting up the a/c, the bank will have gone through a verification process to establish the identity of the a/c holder/s.   There is therefore an audit trail, albeit one cumbersome to follow.

 

I am sure you have and didn't wish to be patronising.  My experience is dealing with cases where the verification process failed.  

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Transferring money before you have met up is a gamble I would never take.

 

 

Never part with the brass till you are in the bedroom.

 

Wise words.

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Surely this is gaining money by deception though as the woman did it twice so has followed a pattern of deception. Once then its unprovable but twice does display that pattern. Would this not cancel out the moral contract issue? If this woman has done it to others then they may have reported her too

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I know, I feel like such a tool, I'm normally pretty careful about this sort of thing, but it's quite rare to find someone who shares some of my interests and I guess common sense flew out the window.

 

I kind of knew as soon as contact went dead that was it and I basically had no comeback, but I thought it best to get an idea first as the law is fairly unclear.

 

The only reason I thought of reporting it was because I thought they might be more interested in the fraud side of things, wishful thinking I guess.

 

Hey ho, like I say just got home from having a rather random Tuesday adventure which more than makes up for it. Just as long as I can make it harder for her to scam someone else then I'm happy really.

 

You could do an FR on here? Lots of men use these to check out an escort. It might prevent it happening to someone else. 

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Please submit a review on this site to help others. Thanks.

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